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Upcoming 13-Inch MacBook Pro Models to Use Intel's 10th-Generation Ice Lake Chips
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Less than zero benefit. I am constantly accidentally brushing the touchbar causing it to do stuff I don’t want to do. The presence of the touchbar actually makes the machine worse.
Actually, I’d prefer it just go away. But I don’t look at the keyboard when I type, so putting information there, or putting control services there that don’t stay in one place and which offer no tactile feedback, is a terrible idea.
I’ve not yet owned a Mac laptop that has the Touch Bar. I’m definitely buying this 13.3” MacBook Pro (if it has 32RAM). I look forward to trying out the Touch Bar for myself. I think they’ve made a great improvement in bringing back the escape key. That seemed to be most people problem with it.
I just returned my 16" inch i bought a few days ago. I mainly bought it for the keyboard, but soon to realize it was the big screen i did not like at all. So I am currently going to wait for the newly updated 13" inch.
Exactly! I say - put it IN the track pad... then you can figure out some way to trigger the touch bar in the trackpad instead of just normal trackpad-y things. Other laptop builders are trying to do the same thing. Apple should be able to do it better.
The screen was amazing and the bezels were slim, but i put portability into my decision too. It was just a big laptop and not ideal when im traveling.
The speed was amazing on it and I actually miss using it. Now im just waiting for the next one.Ah, I see.
if they still sold a 17” I’d buy it
You are now dangerously close to a touch screen Mac and Apple cannot allow that.
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If they approached a 17” MacBook Pro with an eye towards making it around the same size as the previous model, they could support a 3840x2400 screen, possibly 128GB of DRAM and maybe a 16GB GPU. The biggest issue would be ports since the added size practically begs for a few more ports to be added. Personally, I would like to see either a 3x3 or 4x2 of TB3 on something that big. My last 17” was an early 2009 and replaced by a mid-2012 15” Retina MacBook Pro. I miss the size, but not the weight or the bulk, but that’s just part of the compromise.Ah, I see.
if they still sold a 17” I’d buy it
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Since they wouldn’t need the big bezels, presumably a new 17” could be a bit lighter than the old one.
The 16”, in my limited usage of it, brings back a lot of that old feel, but I wish the native resolution were higher.
IMHO, I think two things prevent them from reintroducing a 17”-18”-ish MacBook Pro. One is they think the market is too small for Apple to bother (which irritates me to no end) and two, I think they are dissatisfied with the GPU performance driving a 4K+ built-in display along with the battery drain.
I can understand not making a mini-Mac Pro or a Mac mini Pro, but with Apple’s emphasis on mobile, a 17” makes more sense to most of us, except Apple.
Yep. That’s why I’m thrilled that they at least gave us a 16”.
I’ll take what i can get. Just waiting for the first spec bump - no point in me buying before they add intel 10th gen/wifi 6.
It’s a failure because it adds several hundred dollars to the machine and has the same utility as keyboard shortcuts.
i’m sure many many many many many people would prefer to buy a machine without a touch bar for several hundred dollars less.
In my view, that makes it a failure/waste
Have to disagree about the amount of added cost for the TouchBar. Apple stopped selling an iGPU version of the 15” MacBook Pro with the 2015 model, which prevents direct comparison on pricing, although Apple seems to be quite fond of charging for a discrete GPU in their laptops (Vega 20 +$350 anyone?)
I would be surprised if the TouchBar adds more than $100 to the actual cost of the MacBook Pro at this point, especially considering the fact that Apple sells the base 2019 13” MacBook Pro with the TouchBar for $1299, which is the same price as the 2015 13” MacBook Pro with 8GB/128GB when it went on sale.
Also, even if Apple sold a TouchBar-less version of the 13” or 16” version of the MBP they wouldn’t knock it down several hundred dollars. I sincerely doubt Apple would reduce the price one red cent.
I highly doubt that it adds “hundreds of dollars” to the price. I bet it’s only $50 (and for that price, I think I’ll be happy to have it).
I am a touch typist but I currently hit the function keys so infrequently that I look every time I use them anyway. Thus it won’t take me any longer than usual when I want to use the touch bar.
I can think of a few.
1) macOS possibly being optimised for intel processors
2) Final Cut Pro using intel quick sync
3) thunderbolt 3 (not wishing to waste space adding extra chips to support it)
4) possibly existing contracts?
5) Apple could be betting that AMD being better than intel is just a generational thing and intel might leapfrog them in the next iteration, so it’s not worth switching
Unless the disparity in performance is such a no-brainer, Apple tends to be more conservative about such things.
No, the 2015 Core i5 2.9GHz 8GB/512GB was $1799 USD. Jumping $200 for the 2016 2.9GHz 8GB/512GB is not “so high”. Apple wanted to move the ASP up slightly on all MBPs and did, but the Touch Bar did not add several hundred dollars to the cost of the MBP, it is simply the scapegoat.
Source: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2015...-MacBook-Pro-with-Retina-Display-MacBook-Air/
You said: "Jumping $200"
I said the cost was "several hundred dollars" more because of the TB.
200 is more than 100, so maybe you somewhat agree.
Also, re: "scapegoat:"
Let's see, it's an OLED screen (now with TrueTone!), run by a separate OS (bridgeOS) and responsible for other actions, such as encrypting data on the fly, so SSD's remain zippy.
But I guess you're right (or your general idea is right) and the cost of the TB is negligible and it's being used as a "scapegoat" for Apple's price increase.
Come on. The $200 premium (or more) is because of a product that perhaps nobody was asking for and whose utility is limited to keyboard shortcuts
Sounds like a real winner!
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I thought Radeon 7 brought about 7nm GPUs a year ago and more recently the Zen 2 CPUs were 7nm and that was a big part of the reason they've been kicking Intel's ass? But yeah, I was wrong about 10nm. For some reason I thought that was coming out at the end of this year. To be fair, all of 2019 was a blurry hazy fog to me for a number of reasons and I don't remember much of it. Sometimes I feel like I've lost a year of my life. But I think I was also getting confused since they released the stop-gap chips recently, at least for desktop with the 10 in their name and I thought this was that. Having these at least be on 10nm makes me much less reluctant to get a MacBook Pro once they're updated—mainly from a heat and battery performance standpoint, but also from possibly having a longer window for turbo.
I have to say the 16" really appeals to me as my eyes age a little more real estate plus a bigger full screen display would be terrific but the keyboard is a big issue for me as it has been noted by others.
I am currently using a 13" 2015 MBPr with the 2.9 Ghz Dual-Core Intel Core i5 an 8Gb RAM running Catalina.
I resisted upgrading to the 2018 model because I did not like the keyboard action and I wanted to keep my Micro SD card reader + USB + HDMI ports so it was a great relief to hear Apple had decided to go back to the scissor action.
As Kabeyun said, I don't care about the touch bar (my wife has one on her 2018 MBP) it works fine and I would probably use it but not a must. My Apple Watch unlocks my MBP and approves actions so touch ID is nominal.
I am currently using a 13" 2015 MBPr with the 2.9 Ghz Dual-Core Intel Core i5 an 8Gb RAM running Catalina.
I resisted upgrading to the 2018 model because I did not like the keyboard action and I wanted to keep my Micro SD card reader + USB + HDMI ports so it was a great relief to hear Apple had decided to go back to the scissor action.
As Kabeyun said, I don't care about the touch bar (my wife has one on her 2018 MBP) it works fine and I would probably use it but not a must. My Apple Watch unlocks my MBP and approves actions so touch ID is nominal.