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GPS and WiFi draw too much power for such a battery life constrained device, trying to do so many other things. That is why the watch uses BTLE and relies on the phone for higher power draw computing resources (Speech to Text, GPS, WiFi, LTE, photo/audio/video processing, etc.)

You do realize that the Watch has wifi? And the Watch uses wifi whenever Bluetooth isn't available. In fact I use it almost exclusively to connect directly to wifi networks only, without any detrimental effects.

And this GPS uses too much power is an annoying meme, that is getting tiresome. There are GPS watches with lower capacity batteries that will last up to 10 hours or more using continuous GPS. Moreover, Apple includes the ability to make phone calls from the watch which drains the batteries to the tune of 3 hours of continuous use. So there's no reason that even if GPS were a more massive power drain than making phone calls (and it isnt) apps could make limited use of GPS only as needed.

These arguments are just pointless.
 
The main thing id like in a new Apple Watch is accurate heart rate tracking during workout - its currently garbage. A real heart rate monitor says i'm doing 155bpm (which I bloody well feel) and the Apple Watch things i'm doing 55bpm...which lower than most peoples resting heart rate ffs!
It seems to be pretty accurate for me -- low rate while fat-burning on an elliptical machine - 126 bpm - which matches the reading on the elliptical. When going fast for cardio - 146 - 155 bpm - again matched speeds on the elliptical sensors and the apple watch. I don't have a separate heart rate monitor (dedicated device), so I don't know if this would show a very different time. But the apple watch does also give me an accurate heart rate reading when I'm not really moving around much -- 72 - 76bpm.
 
It seems to be pretty accurate for me -- low rate while fat-burning on an elliptical machine - 126 bpm - which matches the reading on the elliptical. When going fast for cardio - 146 - 155 bpm - again matched speeds on the elliptical sensors and the apple watch. I don't have a separate heart rate monitor (dedicated device), so I don't know if this would show a very different time. But the apple watch does also give me an accurate heart rate reading when I'm not really moving around much -- 72 - 76bpm.

I suppose the benefit here is on a machine your arms are not moving much and its steady. If you're doing weights, HIIT, high intensity yoga, or boxing (which is ironic as one of the adverts showed shadow boxing) its not nearly as accurate.
 
Still missing Glucose-logging for Millions of patients with Diabetes. Apple talked alot about, nothing happend up to now....
 
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I suppose the benefit here is on a machine your arms are not moving much and its steady. If you're doing weights, HIIT, high intensity yoga, or boxing (which is ironic as one of the adverts showed shadow boxing) its not nearly as accurate.
I do refer to it (watch) while weight-lifting/training, and the readings seem to correlate with my exertions. For instance, when doing heavy leg presses of 12 reps (340+ pounds), my heart rate hits 160 - 180+. I check in between sets so that I have an idea of what is what in terms of bpm and exertion. One thing that is interesting is that I am coming to be aware of what my bpm rate 'feels' like -- meaning that I can say to myself, 'wow, I am feeling breathless, I can feel my heart pounding, I must be at over 160+ bpm). I have only just started to use the apple watch routinely for this monitoring during exercise, so I'm still becoming comfortable and aware of checking between sets. I've also been using the timer/stopwatch to allow for one minute to one and a half minutes between sets. What really is a pain point for me is that I don't have any way to gauge number of calories expended while weight training! I use the apple watch 'exercise' app (and later on my phone, MyFitnessPal) to monitor and estimate calories burned per activity -- but there are only settings for cardio activities. I have to set "Other" during weight training, which just tracks the bmp and minutes per session. Do you know of an app that one can use for non-cardio activities?
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Still missing Glucose-logging for Millions of patients with Diabetes. Apple talked alot about, nothing happend up to now....
I'm pretty sure that had to do with the FDA determining that a fitness app would be considered a 'medical device' if it were to do something like glucose monitoring, and that would then require the hideously lengthy and expensive FDA review and certification process which all medical devices receive. It was a major setback for Apple - at least that's how I would have seen it if this were my product. So, they had to rollback some of their intended functions -- which were only planned of course, since the current capabilities don't include anything which could monitor glucose.
 
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How about they don't make it any thinner, but use that 'extra' space to put in better battery!

