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Do you really think Macs are expensive because of their components?
Seriously?
The base $2,500 Mac Pro is fitted with 3GB of memory.
Totally agree. Since the switch to Intel the Mac is a PC in a nice shell. Apple havent thought different for 6 years since they switched from Power PC chips.
You could put all the same components into a build your own PC and get a screen for alot less. So in reality a £1649 top of the range iMac should really cost say £1000. The rest is just a huge Apple mark up.
I never used to mind paying the mark up because the goods were of high quality. But in the last couple of years the quality has been absolute ******. I've returned 14 iMacs, 8 MacBook Pros and 5 iPhones. Yellow screens, grey smudges on the LCD, dust behind the MBP glass, dead pixels, clicking hard drives, loud buzzing power bricks. The list is a disgrace. If you buy online and get a replacement they are never brand new as they say they are over the phone. Every replacement I got was a refurb. They came with fingerprints on the underside of the glass which would require removal of the glass to clean. The only way I got a new one was when I got a refund then bought it again.
I'm currently 50/50 on whether to switch back the majority of my computers to PC and build my own and just keep one Apple laptop because I do much prefer OS X. I'm also considering Android for the first time too.
I'll wait and see what the the iMacs and MBP are like in terms of build quality before making a decision because I really don't want to move away from the Mac platform.
Every car made in the last about 20 years has a ECM, which is a computer. I really doubt the modern car can be built without a CPU.
So no, I don't know what the poster was saying. Apple doesn't make computers for all fields in which they are required, only for a few select industries which are mobile communication devices, portable media players and PCs.
And frankly, you should be happy that's the only thing from that post I replied to. The notion that we're "disloyal" for owning a PC made by anything but Apple is just laughable to me, so feel relieved I didn't start a sub-thread about that.
I did not sat a "modern car," and neither did you in your initial post. I said the concept of a car, so don't twist what I said or mean. A car does not need a CPU to function. Modern cars have them, but there are over a century of prototype and production cars with no computer chips.
Also totally confused why you are barking at me about some "notion" about being "disloyal" for owning a a non-Apple PC. You obviously have me confused w/ someone else b/c I don't play that game. I could not care less what brand computer anyone owns. Loyalty to a company is stupid. Consumers should buy a product because it fits their needs, budget, and its good.
Do you really think Macs are expensive because of their components?
Seriously?
The base $2,500 Mac Pro is fitted with 3GB of memory.
That is way to low. I felt ripped off on a iMac with 2 gigs of ram for $1800.
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I didn't check the exact turbo frequencies, sorry
But that just helps prove my point - 30% faster, not 80-100% faster like the benchmarks would suggest - and if you're running one single threaded app, even less than 30%.
I think we're pretty much on the same page here - under most home-use circumstances, a GeekBench of 12000 is NOT twice as fast as a GeekBench of 6000 if the computer's just throwing more cores at the problem.
Hae a guid rin!
Ha! Rin. You'd have to go quite far North of Glasgow to hear that one, chief. "Yin" is a bit more likely on the West coast.
Hae a guid yin, yersel'.
Just take a look at some of the current components and hardware. You'll get a whooping 512MB of GFX RAM on a 27" iMac for $1700. I remember when 512MB was under powered back in 2008.
Nice benchs that looked like 09.2010 benchs... Anything more recent for Pro cards?
Because since then Nvidia and AMD both changed their architecture and looking at recent mainstream cards that happen to be benchmarked more easily AMD offers better compute performance (like rendering a 3D scene).
Let's look at pro benchs for the latest cards, where we can see that the latest generation middle pro AMD (v7900 $500) fares pretty good against top of the line Nvidia (quadro 6000 $2000).
My point though was that anyway both companies treat OS X users like second tier customers with only a few cards supported, and usually not the latest or fastest.
Because since then Nvidia and AMD both changed their architecture and looking at recent mainstream cards that happen to be benchmarked more easily AMD offers better compute performance (like rendering a 3D scene).
Let's look at pro benchs for the latest cards, where we can see that the latest generation middle pro AMD (v7900 $500) fares pretty good against top of the line Nvidia (quadro 6000 $2000).
