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Less than zero benefit. I am constantly accidentally brushing the touchbar causing it to do stuff I don’t want to do. The presence of the touchbar actually makes the machine worse.

Relatable. All anyone wanted was updated 2015 models. no one would complain if touch bar was there in addition to the normal function keys.


I wish Apple would dump intel sooner rather than later. Made sense when they were the only game in town but with AMD wiping the floor with them at all price point (and at 7nm) I have to wonder if intel is a liability at this point.
 
Relatable. All anyone wanted was updated 2015 models. no one would complain if touch bar was there in addition to the normal function keys.


I wish Apple would dump intel sooner rather than later. Made sense when they were the only game in town but with AMD wiping the floor with them at all price point (and at 7nm) I have to wonder if intel is a liability at this point.
This would be a good year to dump Intel....

Would love to see what ARM can do, but also fine with an AMD CPU.
 
A 14” screen size and 320gb base model is no brainer and Apple evil plan might offer even less than or the same as 2019 base model.
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Butterfly mechanism is indeed a failure and it took too long from Apple to admit the mistake.
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It is not hard to offer MAGSAFE that work with USB-C charger but Apple hardware department is operated by people who less likely to fond of nice things.
Mr. Phill will oppose everything that makes a Pro machine Pro.
Because he wants to delay those for the future - when his innovative inspiration may be even lower
 
I mean yeah if I all I was looking for was 10~15% more CPU performance than I got in 2018 then sure its "great." The GPU bump is much nicer at 30%, but again not exactly revelatory, and honestly not very impressive when you consider the 18+ month gap.
Again, maybe it'll have all day battery life or something else that makes it amazing (or maybe Apple will just do the sensible thing and go AMD), and even if it doesn't your welcome to spend your money on it, but I sure as hell wont.

If you have a 2018 machine why are you looking to get rid of it already? You won't ever notice anything but incremental changes with that kind of refresh.

Me? I'm coming from a late 2013 MacBook Pro, so the CPU's I mentioned (Intel i7-1068NG7 and i5-1030NG4) will be perfectly adequate.
 
What about Macs with Intel Tiger Lake, which means Thunderbolt 4 and USB4 (USB 4)?
The fact i would like to know if Thunderbolt 4 is 80 Gbps / usb 3.2 gen 2x2 or not ,if its 80 Gbps will go with Tiger Lake ,if its not ,just 40 Gbps i will go with Ice Lake.
 
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But Only if the headline is accurate. By recent years I presume you mean click bait online. In saying that 80/90s UK headlines ignored the rule and were classics.
Yeah, I guess so. Since I was only born in the 90s and most of the articles I've read in my lifetime have been online, as that's just the generation I'm in.
 
So you're suggesting that Fake News is now the de facto standard that we should expect from all "journalists"? What about from commercial revenue-mill websites designed to generate profit through clicks and views?
Not at all. But when reading most articles, especially about anything controversial or speculative, the author typically will take the position of least uncertainty and then offer possible alternatives and/or background on the focus of the article.

E.g. a title that reads: John Smith Likely to Get Over 10 Years in Prison, According to Sources

"blah blah blah article blah blah blah"

And then towards the end, the author will provide background info for those who maybe haven't been following the overarching story or have forgotten about it.

"Mr. Smith was arrested and brought in on fraud charges earlier last year when a whistleblower inside his company blah blah blah"
 
Not at all. But when reading most articles, especially about anything controversial or speculative, the author typically will take the position of least uncertainty and then offer possible alternatives and/or background on the focus of the article.

It’s simply a bad headline. It can be fixed with just one word: prefix it with “Report:”. Or infix “reportedly”. Done.
 
Anyone trying to get the new 13” MacBook Pro this year?

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I am either going to get the base 16” MBP for Med school which starts in July, or if this new 10th gen powered 13” MBP is released (hopefully with the Magic Keyboard) I’ll get that. I want at least 512GB SSD and 16GB of RAM and if you price a current 8th gen intel 13” MBP with upgraded 2.4GHz processor with those specs it’s $200 less than a base 16”. That’s not even comparable.
 
Most people are talking about screen size, and perhaps the keyboard.

