Brutal mess by Apple. It's insulting to say that you're saving money by not putting them in there. These devices are gonna be used for the next 3 to 5 years on some people. I don't see why they missed putting Wi-Fi seven in them.
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Unlike iPhone 16 Models, Apple's M4 Macs Lack Wi-Fi 7 Support
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JippaLippa
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I wonder how many of those chastising Apple have their laptops plugged into a hub or other cords and dongles most of the time?
I wonder how many end users actually have a WiFi 7-capable router? It generally takes years for routers to be upgraded.
I wonder how many end users have an internet connection capable of supporting the full bandwidth offered by WiFi 7?
When it comes to networking, there are many, many factors involved, not just the edge connection. Chances are that Apple has done this research and determined that most users would not be taking advantage of the more expensive WiFi 7 capabilities, and those that need it are often plugging in a hub that has an Ethernet connection.
Not the end of the world for things like this. 99% of users likely wouldn't notice the difference. WiFi 7 is very new.
Apple listened to what customers wanted. Just like they always do.
The article is wrong about MLO as it stands today with WiFi 7 enabled Apple devices. Apple's WiFi 7 chipset on the phones supports MLO but only in MLSR/EMLSR mode. There is no bandwidth aggregation across bands, only seamless/high-speed switching between the bands. This is because there's only one radio and one antenna array.
I'm disappointed in the lack of WiFi 7 on the M4 Pros -- I was hoping to not only see it added but to see full MLMR MLO support and maybe even the return of 3x3.
I'm disappointed in the lack of WiFi 7 on the M4 Pros -- I was hoping to not only see it added but to see full MLMR MLO support and maybe even the return of 3x3.
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macrumors 65816
I just think it's really unfortunate that Apple's lineup has such inconsistencies. Really wish they'd stick to rolling out an entire standard across the board. Also wish they'd roll out all the M series updates, rather than having some devices stuck on two-generation old hardware.
CrysisDeu
macrumors 65816
WannaGoMac
macrumors 68030
Yawn Ethernet is better anyway. Its a desktop run Ethernet youll be happier with lower latency, no radio interference , and consistent throughput
villagehiker
macrumors regular
Why does this matter? During 40 years of using Macintosh for professional applications—including Final Cut Pro, video conferencing, video streaming—slow wifi never once originated from an Apple notebook or an Apple desktop. Someone please explain the "sting" of lacking the "latest and greatest"—as stated in the original post. Thanks. BTW, I am purchasing an M4 MacBook for its built-in Apple AI writing tools, primarily proofreading.
makeitrainnaren
macrumors regular
A laptop is a desktop?
Like, look, I dont think it’s a big deal they left out wifi 7, 6e is just barely fully rolling out to folks now, 7 is gonna take a long time before it’s common enough for it to be a huge deal, but your argument is just silly.
A laptop is a mobile device that most people use with wifi more often than wired, in fact I’d bet most people never plug their laptop into an ethernet cable period
ProbablyDylan
macrumors 68040
At the same time, most people don't have wifi 6E, to say nothing of how many have wifi 7.
People like you are the reason Apple gets away with these things year after year. For most people buying a laptop is not a one or two year endeavor, not to mention resale value.
TechWhisperer
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Astuces iOS
macrumors 68040
Reason maybe : M4 chip released in spring 2024… A18 released in September 2024 so AFTER…
M4 max is based on m4 pro that is based on m4 that is based on m3 that is based on A17 Pro I think so it think that’s why.
M4 max is based on m4 pro that is based on m4 that is based on m3 that is based on A17 Pro I think so it think that’s why.
Tyler O'Bannon
macrumors 65816
Oh, the same song as with M3 Pro bandwidth cut from people defending Apple, and it's getting really old. "Apple has done his research, most people don't use 200 GB/s, then it's sensible to cut to 150 and save costs." Curiously, Apple backtracked, and M4 Pro comes with 272 GB/s, because lo and behold, AI needs it.
is it a surprise when there's a precedent that apple put in wifi 6 in 2021 when wifi 6e has been out for a while at that point?
AirpodsNow
macrumors regular
Honestly, some comments I saw of people mentioning this, it’s tiring. I mean macrumors seems to have been milking article after article these three days.
Just for the record, it’s also “missing” oled screen, improved sd card speeds (I assume), no new design, no Face ID, no higher ram config than m3 max, no cellular, also most importantly no new wallpaper on the box!
Jokes aside, I’m quite happy to see the webcam improved with centre stage, stops me dangling my iPhone on the screen. Playing with llm the super increased bandwidth also great. And brighter screen is another daily win. Not sure what tb5 will do for me.
Just for the record, it’s also “missing” oled screen, improved sd card speeds (I assume), no new design, no Face ID, no higher ram config than m3 max, no cellular, also most importantly no new wallpaper on the box!
Jokes aside, I’m quite happy to see the webcam improved with centre stage, stops me dangling my iPhone on the screen. Playing with llm the super increased bandwidth also great. And brighter screen is another daily win. Not sure what tb5 will do for me.
AirpodsNow
macrumors regular
Interesting. Do you have a link where I can read more about these specifics? didn’t know they don’t use Qualcomm for WiFi I thought they were all bundled together with the 5g modem