I believe the reverse is true. People like Jobs never need people like Woz and without Jobs Woz might not be recognized at all.
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'Unicorn Hunters' Show Starring Steve Wozniak and Lance Bass Seeks TV Distribution
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Around that time, Wozniak designed a low-cost digital ”blue box” to generate the necessary tones to manipulate the telephone network, allowing free long-distance calls. Jobs decided then to sell them and split the profit with Wozniak. […] Jobs later reflected that had it not been for Wozniak's blue boxes, "there wouldn't have been an Apple". He states it showed them that they could take on large companies and beat them.
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In February 1974, Jobs returned to his parents' home in Los Altos and began looking for a job. He was soon hired by Atari, Inc. in Los Gatos, California, which gave him a job as a technician. Back in 1973, Steve Wozniak designed his own version of the classic video game Pong and gave the board to Jobs. According to Wozniak, Atari only hired Jobs because he took the board down to the company, and they thought that he had built it himself.
In February 1974, Jobs returned to his parents' home in Los Altos and began looking for a job. He was soon hired by Atari, Inc. in Los Gatos, California, which gave him a job as a technician. Back in 1973, Steve Wozniak designed his own version of the classic video game Pong and gave the board to Jobs. According to Wozniak, Atari only hired Jobs because he took the board down to the company, and they thought that he had built it himself.
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In mid-1975, after returning to Atari, Jobs was assigned to create a circuit board for the arcade video game Breakout. According to Bushnell, Atari offered US$100 for each TTL chip that was eliminated in the machine. Jobs had little specialized knowledge of circuit board design and made a deal with Wozniak to split the fee evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Much to the amazement of Atari engineers, Wozniak reduced the TTL count to 46, a design so tight that it was impossible to reproduce on an assembly line. According to Wozniak, Jobs told him that Atari gave them only $700 (instead of the $5,000 paid out), and that Wozniak's share was thus $350.
In mid-1975, after returning to Atari, Jobs was assigned to create a circuit board for the arcade video game Breakout. According to Bushnell, Atari offered US$100 for each TTL chip that was eliminated in the machine. Jobs had little specialized knowledge of circuit board design and made a deal with Wozniak to split the fee evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Much to the amazement of Atari engineers, Wozniak reduced the TTL count to 46, a design so tight that it was impossible to reproduce on an assembly line. According to Wozniak, Jobs told him that Atari gave them only $700 (instead of the $5,000 paid out), and that Wozniak's share was thus $350.
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By March 1976, Wozniak completed the basic design of the Apple I computer and showed it to Jobs, who suggested that they sell it; Wozniak was at first skeptical of the idea but later agreed. In April of that same year, Jobs, Wozniak, and administrative overseer Ronald Wayne founded Apple Computer Company.
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In April 1977, Jobs and Wozniak introduced the Apple II at the West Coast Computer Faire. It is the first consumer product to have been sold by Apple Computer. Primarily designed by Wozniak, Jobs oversaw the development of its unusual case and Rod Holt developed the unique power supply.
In April 1977, Jobs and Wozniak introduced the Apple II at the West Coast Computer Faire. It is the first consumer product to have been sold by Apple Computer. Primarily designed by Wozniak, Jobs oversaw the development of its unusual case and Rod Holt developed the unique power supply.
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Once he joined the original Macintosh team, Jobs took over the project after Wozniak had experienced a traumatic airplane accident and temporarily left the company.
Once he joined the original Macintosh team, Jobs took over the project after Wozniak had experienced a traumatic airplane accident and temporarily left the company.
Woz was Jobs’ meal ticket all along. I know this whole cult has formed around Saint Jobs, and he clearly had remarkable abilities, but I’m not sure we’d ever have seen it if Woz wasn’t there.
Then Woz took his fortune and taught elementary school for a decade.
Give the man the respect he’s due.
The most important one is always the one with vision. Woz just made what Jobs approved. Without Woz Jobs would find somebody else to do it, like he did with Macintosh. Without Jobs Woz would be nothing, as proven post Jobs Apple.
Yes, Woz was a competent engineer but Apple wouldn't be Apple without Jobs. There's a reason Jobs died being a leader of the most influential tech company in the world and Woz participate in a TV show that couldn't find distribution.
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Well that sounds pretty appropriate for the US. So caught up in the fantasy of unlimited wealth and power its entire focus is on fluffing up big business while the rest of the country rots in the gutter.
He has just spent that last 5 years promoting scams, there was even a Wozniak coin that was a total pump n dump and now he wonders why scammers keep using his name. If he had sense he would have dropped the dumb Apple II and supported Jobs and Raskin‘s Macintosh vision. That would have kept Jobs at Apple and Macs would have already be running OS X around 5-6 years earlier than 2001.
Also Jef Raskin And Andy Hertzfeld. Jobs was the glue that brought their best ideas together.
It was the burn down charts, he would receive emails (or bulletin message or whatever was at that time) about the project’s current burn rate and the ideal rate with the two projected diverging slopes increasing in gap with warning signs and skull emoticons all over the place.
“Here, let me show you, if you just did 37 instead of 20 fixes a day our projects would arrive on time… quite the easy fix right?” -The Manager Of The Year.
