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University Researchers Who Built a CSAM Scanning System Urge Apple to Not Use the 'Dangerous' Technology
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so if a parent takes a picture or video of their kid playing in the bath tub that could flag them a kiddie prn producers?
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I can't help but think that this is some kind of thing that Apple is doing for the DOJ so the DOJ stays off of Apple's back.
Why else would they implement something so ridiculously bad?
Why else would they implement something so ridiculously bad?
What a disastrous change since Apple 's iconic Super Bowl ad ..
From this
to this
From this
Did you read any of the multiple stories on MR about how it works?
They do. Apple scans your mail and iCloud on warrant / subpeona request in the US.
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In the iCloud Apple owned the keys. On your device you do.
We keep wishing that Apple inside E2EE in the cloud but at three request off the US has not.
Might want too fact check your statement.
LEO does all the time with warrants. btw - Apple does this with your Mail also.
Thought you might want to know.
It amazes me how folks can get it so wrong. Try looking back at the San Bernadio incident and see why Apple was successful at holding off the FBI in court. A Company cannot be compelled to create a back door. This, as designed according to Apple, can be leveraged as a back door. Apple lost that “argument” if they go live with this.
Doesn’t work that way. The comparison pictures are in a federally controlled database.
The problem is that there is no such thing as a system that can't be hacked, exploited or has a non-zero chance of a false positive. If a bad actor could find out how to ensure a false positive and upload enough false positive content to an innocent person's iPhone/iCloud to trigger the threshold, get that person reported to the authorities and effectively ruin their life because of the way law enforcement and our society responds to even the slightest accusation in this area.
I've seen this happen. While this has nothing to do with Apple's tech directly, but it is a pretty clear example of the damage a wrongful accusation can bring: While I was in college, I worked for the local government access TV station in my city. Guy that worked for the water department used to come in and use one of the Macs for editing. One of his co-workers at the WD thought it would be funny to add a bunch of porn to the flash drive of photos he was using for one of his video projects. One day he had someone from the mayor's office in the edit bay with him and they started clicking going through the folder of photos. Apparently, many of the images were very age play-oriented and the age of some of the performers was not immediately apparent. The lady from the mayor's office freaked the f out, made a scene, took the flash drive right to a friend at the PD and within 12 hours all hell had descended on this poor guy, 32, with an 18mo kid at home. The co-workers admitted the "prank" a few days later and the suspected photos turned out to be fine, but they still took 3 weeks to search every piece of electronic media he owned. By that time he had quit out of embarrassment and was having to move his fiance and daughter back in from his in-laws' house.
I've seen this happen. While this has nothing to do with Apple's tech directly, but it is a pretty clear example of the damage a wrongful accusation can bring: While I was in college, I worked for the local government access TV station in my city. Guy that worked for the water department used to come in and use one of the Macs for editing. One of his co-workers at the WD thought it would be funny to add a bunch of porn to the flash drive of photos he was using for one of his video projects. One day he had someone from the mayor's office in the edit bay with him and they started clicking going through the folder of photos. Apparently, many of the images were very age play-oriented and the age of some of the performers was not immediately apparent. The lady from the mayor's office freaked the f out, made a scene, took the flash drive right to a friend at the PD and within 12 hours all hell had descended on this poor guy, 32, with an 18mo kid at home. The co-workers admitted the "prank" a few days later and the suspected photos turned out to be fine, but they still took 3 weeks to search every piece of electronic media he owned. By that time he had quit out of embarrassment and was having to move his fiance and daughter back in from his in-laws' house.
Such a shame.
But then google scan our emails, facebook scan everything and block posts that doesn't fit with their views, youtube block media outlets that dont publish articles they like, NSA scan and record everything, Government's the world over monitor and record the citizens internet browsing habits.
So now Apple decide to start scanning our photos. Next will be our emails, our messages, our data and our telephone calls.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
But then google scan our emails, facebook scan everything and block posts that doesn't fit with their views, youtube block media outlets that dont publish articles they like, NSA scan and record everything, Government's the world over monitor and record the citizens internet browsing habits.
So now Apple decide to start scanning our photos. Next will be our emails, our messages, our data and our telephone calls.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Apple is already scanning emails
How Apple ‘Intercepts’ And Reads Emails When It Finds Child Abuse
For the first time, Apple’s methods of reading emails containing potentially illegal material are revealed. The company is proving a lot more helpful to the U.S. government than previously thought.
www.forbes.com
And not just for images.
Hollywood whodunit: What’s eating emails in iCloud?
A reader in show biz discovers Apple is sending his PDFs to email hell -- all because of the phrase 'barely legal teens'
www.infoworld.com
So if Apple is already scanning PDF attachments for words that may indicate you’re talking about illegal pornography, why should I believe they won’t extend their spyware scheme beyond images?
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After iPhone 3G, I went a decade on iPad (& then mini) with a cellular plan and Skype number. I've saved enough thousands to pay for a car. And, I get no spam calls, and people don't bother me with texts bc I tell everybody skype doesn't text worth $&!#, because it doesn't. It's great. This summer some busybody in my life convinced me to put service back on an iPhone 6 I inherited, and while I appreciate that it's safe from iOS15 Spyware, I can't understand why anyone likes phones. The screens are too small and the service sucks and is needlessly expensive. For the birds, this entire endeavor.