Now that would be great!
No one has ever run it for less than one day under normal use. So that extra battery would only make it last for 2 days. That's great for campers and no one else. Everyone simply charges the watch everyday the same way they charge their phones everyday.
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Yes, since day 1. Is it super bulky? No. but it could be thinner. iPhone doesn't need to be thinner, MacBooks don't need to be thinner, Apple Watch does.
I finish the day with ~55% battery so don't care for an expanded battery.
Every device needs to be thinner and more importantly, lighter, because we know every device a few years from now will be thinner and lighter. So long as full day battery life isn't compromised for normal users, it's Apple's obligation to push use cases and industry a a whole towards the future of mobile devices.
 
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They all have e-ink displays to allow this to happen. You're not going to get it with OLED or LCD, probably ever.

The Apple Watch could easily have a basic always on time, it would lower the battery life, and design wise the clock digital time would need to move around the screen to stop burn in - so they probably decided against it for these two reasons.

I reiterate my disagreement. Albeit, only time will tell. If Samsung can have its Super AMOLED display always-on, I'm sure very soon someone will bring it to tiny screens and batteries of smart watches.

(In fact, Samsung's implementation of always-on is quite interesting. It does shift the pixels but very nearby ones, keeping in mind that the same ones aren't reused. This avoids burn-in and is done ever so swiftly that we barely notice.)
 
Ugh. Battery life is already my biggest gripe. Can we also just get a revised apple watch 2 that the same size as the current one with whatever tech is inside the new one allowing thinner (less battery) have the same longevity? Like maybe a sport watch that's actually a sport watch and not just a term used as a synonym for "entry level"? Take a look at moto 360 sport but then have it be an apple watch! I'd love to replace my fitbit. pie in the sky dreams of this rivaling a Garmin. Please? I'm asking nicely.
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GPS and WiFi draw too much power for such a battery life constrained device, trying to do so many other things. That is why the watch uses BTLE and relies on the phone for higher power draw computing resources (Speech to Text, GPS, WiFi, LTE, photo/audio/video processing, etc.)
The moto 360 sport manages. I don't say this to start some sort of war, but it would be nice for a sport watch to be a sport watch. I'd by Apple's version of the 360 sport in a heartbeat.
 
Damn it. I wanted to buy an Apple Watch tomorrow. Seeing rumours like this makes me doubt whether to get it now or wait. I really really want one. Blah.

I would still buy it. I mean I bought mine last April but with the $50 off, why not get it? The Watch 2 won't be here anytime soon.. Maybe September or maybe later on.. I doubt it releases with the new iPhone. And I doubt it'd be this summer.
 
You guys want GPS, a 3G chip and always on display with better battery life? Aren't these all going to make battery life worse?

Maybe, but all you have to do is charge it .. it's actually really easy to do.

Plus if someone doesn't want these features, they can be toggled off and you'll have a watch that just tells time that has a battery life of many days if you would rather not charge it as frequently.

I will say I see no point in an always on display. GPS is a must have, 3G would be an incredible bonus.
 
Maybe, but all you have to do is charge it .. it's actually really easy to do.

Plus if someone doesn't want these features, they can be toggled off and you'll have a watch that just tells time that has a battery life of many days if you would rather not charge it as frequently.

I will say I see no point in an always on display. GPS is a must have, 3G would be an incredible bonus.

Again, it's a user choice option. Jony Ive said the minute someone wears so wing they have the expectation of choice. Some of the walled-garden restrictions Apple imposes on the iPhone just won't fly on a wearable. And Ive knows that.
 
neat..

So when will we get to a point where out Apple watch is super thin like the iPhone 6 plus is ?

the crown.... well... that could be put somewhere...... (Does it need to be a crown?)
 
The Apple Watch could easily have a basic always on time, it would lower the battery life, and design wise the clock digital time would need to move around the screen to stop burn in - so they probably decided against it for these two reasons.

The pixel movement is barely noticeable, and that's only if you're looking for it. As for battery life, my always on Android watches go just as long as my almost never-on Apple Watch.

GPS and WiFi draw too much power for such a battery life constrained device, trying to do so many other things. That is why the watch uses BTLE and relies on the phone for higher power draw computing resources (Speech to Text, GPS, WiFi, LTE, photo/audio/video processing, etc.)