My point though was that anyway both companies treat OS X users like second tier customers with only a few cards supported, and usually not the latest or fastest.
The amount no, the number of RAM cards used yes...
If the MBPro uses 2 RAM cards and iMac only one performances suffers, just like in the benchmark reported where the iMac CPU fares better but the overall score ends up being lower due to bad memory scores.
Letting the slow children cross the finish line at the same time is unbearably stupid. Release power as soon as it comes, if they wait a few more weeks haswell will be out
.Wait...waiting till june makes it Q3 right?
Those wads are just doing it so they can act all surprised at Earth shattering sales figures.
I didn't bark at you for that, I simply pointed out the post I was replying to, the conversation in which you interjected, had alluded to such a thing and you should be happy I only decided to reply to his comments about "computers" instead of addressing his ridiculous comment about loyalty (not yours, his, the poster I was responding to before you interjected).
Try to keep up.
From One Scot To Another!
Little did ye ken, thoe I was born and have always lived in the U.S., I am of 100% Scottish lineage.
I have been the most devoted American Patriot my whole life, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but because in recent years I no longer recognize my Country – that I have always been so devoted to – and if the present trend in this Country's political atmosphere, governmental policies and disposition, our culture, zeitgeist, etc. continues, I may move to Scotland, but retain my American citizenship.
I was fortunate to have travelled to Greater Edinburg, Glasgow, various shires, on two trips abroad. I fell in love with Scotland, and can't wait to at least visit again.
My second trip, I serendipitously visited Edinburg during the annual Fringe Festifal. I hadn't planned it; it was luck.
It is common for people who visit foreign countries with far different cultures to feel alienated; in my case, Scotland felt like home – like I belonged there. (Maybe it saturates my DNA.)
Ultimately, fate will decide, and "Whit's fur ye'll no go by ye!"
P.S. Possible Scottish tourism slogan: "It's NORTHERN IRELAND that still has the terrorism problem, not Scotland!"
FRINGE!
Little did ye ken, thoe I was born and have always lived in the U.S., I am of 100% Scottish lineage.
I have been the most devoted American Patriot my whole life, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but because in recent years I no longer recognize my Country – that I have always been so devoted to – and if the present trend in this Country's political atmosphere, governmental policies and disposition, our culture, zeitgeist, etc. continues, I may move to Scotland, but retain my American citizenship.
I was fortunate to have travelled to Greater Edinburg, Glasgow, various shires, on two trips abroad. I fell in love with Scotland, and can't wait to at least visit again.
My second trip, I serendipitously visited Edinburg during the annual Fringe Festifal. I hadn't planned it; it was luck.
It is common for people who visit foreign countries with far different cultures to feel alienated; in my case, Scotland felt like home – like I belonged there. (Maybe it saturates my DNA.)
Ultimately, fate will decide, and "Whit's fur ye'll no go by ye!"
P.S. Possible Scottish tourism slogan: "It's NORTHERN IRELAND that still has the terrorism problem, not Scotland!"
FRINGE!
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Your snark aside, you said what you said in both posts to me. My comment to you had zero to do with whether one buys a PC or a Mac, but that you were being coy pretending that when the poster said he only used Mac computers he meant the popular use of that word, and that the concept of a car doesn't require a computer chip, just wheels, a power source and a steering mechanism. So it was irrelevant for you to mention to me you don't care for people who are loyal to a particular brand PC.
Forget about me trying to keep up... you need to practice being on point. Cheers.
You objected to me comment to Open Mac based on semantics. I simply told you to feel lucky that's all I decided to reply to him about, his post containing much more "material" that needed replying to.
(since it seems you took great exception to my pointing out that it is quite impossible for one to have only owned Apple branded computers since computers are everywhere, in everything and most not made by Apple).
Anyway, end of discussion, I don't understand why you always feel the need to interject between me and other posters. Let them defend themselves if really my posts are in such need of correction.
Good day sir.
They Could Issue Bonds!
LOL!
