I am always told by the X-Plane community that Radeon Pro 580 8 GB is just not enough graphics memory. I live in hope they will come out with a more powerful graphics card.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Unreleased iMac With 10-Core Comet Lake-S Chip and Radeon Pro 5300 GPU Shows Up in Geekbench
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
I'm guessing the percentage of Mac users who want to run a Windows program i pretty small. I use my MBP in my business and have pretty much weaned myself off of Windows with the exception of PowerBI and the occasional need to check an Off ie365 document if a client says it formatted strange.
Based on my anecdotal observations, I'd be surprised if 20% of Mac users care about the ability to run Windows programs, Many of my co-workers use Macs and none run Bootcamp or a VM.
In additoin, who says ARM based Macs won't be able to run some form of Windoes, either the crippled ARM version or, if the ARM chip is fast enough, the ARM equivalent of VirtualPC? Probably not at first but by the time ARM becomes the main processor used in Macs that may be the case.
Rathger than a premium I'd expect them to lose more value than the historical trend.
But again, who knows? Whatever will be, will be. The futures not ours to see...
absolute nonsense
[automerge]1593724085[/automerge]
I doubt you’ll see a more powerful 27-inch iMac until the end of the transition phase. Almost certainly the first ARM is going to be replacing the entry level 13 inch MacBook Pro that still has 8th gen intel, but will run below the 10th gen line. Then the smaller iMac. We’ll see them at the bottom working up. Id be very very surprised to see the iMac Pro or Mac Pro replaced in 3 years time let alone 2.
It would be great if Apple would quantify the OS support timespan when the the next Intel Mac was introduced. I'm not expecting it though. Jon Gruber asked that question point blank in an interview and Federighi just danced around it as if they were afraid of some future lawsuit,
As for using thunderbolt for a high res display, there was an interesting leak about Apple inventing a new kind of wireless connection for high resolution goggles that was said to be showing up in new Macs.
Why are we calling it an iMac at all? The AAJP name doesn't look like existing iMac model numbers.
[automerge]1593732991[/automerge]
Apple desupports hardware after a double handful of years anyway, so that would happen anyway.
The arguably more important question is what software support there will be, both MacOS and Apple/3-rd party apps.
While there is still a large pool of actively used Intel Macs (> 50% of total), then developers will likely hedge their bets and produce an Intel version in the Universal bundle. Once ARM becomes the majority, which will probably more or less coincide with the last Intel supported version of MacOS (4-5 years away?), then I think we will see a drop-off in developer support, and in 8-10 years Intel apps will become the exception. Unless Apple Silicon doesn't deliver, or Intel / AMD produce something radically better.
I remember during the PPC to Intel transition, there were many software companies waiting until the last minute to update their applications. "Just run in Rosetta" they kept saying, until Apple stopped supporting PPC.
Even today we have software companies and IT departments telling users "We support Mac, here are instructions for running our application on a Mac". That "support" was nothing more than steps for booting into Windows.
I'm waiting to see the same companies tell ARM Mac users "just run the iPhone application on the Mac"
Yep, bet that's going to happen big time. Don't forget those emoji's!
What about these benchmarks? They say iMac 19,1... is that legit?
EDIT: don’t mind me. Got owned by the date (today afternoon). iMac 19,1 it is my understanding that it would 2019 models.
iMac19,1 - Geekbench
Benchmark results for an iMac19,1 with an Intel Core i9-10900 processor.
browser.geekbench.com
EDIT: don’t mind me. Got owned by the date (today afternoon). iMac 19,1 it is my understanding that it would 2019 models.
Last edited:
Oh come on, you know that level headed common sense isn't what we do around here... ;-)
I need a new 27" iMac. But I'll wait for the ARM version. What I'd love is if they made the bezels very small and lost the chin - but now the question becomes, does that mean the screen remains 27" and the computer becomes smaller, or do they use that extra space to make it a 28" or bigger screen? I'd love if they made it bigger, but I highly doubt it - bigger panels cost more money and they would need to set up new production lines and it would push up costs and time in R&D and testing and so on. So I honestly don't see it. Would be nice at least if they upgraded the 27" to a superior screen technology, but can we even count on that? It might be too much, they might have their hands full with just the redesign and the chip architechture change. I'm not optimistic.
What I'd love is a general upgrade - not just the change to Apple Silicon. Better everything, all components, bigger standard SSD - I'd love it if 1TB SSD was standard on the 27" iMac and 16GB RAM standard. Ain't gonna happen.
What usually happens is Apple is very stingy with big technological leaps - they like to trickle out small upgrades over a long time, that way they maintain their margins. That's been the pattern.
I don't even expect the 27" ARM iMac to arrive before 2022. What might happen is the MacPro and the 27" iMac will be the last hardware to transition to ARM - and remember it's supposed to take 2 years, so Summer of 2022. And at that point they'll push out their biggest baddest fastest beasts to blow Intel out of the water. Btw. I expect them to get rid of the iMac Pro - it only existed seems to me due to the limitations from Intel.