Sidenote, I’m cracking up at all the comments here today from the MR crowd 😂
Dorsey on the biggest loser would be a really good move, if the show were not focused on weight loss but on personality and moral worth.
Jobs had certain talents, that he shared with 1000s of others in that same period.
Some of them ran small companies other never amounted to anything.
The only reason why we know about Jobs (or Woz for that matter) is "survivor bias" as there is simple no reason to know anything bout the countless other "Steves" that just didn't make it.
Some of them ran small companies other never amounted to anything.
The only reason why we know about Jobs (or Woz for that matter) is "survivor bias" as there is simple no reason to know anything bout the countless other "Steves" that just didn't make it.
Hold up - is this satire?
He will be as remembered as one of the greatest mathematicians and philosophers to ever live, Aristotle?
He will be as remembered as the inventor of Calculus, Newton?
He will be as remembered as the popularizer of electricity and inventor of the lightbulb, Edison?
The guy made two very good computers and made lots of money before leaving a company. Let’s not let rhetoric get the best of us. This show looks terrible and is a strange take for a guy who, by all accounts, cannot stomach stuff like this.
Without Woz, Jobs lost his company and spent a decade in the wilderness. NeXT wasn't a juggernaut of the computer industry, it was on the verge of failing.
Do you think Jobs would have found the people he did for the Mac if Apple didn’t already have the reputation it did based on Woz’s earlier work? If the ongoing profits of Woz's earlier work didn't make it possible to afford the failure of Job's Lisa and all of his delays to Macintosh? The Mac team idolized Woz.
In each case I presented above, Woz created what Woz wanted to create and Jobs found a way to exploit it. Blue box, Pong, Breakout, Apple I, Apple II.
There's no doubt Jobs had charisma, but you're seriously underselling Woz's contributions.
"Horrific" is the word that came to (my) mind.
Oh he didn't contribute much to society, he just popularized a little thing called the personal computer. This had 0 affect on humanity as you can see/s
Woz was the one actually building the Apple machines. No Woz, no Apple, no iPod, no Macintosh, no iPhone, no iOS, no iPad. If you do not know about it already, I suggest you read on how important Wozniak to computers history you know back in the 70s when people didn't know how to type on a keyboard and still didn't own a VCR. Wozniak's first Apple I machine created a revolution in computer history.
Absolutely. Woz was the genius that Made it Go and did brilliant things. His importance cannot be understated, without Woz there would be no Apple I, Apple ][ (which supported the whole company while the III and Lisa lost money and the Mac took a long time to get traction), no 5.25" floppy drives (massive improvement over cassette tape). There would be no Apple without him.
Having said that, Steve Jobs & his reality distortion field made it come together and hit it out of the stratosphere. Without Jobs' Woz would likely still be sitting in some sub-sub-basement at HP writing printer drivers, instead of dancing with the stars on a Segway and appearing in this fabulous new show which will surely win.
Having lived through it from the Apple ][ years as a little kid, it's been a long and strange journey, in the olden days Jobs' was still wearing robes and sandals and not taking showers because he was oscillating at a higher vibrational range that didn't require it, then there were the Armani and Brioni years, and eventually that morphed into, "I'd like 10,000 pairs of exactly the same jeans, New Balance sneakers, black turtleneck, and Robert Marc glasses."
I really miss Steve Jobs, he was brilliant, crazy and really did want to change the world and make a dent in the universe. I forgive him his obsession with getting rid of slots since we at least have the Cheesegraters back again.
NeXT was brilliant. I loved sitting in front of one in the 1980's and contrasting the experience to the Mac and Microsoft's glorious pre-Windows '95 efforts; it was like a computer from 15-20 years in the future. No it did not set the world on fire because of the ridiculous prices required for entry, and NeXT was a nearly-bankrupt company that burnt through $4billion+ of investors money to finally arrive at an acquisition price of $400mil from another nearly-bankrupt company (Apple) to purchase them, and essentially have NeXT do a reverse-takeover of Apple, and begin the greatest second act in the history of business.
You realize that you become an "accredited investor" by just filling out the forms and stating that you qualify and that's pretty much the very low bar to having the opportunity to participate in private placements wherein the 2nd-3rd page(s) tend to summarize, "nothing at all, ever, is our fault. Everything in this entire deck may in fact be one gigantic collection of typos comprised of hype, nonsense, wishful thinking and completely unrealistic pro-formas, invest only if you like gambling."
Congratulations, you can now lose money with the "pros." -- I know of nobody in the real world who has ever been denied "accredited investor" status, inclusive of 20something year olds who have never made $60K per annum -- you just state that you are so that they're legally covered, and if you're really not, and lose your life savings, they're not liable for you lying about it.
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What most people don't understand is that Wozniak's "career" peaked during his stint at Dancing With the Stars.
Of course he will. People like SJ would find something extraordinary to do. It's like saying Elon Musk or Bozo couldn't do anything extraordinary if they don't get money from PayPal or Amazon. Guys like this will always find a way.
Woz on the other hand have already prove in real life that he has no clue at all post-Apple II. Of course Woz contributed to the start of Apple but to say, and I quote, that "It’s very likely there’d be no Steve Jobs if there’d been no Steve Wozniak." is just very silly. People who's a leader and born with vision will always lead.