However, this is true only until they give it all away, rather that reinvest it in their products; make sensible acquisitions of small, nimble companies and bring their "geniuses" on board at Apple (through long-term employment contracts, generous compensation and stock options that can only be exercised if the employee stays at Apple for an established amount of time); acquire patent portfolios and IP when Apple has not the luxury of time to develop a technology in-house (in such a fast-paced industry); pay the patent lawyers to file patents on EVERYTHING; increase spending on brand and product promotion; judiciously construct more architectural masterpiece flagship Apple Stores around the globe; enter new markets in new countries the world over; OH! And suing the pants off thiefs this time around!
Click: Apple Granted Broad Patents By USPTO
Yes, contrary to Tim Cook's, "Apple obviously has more cash than it needs," Apple could have used all its cash and more for many purposes, all close to its core competency, especially when iOS is behind Android in market share (again, with the iPad included).
True that. That is why I've owned iPods (lost count), three iPads and two iPhones – and intend to buy the "next" iPhone. (I even own a Newton, which is still a blast to break out and play with. Did you know it – well, my model – had a telephone modem, Web browser and email app?)
I simply want to continue buying the fastest, most powerful, expandable, cutting-edge "open Macs," whether they are Mac Pros or some other open Mac. I love my iOS devices, but need my open Mac. There are things I can do on my iPad that simply can't be done on my Mac, and things I can do on my Mac that I simply can't do on my iPad. Neither is better, they're DIFFERENT! I need them BOTH!
I should think it would please Apple if customers bought Macs plus notebooks plus iPads plus iPod nanos plus iPhones plus an iPanel – instead of one device that makes all other Apple products unnecessary to $$buy$$.
The Xeon-equipped Mac Pro is poorly positioned (for a company famous for its marketing acumen) as a tower "pc" rather than a professional workstation of a class far more powerful and professionally customizable than the "pc" class.
One can't blame prospects for comparing a $5,000+ Mac Pro tower to a $399 Core i3 tower PC, and not seeing the justification for the Mac's price. Apple's marketing communications for the Mac Pro approaches zero.
And one cannot blame the consumer for not knowing that a Mac Pro tower contains server- or workstation-class components like the Xeon (even USES the ECC on RAM modules – the ONLY Mac that does).
And – revived year after year – the concerns of SIGGRAPH attendees about Apple's weak Graphics Card support (including almost no programmability to suit disparate Pro apps) have gone unheeded for many years.
Why OpenCL and GCD (essentially "frozen" as of Snow Leopard), but no dual-card, parallel processing GPU support? This "half-measure" is as inexplicable as it is indefensible (that is, until Apple has given all its cash away).
In the Walter Isaacson biography, Steve Jobs was unequivocally clear as to what HE wanted to use Apple's (then) $40 billion in cash for: to right the wrong of Google stealing iOS. Google's Eric Schmidt sat on Apple's Board for long, and one might wonder what insights into Apple he gained that may have benefitted Google after he left Apple's Board. (Internal Google slogan: "Don't Be Evil." Now, walk the walk.)
Jobs had seen Microsoft steal and copy the Mac until the Mac's market share was as low as 1.7% (lower globally), and he was seeing history repeat itself (with uncanny similarity) with Google and iOS.
I'd be furious myself if I saw Apple being blatantly ripped off YET AGAIN with another unprecedented, groundbreaking new Apple product.
Tim Cook, who said, "Apple will not change," has different plans for Apple's cash than Steve Jobs had, ones, IMHO, Steve Jobs would be vehemently opposed to.
Issuing quarterly payroll checks to shareholders already GREATLY rewarded by the appreciation in Apple's stock price is one. (It would be a sad irony if they used their paychecks to buy Android devices).
Getting paychecks for no time or labor. Shareholders should at least be required to come in and mop the floors at Apple once in awhile.
Profits aside, including the iPad, Android has a greater market share than iOS. Apple doesn't have a monopoly; they're behind in unit market share for mobile devices and personal computers.
Apple was awarded BROAD patents by the USPTO for dozens of touch, multi-touch and gesture user interactions, that Google has simply ignored and copied, without restraint, with each new release of Android.
Pinch and unpinch and velocity scrolling are among them. Has this bothered Google? The evidence would suggest not.
Let Google compete with its OWN IP and innovative, unique ideas; and let the consumer decide. And if THEN more people buy Android devices, this would not only be fair, but "real" competition to the greater benefit of consumers.