Okay, I admit I remain highly sceptical about the furor over this issue and think concerns are overblown. But there is no “win” in this for Apple at this point.
Before everyone celebrates this probable Pyrrhic victory keep in mind this technology is used online by almost every other service provider. If the threat is real it is still present even if Apple does back down.
If you feel Apple was wrong from the start then you better disable facial recognition, time-and-date stamps, even Lidar, on all of your Apple devices because if you believe Apple could be coerced into exploiting this new technology then why would they not give up all of the rest? And then where is safe?
So with this we will all be potentially safer. Well, except people who share child pornography, they will definitely be safer. Hmmm…
Before everyone celebrates this probable Pyrrhic victory keep in mind this technology is used online by almost every other service provider. If the threat is real it is still present even if Apple does back down.
If you feel Apple was wrong from the start then you better disable facial recognition, time-and-date stamps, even Lidar, on all of your Apple devices because if you believe Apple could be coerced into exploiting this new technology then why would they not give up all of the rest? And then where is safe?
So with this we will all be potentially safer. Well, except people who share child pornography, they will definitely be safer. Hmmm…
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This argument you are using had been beat to death. Oranges and Avocados.
Other services do it cloud side while Apple wants to do it client side.
Kindly show me any of these that are used to report you to the authorities.
Why am I even surprised. Tim, *never* say privacy again. Tell everyone what you do and why, and base your business on that.Apple is already scanning emails
How Apple ‘Intercepts’ And Reads Emails When It Finds Child Abuse
For the first time, Apple’s methods of reading emails containing potentially illegal material are revealed. The company is proving a lot more helpful to the U.S. government than previously thought.
And not just for images.
Hollywood whodunit: What’s eating emails in iCloud?
A reader in show biz discovers Apple is sending his PDFs to email hell -- all because of the phrase 'barely legal teens'
So if Apple is already scanning PDF attachments for words that may indicate you’re talking about illegal pornography, why should I believe they won’t extend their spyware scheme beyond images?
The more I dug into this to understand Apple‘s position, the worse it got.
I started off with, “Okay, they must be doing the right thing; they’ve just explained it badly.“
Where am I now? Dumping iCloud and cancelling future underHisEyePhone purchase.
Well, that’s just it, isn’t it? Google is a privacy dumpster fire … but they don’t lie about it.
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No need to suck so hard on those sour grapes; Apple isn’t going to change their position. They’ve already burned their privacy reputation to the ground, so they either double down, or die on the hill.
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“… And the prize for ‘the worst metaphors crammed into a single paragraph‘ goes to …”
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Not ideal.
I get the worry and “potential future implementation of expanded use fears“ which are valid.
honestly reports like this, from respected ppl in their fields, I’d granted FAR too much worth without reading carefully the words being used and their meaning.
COULD /= WILL or SHOULD. There words have different meanings for a real good reason, yet so many are jumping on this bandwagon and inferring like it’s gospel or like a conspiracy theory (a conundrum of words and meanings to begin with).
WeChat headquarters is IN China and operates under Chinese laws according. Should their eXecutives not want to follow would face fines and charges etc if denying China‘s ruling body/regimes weighted hand. USA companies are not under such scrutiny. They can bow out! Take the fine and choose to ignore doing business therein. If I may another certain company was exiled almost completely globally and it really hurt that company but they’re not like what they used to be I terms of prominence outside of China like they used to be. Collectively all outsized companies could collaborate to exit for change and cause an implosion of technology policies which can only grow so far where changes in policy to work in a global commerce will and must change. Only coordinated will this work regardless of money power incentivizing confusing deals/business.
PS: IM Im referencing China due to the example of WeChat social media/etc app used here in direct context, this is NO WAY is a view into lie/dislike in a personal level, I’m neutral here and in my personal view of this nation.
just because Google, Facebook and Twitter were FINED doesn’t mean they were forced to comply or did. Notice no specific mention of compliance with those companies was stated?! Specific words and their meanings ppl.
it’s actions NOT taking that would be taken to heart here !
Google, Facebook and Twitter in this report did NOT comply. They were fined according within.. that’s it so if THEY didn’t do it why is this increasing fear towards if Apple will!?.?! Where is the source of this?!
whom is to gain buy pointing to Apple could or would comply, based on just being fined for the co petting companies!?!
NEEDS to paid attention to here.
is a change in how implemented by Apple yes. Should Apple dismantle this or abandoned is up for debate.
however JUST cause researches test solution had zthem worried doesn’t mean Apples IMO,emendation is the EXACT same to be implemented.
lamens terms. Your life long spouse has a huge crush on Jason Momoa or one of the Kardashian girls. They’d love to meet them. Said theyre incredibly attractive. Does it followed theyd cheat on you if giving the chance?! Not likely as attraction is skin deep only. They STILL have a choice to act or not! Regardless of how much they fantasized about the idea which comes to shove that is the key.
Ultimately has it been example add this magnitude for Apple can actually complied and bent??