Also, I'll be curious to see how the Apple design team deals with new hardware design of the iMac without Jonny. We know Timmy doesn't know his behind from a hole in the ground when it comes to aesthetics, so can't count on his judgment. Is there anyone who has any taste left at Apple - I don't know, the icon look of Big Sur is a horror show. What's going to happen? Who is in charge of the look of things - is it by committee, like a camel is a horse designed by committee? You need someone with strong vision that can unify the whole look across all the product lines. Who is that person at Apple now that Jonny is no longer there? Bueller? Anyone? Hello...? Is Apple gonna start looking like Dell designed their stuff? I'm very worried. I know it's very shallow to care about looks, so I guess that makes me a shallow person, but I feel happier working on something that is nice looking instead of some clunky kludge that's purely functional.
Also, where is Phil Schiller? Did they lock him up in a basement somewhere? He hasn't shown himself in the last couple of events and is only giving random phone interviews without showing his face. I think Timmy is consolidating a dictatorship and getting rid of all possible competition. Poor Apple.
What I'd love is a general upgrade - not just the change to Apple Silicon. Better everything, all components, bigger standard SSD - I'd love it if 1TB SSD was standard on the 27" iMac and 16GB RAM standard. Ain't gonna happen.
What usually happens is Apple is very stingy with big technological leaps - they like to trickle out small upgrades over a long time, that way they maintain their margins. That's been the pattern.
I don't even expect the 27" ARM iMac to arrive before 2022. What might happen is the MacPro and the 27" iMac will be the last hardware to transition to ARM - and remember it's supposed to take 2 years, so Summer of 2022. And at that point they'll push out their biggest baddest fastest beasts to blow Intel out of the water. Btw. I expect them to get rid of the iMac Pro - it only existed seems to me due to the limitations from Intel.
Also, I'll be curious to see how the Apple design team deals with new hardware design of the iMac without Jonny. We know Timmy doesn't know his behind from a hole in the ground when it comes to aesthetics, so can't count on his judgment. Is there anyone who has any taste left at Apple - I don't know, the icon look of Big Sur is a horror show. What's going to happen? Who is in charge of the look of things - is it by committee, like a camel is a horse designed by committee? You need someone with strong vision that can unify the whole look across all the product lines. Who is that person at Apple now that Jonny is no longer there? Bueller? Anyone? Hello...? Is Apple gonna start looking like Dell designed their stuff? I'm very worried. I know it's very shallow to care about looks, so I guess that makes me a shallow person, but I feel happier working on something that is nice looking instead of some clunky kludge that's purely functional.
Also, where is Phil Schiller? Did they lock him up in a basement somewhere? He hasn't shown himself in the last couple of events and is only giving random phone interviews without showing his face. I think Timmy is consolidating a dictatorship and getting rid of all possible competition. Poor Apple.
yes I’m surprised at the hesitation of at least announcing a minimum, if you knew it was 3+3 it would at least give an idea. I suspect it’s because they don’t know how well it will go though, the PPC move happened in a year but if this takes 2 then presumably they’d want to support it anotheryear or two?
Are people really this trusting of Apple?
They claimed PPC would get continued updates and support for years. Last 2 years, then it was tough luck go by an Intel machine. Despite Xcode being able to write the binaries for both Intel and PPC, just like now with Intel and Arm.
Apple dumped PPC like poop on a shovel and they will do the same with Intel. You'll get 1 OS upgrade and tyhat'll be it, they claim that the Intel CPU's don't have a specific set of instructions that are needed for OSX BabyPuke.
The final OS version to support PPC was released August 13 2009, 3.5 years after the first Intel mac was released.
What about for audio with Logic Pro X. Seems like a safe bet to know all plugins will actually work.
[automerge]1593761185[/automerge]
That was my thinking....I'm deciding to buy a 27" now or wait to see if the new one is revealed.
Once they reveal the new imac, does that mean I can no longer order the 2019 imac if I somehow liked it better?
Last edited:
At that time, Intel chips were superior in every way and PowerPC had been pretty much dead for a while. You also got something that was important to many - the ability to run Windows and thus apps you previously couldn't run at all, and all this on your Mac. No wonder everyone was happy.
Here, you will lose the compatibility, the ability to run Intel VMs, many games will presumably stop working, and I think it is very unlikely that Apple will be able to overtake all Intel CPUs performance wise. Apple gets more profits and control, the performance is good enough for low end, but the top systems will use Intel for quite a while yet.
My top spec iMac 2013 has waited for years for a proper update (HDR, Wifi 6), and this _might_ be it. I'll still probably wait for the first Apple silicon systems to see what the performance actually is though.
It's more than that for the Mac Pro and iMac Pro. The "iPhone Pro" makes a mockery out of the name - and the iPad Pro and MacBook Pro are somewhere in-between.
Looks likely. Processor score numbers are legit, model ID isn't. Likely a hack-job with a proc model we may or may not see.
8-core i9 3.6GHz is ~1250, 8230.
A 10-core would pull 1294, 10307, that's what I would expect to see. Even with the 2.8GHz base clock.
For reference the 10-core iMac Pro is ~1125, 9525.
Last edited:
Not really. Pro indicates higher end features than the non-Pro model(s), which equates to higher priced. It’s the same for AirPods, iPhones, iPads, iMacs, MacBooks, whatever.
Professionals are more likely to buy Pro models, but consumers are free to buy them if they so choose. Similarly, pros will buy MacBook Air, iPad Air or the regular iMac for example if they meet their requirements.