P.S. People who consider Apple a "bully" or "monopolist" because they sue, must lack the loooooong perspective of the law's failure to protect Apple and to protect the Mac's proprietary features from cloning by Microsoft. With this perspective, I say to Apple: sue, sue, sue! You've paid your dues – nearly driven out of business – and have earned the right to become a litigant to be feared – this time; rarely do we get a second chance in life. Don't blow this one.
Check out: Bill Gates Runs Circles Around John Sculley (a.k.a. "Not just Windows 1.0.")
LOL!
However, this is true only until they give it all away, rather that reinvest it in their products; make sensible acquisitions of small, nimble companies and bring their "geniuses" on board at Apple (through long-term employment contracts, generous compensation and stock options that can only be exercised if the employee stays at Apple for an established amount of time); acquire patent portfolios and IP when Apple has not the luxury of time to develop a technology in-house (in such a fast-paced industry); pay the patent lawyers to file patents on EVERYTHING; increase spending on brand and product promotion; judiciously construct more architectural masterpiece flagship Apple Stores around the globe; enter new markets in new countries the world over; OH! And suing the pants off thiefs this time around!
Click: Apple Granted Broad Patents By USPTO
Yes, contrary to Tim Cook's, "Apple obviously has more cash than it needs," Apple could have used all its cash and more for many purposes, all close to its core competency, especially when iOS is behind Android in market share (again, with the iPad included).
True that. That is why I've owned iPods (lost count), three iPads and two iPhones – and intend to buy the "next" iPhone. (I even own a Newton, which is still a blast to break out and play with. Did you know it – well, my model – had a telephone modem, Web browser and email app?)
I simply want to continue buying the fastest, most powerful, expandable, cutting-edge "open Macs," whether they are Mac Pros or some other open Mac. I love my iOS devices, but need my open Mac. There are things I can do on my iPad that simply can't be done on my Mac, and things I can do on my Mac that I simply can't do on my iPad. Neither is better, they're DIFFERENT! I need them BOTH!
I should think it would please Apple if customers bought Macs plus notebooks plus iPads plus iPod nanos plus iPhones plus an iPanel – instead of one device that makes all other Apple products unnecessary to $$buy$$.
The Xeon-equipped Mac Pro is poorly positioned (for a company famous for its marketing acumen) as a tower "pc" rather than a professional workstation of a class far more powerful and professionally customizable than the "pc" class.
One can't blame prospects for comparing a $5,000+ Mac Pro tower to a $399 Core i3 tower PC, and not seeing the justification for the Mac's price. Apple's marketing communications for the Mac Pro approaches zero.
And one cannot blame the consumer for not knowing that a Mac Pro tower contains server- or workstation-class components like the Xeon (even USES the ECC on RAM modules – the ONLY Mac that does).
And – revived year after year – the concerns of SIGGRAPH attendees about Apple's weak Graphics Card support (including almost no programmability to suit disparate Pro apps) have gone unheeded for many years.
Why OpenCL and GCD (essentially "frozen" as of Snow Leopard), but no dual-card, parallel processing GPU support? This "half-measure" is as inexplicable as it is indefensible (that is, until Apple has given all its cash away).
In the Walter Isaacson biography, Steve Jobs was unequivocally clear as to what HE wanted to use Apple's (then) $40 billion in cash for: to right the wrong of Google stealing iOS. Google's Eric Schmidt sat on Apple's Board for long, and one might wonder what insights into Apple he gained that may have benefitted Google after he left Apple's Board. (Internal Google slogan: "Don't Be Evil." Now, walk the walk.)
Jobs had seen Microsoft steal and copy the Mac until the Mac's market share was as low as 1.7% (lower globally), and he was seeing history repeat itself (with uncanny similarity) with Google and iOS.
I'd be furious myself if I saw Apple being blatantly ripped off YET AGAIN with another unprecedented, groundbreaking new Apple product.
Tim Cook, who said, "Apple will not change," has different plans for Apple's cash than Steve Jobs had, ones, IMHO, Steve Jobs would be vehemently opposed to.
Issuing quarterly payroll checks to shareholders already GREATLY rewarded by the appreciation in Apple's stock price is one. (It would be a sad irony if they used their paychecks to buy Android devices).