The only thing I really care about is a good graphics chip (not this integrated bs). I want 16-inch performance in a 13-inch package. With this light form factor, would be amazing.

Give me the first, and I'm happy.
Everyone complained how they've slimmed it when it first came out, now we almost live in a USB-C world and its not bad at all
 
It would give the MacBook Air more raison d'être if they did.

Yeah, I thought of that and it's a good point. They do have a bit of a differentiation problem between the Air and 13-inch Pro right now.

The 12-inch PowerBook was fat for this very reason: it had basically the same performance as the 15- and 17-inch, but a much narrower form factor. Maybe they should just go back to that approach, and for those who don't like it, the Air is a perfectly fine (if a bit underpowered — hopefully, Ice Lake will help with that) option.
 
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I am either going to get the base 16” MBP for Med school which starts in July, or if this new 10th gen powered 13” MBP is released (hopefully with the Magic Keyboard) I’ll get that. I want at least 512GB SSD and 16GB of RAM and if you price a current 8th gen intel 13” MBP with upgraded 2.4GHz processor with those specs it’s $200 less than a base 16”. That’s not even comparable.
And if you upgrade the 13 inch to an i7 processor (still only quad core, whereas the 16 inch is 6-core), it is actually MORE expensive. For worse CPU, old-gen keyboard, smaller screen, no GPU.

The 13 inch is seriously overpriced ever since they started including more RAM, and now more storage in the 15/16 inch models.

A few years ago I bought a maxed out 2014 13 inch MBPro (3Ghz, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD) and there is no way it was more expensive than the equivalent 15 inch.
 
I would generally advise against CPU upgrades. The bang for the buck tends to be poor. Invest in RAM instead.
 
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And if you upgrade the 13 inch to an i7 processor (still only quad core, whereas the 16 inch is 6-core), it is actually MORE expensive. For worse CPU, old-gen keyboard, smaller screen, no GPU.

The 13 inch is seriously overpriced ever since they started including more RAM, and now more storage in the 15/16 inch models.

A few years ago I bought a maxed out 2014 13 inch MBPro (3Ghz, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD) and there is no way it was more expensive than the equivalent 15 inch.
You’re right that the relative prices are currently out of sync, and I’d be very surprised if the next update of the 13” doesn’t address that.

But it’s debatable whether the 13” i7/16/512 is necessarily a poor value, or if the base 16” is simply an excellent value. I’ll bet Apple sells a ton of the base $2,399 16” MBP. But likely the base 13” at $1,299 sells well too.

The highest upgraded configs of the 13” are really realm of pros and corporate buyers, who are effectively subsidizing the lower priced configs. This is a typical pricing strategy for Apple, but with a number of recent upgrades to the 16” line—and none to the 13”—there is a disparity that needs to be addressed.
 
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I would generally advise against CPU upgrades. The bang for the buck tends to be poor. Invest in RAM instead.
Perhaps...but moving from a CPU that boosts to 4.1 GHz vs 4.7Ghz is quite a big hike as things go. Since this current 2014 i7 has lasted for 5+ years, I tend to think that maxing out is good value for longievity.
 
I would generally advise against CPU upgrades. The bang for the buck tends to be poor. Invest in RAM instead.
Which is why the 16" MacBook Pro is a much better value proposition than the 13" with comparable 16GB of RAM and 512 GB SSD. Don't get me wrong, the 13" MBP is a fantastic laptop but the cost is too high considering the specs.
 
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Which is why the 16" MacBook Pro is a much better value proposition than the 13" with comparable 16GB of RAM and 512 GB SSD. Don't get me wrong, the 13" MBP is a fantastic laptop but the cost is too high considering the specs.
I sure hope there are 32G RAM and 4TB options. I’d like 64M RAM but I doubt we’ll see that.
 
I sure hope there are 32G RAM and 4TB options. I’d like 64M RAM but I doubt we’ll see that.
The CPUs Apple is currently using, both the 15 and 28W, are limited to 16GB of LPDDR3 RAM. I haven’t checked out the latest U-series CPUs but at least 32GB of LP memory should be supported.
 
Guys are we looking to see 10th gen comet lake H or the tiger lake processors on the refreshed 16” mbp in 2020? What would be the better option
 
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