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Failure on BOTH Apple's and Sony's parts.

I can list several reasons, why BluRay is not as popular as it is supposed to be. Apple not adapting it is not a major issue, I think. After all, with around ten percent of the computer market, Mac users can claim more of a sentimental or prestige value, if you like, than real market force. With recent shambles about the FireWire, you might get the impression that even Apple is not giving a toss about its most dedicated core users, design and media professionals. I'm sure that some will see this point differently, but that's how I feel.

I remember, in between 2001 and 2004 I spent a large chunk of my money on DVD's. Now I think it was rather pathetic to spend an absolute fortune just to have a hardly watched collection. It was an obsession and now I see that it was at least as much about owning a particular format than appreciating the films themselves. It's too expensive to show off and it's a burden to have when it comes to moving, adapting new technology and so on. For me, with DVDs came small size and digital technology over the chunky, heavy, grainy and unsophisticated VHS. It was on a known format of some kind - CDs have been widely available from the mid-eighties - but with a new trick - they could play films, extras, trailers, with the ability to skip scenes and changing sound or subtitle configuration. At that time, in this context, DVD WAS the future as it was a huge improvement on the available mainstream technology of the time.

I also believe, that the popularity of the DVD format explains the current struggle behind the popularity of BluRay. Choosing the CD size disc was a mistake. Suddenly, people do not see it as a major development on the standard DVD. The term of 'HD-DVD' hardly helped, at least Sony recognised the power of naming devices. No wonder that Toshiba is not associated with any brand that come close to Walkman, PlayStation, Vaio or even BluRay.

Furthermore, BluRay and HD quality only makes sense if you have at least an HD-ready TV set. Even then, the sound system should be upgraded to have full benefit of the technology. Perhaps those, who kept in pace with the 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, etc. game, got tired or are again, not a major driving force. Ordinary people do not want to spend an absolute fortune for the full HD sound experience. I can imagine that most of them do not even use their home cinema sound systems some of the times. VHS could not do DTS, DD 5.1, but DVDs can. And it seems, that is enough for most of us.

What I think is a generally understated reason behind the failure of BluRay is the players' ability to upscale DVDs. Here, in the UK BluRay players start at around £150. For £50, you can get a very good upscaling DVD player from the same manufacturer. Suddenly, the biggest practical and widely needed benefit of a dedicated BR player can be had for third of the price? Of course, it devalues the whole BR institution. I never wanted a BR player. But I really wanted an upscaling DVD player and I would just wait to see, whether broadband internet becomes a reality for most of us.

Another important but regularly overlooked reason is the lack of high speed internet and the pricing of storage devices. Frankly, Sony's biggest hope is that Telecom providers stick to the good old and dead telephone cables, rather than upgrading to optical technology. At the moment, 25GB is an awful lot to download. Our monthly allowance would not be enough for two films. That is pathetic. Add the average price of 100 USD for a TB external drive that can store 40 films and it is obvious that HD download is not for the masses. Not even in the US, letting alone emerging markets.

So my conclusion would be that neither BluRay or HD digital download is worth worrying about at the moment. In a few years' time, you might regret that you caught up with a new technology that is actually not that groundbreaking at all. If you take my advice, you stick to the DVD-ish quality and enjoy the films for their artistic value rather than getting lost in an expensive format struggle.

Yes, I can imagine that in a few years time BR will be more popular and still around. But it will be a lot cheaper too. It is annoying, that Apple is arrogant enough not even to offer the possibility of a BR drive on its computers. Having said that, I remember that I hardly used the optional DVD writer on my white MacBook. It seems, Apple made it a tradition to lag behind the competition, when it comes to optical drives.

Don't worry, though! Nobody expects high specs from a computer that is not overpriced at all, not crippled by an Apple-tax and comparable to any PC product in price! If they offered a BR drive in an Apple portable, than apart from the fancy case and trackpad, what would distinguish the hardware from a PC?

So, nice try Sony, I get the logic. If Apple did not put BR on its Macs, Sony put Apple on its BR. But at the moment it only highlights the desperation of Sony and the confusion and arrogance of Apple.
 
Please, it's "Blu-ray" and "BD".

Is that all, you can reply about that post?! At least you could say that you agree or disagree about certain things.

From now on, I shall call it Green Wing! So we will know, what I'm making pulp from my hands for.
 