Getting paychecks for no time or labor. Shareholders should at least be required to come in and mop the floors at Apple once in awhile.
Profits aside, including the iPad, Android has a greater market share than iOS. Apple doesn't have a monopoly; they're behind in unit market share for mobile devices and personal computers.
Apple was awarded BROAD patents by the USPTO for dozens of touch, multi-touch and gesture user interactions, that Google has simply ignored and copied, without restraint, with each new release of Android.
Pinch and unpinch and velocity scrolling are among them. Has this bothered Google? The evidence would suggest not.
Let Google compete with its OWN IP and innovative, unique ideas; and let the consumer decide. And if THEN more people buy Android devices, this would not only be fair, but "real" competition to the greater benefit of consumers.
P.S. People who consider Apple a "bully" or "monopolist" because they sue, must lack the loooooong perspective of the law's failure to protect Apple and to protect the Mac's proprietary features from cloning by Microsoft. With this perspective, I say to Apple: sue, sue, sue! You've paid your dues – nearly driven out of business – and have earned the right to become a litigant to be feared – this time; rarely do we get a second chance in life. Don't blow this one.
Check out: Bill Gates Runs Circles Around John Sculley (a.k.a. "Not just Windows 1.0.")
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What if the iMac Pro IS the Mac Pro. TB allows external expansion to a "box" and the iMac has enough volume that by simply adding a fan it could support the latest Intel Server chips.
Rocketman
Rocketman
The biggest issue I've always had with that configuration is that it doesn't give much to simplicity. Dumping an iMac on your desk, then dumping another box with PCIe expansion and another power cord isn't that far from dumping a Mac Pro under your desk with a 27" ACD.
Sure, a user can opt for not having the PCIe box and just going with the standalone iMac. In those cases, it's not too far from what we have now.
I don't see Apple axing the Mac Pro, or rebranding a new iMac the iMac Pro. A huge 27" panel is nowhere near rack-able.
Uh ? Yes, there are :
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellst...de=ss&c=US&l=EN&dgc=SS&cid=247370&lid=4282318
http://ark.intel.com/products/65511/Intel-Core-i5-3450-Processor-(6M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz)
If Dell is shipping them you can bet many other PC OEMs are.
You use 'is' if you are talking about an individual, and 'are' if you are talking about a plural, as Apple is a company, made up of more than one person, it is considered linguistically to be a group, therefore the correct term is 'Apple are...' however, you can also use the group itself as the singular, therefore both 'Apple is...' and 'Apple are...' in this instance are both correct and mean the same thing, in both English, and American-English, hope that clears that up for you
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Little did ye ken, thoe I was born and have always lived in the U.S., I am of 100% Scottish lineage.
I have been the most devoted American Patriot my whole life, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but because in recent years I no longer recognize my Country – that I have always been so devoted to – and if the present trend in this Country's political atmosphere, governmental policies and disposition, our culture, zeitgeist, etc. continues, I may move to Scotland, but retain my American citizenship.
I was fortunate to have travelled to Greater Edinburg, Glasgow, various shires, on two trips abroad. I fell in love with Scotland, and can't wait to at least visit again.
My second trip, I serendipitously visited Edinburg during the annual Fringe Festifal. I hadn't planned it; it was luck.
It is common for people who visit foreign countries with far different cultures to feel alienated; in my case, Scotland felt like home – like I belonged there. (Maybe it saturates my DNA.)
Ultimately, fate will decide, and "Whit's fur ye'll no go by ye!"
P.S. Possible Scottish tourism slogan: "It's NORTHERN IRELAND that still has the terrorism problem, not Scotland!"
FRINGE!
I think Northern Ireland are doing better now than they ever have, the changes we've had here in the past 5 years, even the last year alone especially in Belfast suggest similar, more money more investment and more hope for the future than we've had in a long time.
Maybe that has something to do with American corporations not funding the IRA as heavily as they used to
If you visited Glasgow, you'd like Belfast, I've spent a lot of time in both, they are eerily similar, same architecture, same atmosphere, same prejudices! Put it this way, my annual high school trip (the only one we had) was to a Celtic / Rangers match. That should tell you something!
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