As pointed out, the Apple Watch has WiFi.

The Sony Smartwatch 3 also has GPS, and while it chews up the normally two-day battery like crazy (~ 20% battery drop every 1/2 hour) when being used while tracking yourself while running, it's at least a benefit that's there if you wish to use it.
 
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I didn't read all of the posts, but I have a few questions/comments:
  1. The Watch may not need more battery life. My phone hits 10% some days, my watch doesn't. But maybe...
  2. If they add more functionality like many people want, it may need more battery
  3. I'm not sure what a cellular chip on the watch will bring, but it scares me to think about another $10/month; I already have 3 iPhones and 3 iPads on my phone bill.
I am currently fine with the watch and look forward to more useful apps - really useful for the wrist. What I want is something like the Withings Go, but made by Apple. I have use cases where the watch isn't the best solution. I often used the Jawbone Move, but that makes 3 apps that I need (I have the Withings Body Analyzer) and the data from the Jawbone and Withings apps does not go into the Activity app. Yes, they go into the health app, but until Apple integrates the Health and Activity apps, what I do with the Jawbone Move doesn't show up on the rings on my watch. I doubt very seriously if I am the only person on earth with these use cases. Make something like the Jawbone Move or Withings Go please...or allow the activity from those devices to be added to the data that shows in the rings on my Apple Watch.

I have another gripe. I got the space grey sport because I wanted the lowest investment in case I didn't like it. I work out with it almost every day. Am I supposed to change bands daily (I have an Amazon version of the black M Loop)? Nah, I'm not going through that every day. So, I am probably going to by the space grey stainless when the updated watch comes out so I can have something with a different band to wear to work. Or, Apple could make the previously mentioned wearable and I would be good.
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GPS on and of itself wouldn't. Reasonably speaking it would only be used for fitness tracking and that, for now, is an afterthought.

How will it be helpful for fitness tracking if I'm not a runner? Is the thought to leave my phone at home if I go for a run/walk?
 
I didn't read all of the posts, but I have a few questions/comments:
  1. The Watch may not need more battery life. My phone hits 10% some days, my watch doesn't. But maybe...
  2. If they add more functionality like many people want, it may need more battery
  3. I'm not sure what a cellular chip on the watch will bring, but it scares me to think about another $10/month; I already have 3 iPhones and 3 iPads on my phone bill.
I am currently fine with the watch and look forward to more useful apps - really useful for the wrist. What I want is something like the Withings Go, but made by Apple. I have use cases where the watch isn't the best solution. I often used the Jawbone Move, but that makes 3 apps that I need (I have the Withings Body Analyzer) and the data from the Jawbone and Withings apps does not go into the Activity app. Yes, they go into the health app, but until Apple integrates the Health and Activity apps, what I do with the Jawbone Move doesn't show up on the rings on my watch. I doubt very seriously if I am the only person on earth with these use cases. Make something like the Jawbone Move or Withings Go please...or allow the activity from those devices to be added to the data that shows in the rings on my Apple Watch.

I have another gripe. I got the space grey sport because I wanted the lowest investment in case I didn't like it. I work out with it almost every day. Am I supposed to change bands daily (I have an Amazon version of the black M Loop)? Nah, I'm not going through that every day. So, I am probably going to by the space grey stainless when the updated watch comes out so I can have something with a different band to wear to work. Or, Apple could make the previously mentioned wearable and I would be good.
I find that the battery life really suffers on days I wear the watch to the gym -- my workouts totaling roughly 1-1/2 hour (cardio + weights) uses a huge chunk of battery - like more than 30% for that period of time. I know that part of the reason is that I have the screen on a lot in order to check time while between sets and to monitor heart rate. So I am intensely using the watch with the screen on for that entire period. That is the only reason why I would say that longer battery life would be useful. Personally, I don't want a separate cellular chip, either. The thought of Verizon charging me an 'add-on' price for another device...! No, thanks. Also - since most of the heavy lifting for most watch apps does seem to be done on the phone, I don't know that I'd ever not carry the phone when wearing the watch out.

Since you mentioned withings and some other fitness trackers -- have you found any kind of app that will work on the iphone/watch to track (accurately, or even close to) weight-training/lifting? I am at a loss as to how to estimate caloric exertion for weight-training.
 
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