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if they couldn't fit a 1080p sensor in then that's a problem Apple created themselves. and if these laptops have a MiniLED display then i guess i'm not buying them.
Care to elaborate why you wouldn't buy a MiniLED Macbook Pro. Not as ideal as having an OLED option to some users like myself, but their Liquid Retina XDR MiniLED panels are way better than what Macbooks ship with now.
 
150 comments on a 1080p camera? Popular topic. Unless of course it’s because it’s the only thing posted today and we need to say something, like me right now.
 
Please list the services where you stream your webcam in 1080p. I'll wait.

Hint: none.

I fully understand you could conceivably use webcam for local recording, but people doing serious recording aren't using a built-in camera. The webcam is for streaming, and most streaming services are going to flux between 240p and 720p at an absolutely maximum.

I'm all for having a better image quality (better sensor, more light), but 1080p resolution specifically is absolutely meaningless for Facetime and all of your other video conferencing.

Sincerely,
Senior Developer for a major video conferencing company

Right, but complaining about meaningless specs is basically the point of this forum, lol.
 
Apple is stifling innovation.

A consumer electronics company bringing their central chip production in house/M series SOC chip says hello.

The 1/9th of the PC market is stifling innovation? Just shuttin right down, right? Fyi, what you want isn't innovation, it's what you want. Don't confuse the two. But if you don't like Apple's "stifling" then go the myriad of other providers. That'll teach Apple you mean business!
 
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This is an unnecessary article. What technology that was introduced in a Apple product DIDN'T eventually make it across the product line to other products?
  • The LIDAR introduced in the iPad Pro eventually made its way to the iPhones
  • The ProMotion display technology, also introduced in the iPad Pro, will make its way to this year's iPhone (it was supposed to come out last year, but you know, COVID-19 happened and delayed it)
  • TouchID and FaceID, introduced in the iPhones, eventually was ported over to not only the iPad, but also the redesigned M1 iMac.
So, there is historical precedence for Apple introducing a feature in 1 product, only to bring it across to their other products in due time. The 1080p camera is no exception. So, it makes sense. In addition, the webcam is a commodity item that, thankfully, isn't in short supply, unlike the silicon, so, they can bring across to their MBPs and MBA, without delay.

I am for one, excited to ditch workaround workflows that consist of using my iPhone's camera as my webcam through software such as Camo Studio. It is a hassle and isn't as elegant of a solution as just natively using the built-in webcam for meetings.

If OEMs just upgraded the cameras from potato-cam to iPhone-equivalents, we wouldn't have to develop/resort to workarounds like Camo Studio, and Zoom meetings would've been much more pleasant during the pandemic.

Every other specification on computers got improved except the webcam, over the years, which is surprising....
  • CPUs obviously got better
  • RAM went from DDR2 > DDR3 > DDR4 > even DDR5 RAM is out on the market now
  • Storage went from spinning and often unreliable HDDs to SSDs and now, NVMe-based SSDs
  • Displays: higher resolution, faster response times, higher contrast...
It's crazy that webcams until push came to shove, remained stuck at potato-cam levels until now...hopefully, we will see a jump in quality in a short period of time: from 720 > 1080 (this year), and then quickly, to 4K, and hopefully, then to 4K HDR...as everything related to video, is slowly transitioning over to HDR...

I am sure that with the same Apple Silicon architecture powering their desktops, laptops, and mobile devices, that putting a 4K webcam into the laptops won't be as difficult. They already did it on their iPhones, now, it is only a matter of porting it to their MacBooks. The hard work of powering and processing the data has already been done. My guess? In 2024, we will see the first MacBooks with 4K HDR webcams, where 4K HDR will become commonplace by then.
 
Every other specification on computers got improved except the webcam, over the years, which is surprising....
  • CPUs obviously got better
  • RAM went from DDR2 > DDR3 > DDR4 > even DDR5 RAM is out on the market now
  • Storage went from spinning and often unreliable HDDs to SSDs and now, NVMe-based SSDs
  • Displays: higher resolution, faster response times, higher contrast...

Most of those are chips. They can shrink the process node, fit more transistors in the same space, produce less heat, and therefore make them faster and more versatile.

Shrinking an optical sensor is quite a different beast. So no, not surprising.
 
I don't understand why it's impossible to add the same assembly as the iPhone 12 front facing camera to a computer.
 
I don't understand why it's impossible to add the same assembly as the iPhone 12 front facing camera to a computer.

Because the lid of a MacBook is about 2mm, whereas an iPhone has about 7mm. When you have three and a half times as much room, you can place much nicer optics in there.
 
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I think this should be reason enough to call it the MacBook Pro HD and increase the prices by at least 100 USD.

And in the following year they could also implement FaceID. Step by step to charge even more for so much innovation!
 
if they couldn't fit a 1080p sensor in then that's a problem Apple created themselves. and if these laptops have a MiniLED display then i guess i'm not buying them.
I mean it's not like companies have been putting 1080p to 4k sensors in thinner phones for years or anything.
 
Wait, I thought M1 chip made better cameras obsolete
My awful webcam is in an Intel 2020 Air. The webcam in my late-2013 MBP is much better.

The webcam in the new M1 Airs is the same crappy one I have, but there's some M1-magic that's meant to help it work better in low light. I've not seen one in person but reviews do say it makes a slight difference.
 
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