You have far more knowledge of ‘what’s happening with device code’ if you choose to look, than you will ever ever have on the code that is running on a remote server. This is a clear fact. It’s not an opinion, misguided or otherwise.
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University Researchers Who Built a CSAM Scanning System Urge Apple to Not Use the 'Dangerous' Technology
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Exactly! Anyone can look at the code. All you need is a trillion dollars to buy up 50%+ of the company.
Oh but they do. They have read the FAQ so no longer ignorant. The FAQ education.
I can't look at OS code running and understand what's happening, especially if it's obfuscated in some way, which is VERY easy to do. I don't know about you, but I can't read machine code on something that's running, and there's no built in debugger to see things in a more meaningful way. (as if a debugger would be enough...) And no, you are stating absolutely no facts.
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As) I have stated previously, I support server side scanning -- it's their hardware to do and it does ***NOT*** have access to everything on my phone like a local scanner does, only what my phone syncs with iCloud, iMessage, email...
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This has nothing to do with CSAM. Apple finally caved into government pressure to put a backdoor on the iPhone. Now Apple has access to your photos and messages without your knowledge. We're just supposed to take their word for it that they're only using the access to compare hashes to CSAM
Though they present established credentials does that have meaning again? I would like to think so. In this particular case however they write with hyperbole and drama not typical of scientific commentary. Shrugs. People like to trot out the experts when convenient, but in the end, get a 1000 PhDs together, you will get a 1000 opinions. I am not talking out of turn, I have one myself. It's like the Bible, you can always find a quote to support your position. Its not what one person says, but what most people are saying. Anyway, technology can rarely be turned back. We can complain, but we should prepare to deal with it.
I see the usual 3-4 apple shills/apologisits/pr team members are working over time in this thread again. Somehow they know more then everyone else.
I don't trust these so-called experts either. Look at how wrong they were about this covid thing! Turned out to be a minor flu!
Don’t you think, instead of publicly announcing an overly complicated privacy orientated single use scanning system, they would secretly just change the code for the more robust os scanning systems already in place, like spotlight? It’s would be far easier, far more effective and far more clandestine.
What a beautiful mind you have. I almost lost my self in your sophisticated Applelogism. Bible? Phd? 1000 opinions?
How is your investment in Apple going? Good? Bad? Perfect? Stay on course. Huge profit is coming your way.
Most of rationally thinking people prepared them selves in this week filed with "screeching voices of minority". They are moving out of Apple ecosystem in record pace, suddenly they realized that privacy is ones responsibility. I never imagined that day will come where my business is running Linux in the office on Apple hardware, but here we are.
I have never seen Apple loyal users entertain the idea of the flip phone so hard.
I have never seen Apple loyal users asking the question: How to backup locally, and which NAS to purchase?
This is not 1000 opinions, it is more suicide by 1000 cuts.
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I’m not saying this function is going to allow the hacker access. What I’m saying is this function can create the motivation for this type of hack to happen. I’ve never been hacked. I try really hard not to click on/open anything I’m not sure of the source on.
I’m just saying that a hacker knowing that if they do get access to someone’s device that they can upload, or even threaten to upload, images that are going to be automatically flagged and reviewed can create an opportunity for them to more easily threaten someone and get a payout.
To be honest I’m not sure this creates any more incentive. Child abuse is always able to be used in such a scam. It’s extremely hard to remotely hack an iPhone, and even the so called Pegasus attacks are way out of the range of regular hackers. Maybe an uptick of opportunist messages or emails that have no power other than words, phishing type stuff.
Whew!
Let's discuss how this might happen and what the motivation of the hacker might be.
First, the hacker would need to be in possession of an exact photograph that's a member of the child porn database, a federal crime by itself. How would a hacker obtain that exact photo to begin with?
Second, the hacker would need to be in possession of your phone and know your password in order to transfer that photo to your phone's photo library. What scenario would permit that occurring? If a hacker had possession of your phone, he could create all sorts of mischief getting you in trouble with law enforcement; such as sending threatening emails to people or even the President. That's just one of an huge array of illegal things a hacker could do if he had possession of your phone and login password. Are you worried about the plethora of threats you face right now, today, if a hacker should obtain your phone and login password and was motivated to cause you grief? Are you losing sleep over those>
Third, about that hacker threatening to upload illegal photos for a "payout," ie, money... Simply contact law enforcement and report that you are being extorted. Extortion is a federal crime. That's what you would do today if a hacker contacted you and threatened to do something illegal for the purpose of extorting a payout. Again, that's a crime - simply report it.
Apple is currently betting that you (and most other customers) won't be done.
I expect Apple to stick to their guns and have their legion of fans defend Apple... which won't be too difficult since they've already been trained to believe that "Google is evil". Because, even if Apple continues with this, Google is still evil (in their minds). In essence, Apple might dabble in "evil", but Google is downright irredeemably evil.
They‘ll stick to their guns because no one likes to feel duped.
And we have been duped.
Same for me. Im a long time iPhone user since the beginning of the iPhone era but this fall I think that will change.
Perfectly good disagree button right there, as you see. Plus whatever you’re linking to is not a link.
You have no idea how this has saddened me
Up until two weeks ago I was in Apple ecosystem nirvana. Because I trusted Apple I had done things that, a few years ago, I would have told myself was just nuts. Everything shared/backed-up to iCloud. Financial integration. Home automation. Health and fitness. Entertainment. Hardly anything in my life was untouched by Apple. My wife couldn't believe some of the stuff I was doing. I was even very close to putting HomePods in the house at one point.Now I'm looking at myself and saying "What the hell were you thinking?" as I slowly disentangle myself from all that.
Just sold my iPhone 12 for £560 and got £72 back for my remaining AppleCare.
Selling all this **** actually made me realise how much of my time and money I had burned on a few conveniences and marketing.
Thanks Apple for pissing me off enough to jump through hoops to a better life.
Selling all this **** actually made me realise how much of my time and money I had burned on a few conveniences and marketing.
Thanks Apple for pissing me off enough to jump through hoops to a better life.