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This sounds like it will be neat. Maybe it will get me to start using Blu-Ray Live.
 
cute... :)
 

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With an iPhone shuffle you shouldn't have to pick the app at all, or pick who to phone. It should pick those for you. And people will be annoyed if it is truly random, since it might call the same person twice in a row.
 
Fixed.

Blu-Ray is such a waste of time and money IMHO. The days of disk storage are about as antiquated as 8-track media entertainment (again, IMHO). I'll keep my flash memory and HD / SSDs, thanks. The picture quality on HD media is nice, but not worth the premium, IMHO.

It is worth every bit of the premium you mention. On my 65 inch DLP a 720p iTunes rental looks like complete garbage next to a full 1080p blu-ray
 
It is worth every bit of the premium you mention. On my 65 inch DLP a 720p iTunes rental looks like complete garbage next to a full 1080p blu-ray
I don't doubt that at all. But from Apple's perspective you probably represent about .01% of consumers (remember, Apple is heading to the mainstream), therefore it is not a priority for them.Anecdotally, I have a lot of very tech-savvy friends with the money to buy gadgets. They all have big screen televisions, but I only know I think 3 to 4 of them who have a Blu-Ray player, and in each of those cases it's only because they happen to have a PS3, which they bought primarily for the games. I don't know a single person who owns a standalone Blu-Ray player.
 
Blue Ray is HORSE HOCKEY !!!

Jeez,,,, I really hate pixel pushers.
Now integrate my iPhone with something useful like a microchip implanted into a monkey brain controlled by my iPhone and some kind of point system for number of 7/11's robbed with a cyborg monkey.........:) :) :)

........And then say : "yeah, there's an APP for that!"

...........hey when do I get to be a member and have my picture up?
 
Wake me up in 2013 when the 1TB Blu-ray disks exist and contain Super Hi-Vision programming.

i will stay awake with my 1080p 7.1 stereo 50GB BR discs now.

I don't doubt that at all. But from Apple's perspective you probably represent about .01% of consumers (remember, Apple is heading to the mainstream), therefore it is not a priority for them.Anecdotally, I have a lot of very tech-savvy friends with the money to buy gadgets. They all have big screen televisions, but I only know I think 3 to 4 of them who have a Blu-Ray player, and in each of those cases it's only because they happen to have a PS3, which they bought primarily for the games. I don't know a single person who owns a standalone Blu-Ray player.

i dobut he is the 1% of the population, anyone with a HD TV above 40" would be insulted by the garbage that apple calls HD
 
It is worth every bit of the premium you mention. On my 65 inch DLP a 720p iTunes rental looks like complete garbage next to a full 1080p blu-ray

Granted. However, I'm not terribly surprised. Now you WOULD surprise me if you could name 5 other people you know who own a 65" television and Blu-Ray player. :cool:
 
A sly dig at Apple, to try and get them to adopt Blu-Ray on Macs..?

I had two of my Mac customers buy 16" Sony Vaios with Blu-ray players last week. $799. Which, coincidently, is the price of the first Blu-ray player I sold three years ago. :D
 
Granted. However, I'm not terribly surprised. Now you WOULD surprise me if you could name 5 other people you know who own a 65" television and Blu-Ray player. :cool:

I have 5 other people who would *like* to have a 65" TV and Blu-Ray Player :D

And for all the "Apple should support Blu-Ray" folks. I think next refresh might be the time, at least on the condition that they are stuck using Core 2's for one reason or another. That will at least soften the Media and MacRumors Forum backlash ;)
 
Here's a "feature" that could be done far better on a website or on iTunes download, being deployed through a weird combination of disc, and device, and software, specific labrynth of BS.

How about an alternative method. Log in, buy the content on iTunes for an insignificant additional fee, and bypass the BS.

Rocketman
 
Here's a "feature" that could be done far better on a website or on iTunes download, being deployed through a weird combination of disc, and device, and software, specific labrynth of BS.

How about an alternative method. Log in, buy the content on iTunes for an insignificant additional fee, and bypass the BS.

Rocketman

" insignificant additional fee " /////////// ????????????? huh?

am I the only one that finds that offensive on 3 different levels?

I'll give you a free iPhone mirror for an "insignificant additional fee "....(number 1 free app:D)

and don't get all hissy, I agree with the rest of your JIBB
 
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