Upcoming 2018 iPad Pro Could Be 5.9mm Thick With No Headphone Jack

[KPandian1]

What are you talking about? All batteries deteriorate, it's simple physics. All phones experience the same behavior. Even Samsung forces users to replace the battery. https://us.community.samsung.com/t5...rged-battery/m-p/250127/highlight/true#M19950

I am talking about how - Apple didn't tell us to replace the batteries, as they should have done. That is the complaint. $30-60 battery vs $700 replacement. Instead, they surreptitiously slowed down the OS as the battery dropped below a certain level.

Yeah, I know about iPhone 5S - that is the issue! A company that did so well resorted to the tactics it did with the 7 onwards, including the battery.

"Complaining about it still isn't really helping things. Really you have two options. Either you embrace it or vote with your money to a different product."

Only these two options! Are reading the sentence as you write them? Protests vary, pal, depending on the wanted outcome. Not some formula to jump ship at the slightest conflict.

PS: I use my iPhone 5S as of now - bought it new at the end of its cycle, with AC.

 

[farewelwilliams]

I am talking about how - Apple didn't tell us to replace the batteries, as they should have done. That is the complaint. $30-60 battery vs $700 replacement. Instead, they surreptitiously slowed down the OS as the battery dropped below a certain level.

Sure, I would have loved if Apple told us too. I believe this was during the time when Note 7's were exploding, so Apple deliberately chose to avoid references to any sort of battery issues. Regardless, their CPU throttling is still the right decision. Their communication should have be done differently, sure.

Yeah, I know about iPhone 5S - that is the issue! A company that did so well resorted to the tactics it did with the 7 onwards, including the battery.

I don't understand. What's the issue with the 5S? I'm saying 5S still gets yearly iOS updates which is a counter-argument to your idea of Apple being super greedy.

"Complaining about it still isn't really helping things. Really you have two options. Either you embrace it or vote with your money to a different product."

Only these two options! Are reading the sentence as you write them? Protests vary, pal, depending on the wanted outcome. Not some formula to jump ship at the slightest conflict.

PS: I use my iPhone 5S as of now - bought it new at the end of its cycle, with AC.

You're still protesting after Apple has released 6 new phones without a headphone jack. Do you honestly think that protesting and writing complaints on messages boards is going to change Apple's mind? No. You vote with your money. If enough people start buying Android devices because of the lack of a headphone jack, then Apple would change their minds. This is why I'm telling people to switch to Android. That's the only way Apple will see that the headphone jack is important and possibly it might bring it back.


I personally would just embrace wireless audio. The experience is far better compared to wired and soon you'll forget about it. It's just like that time people wanted Flash for iPads. People keep buying iPads even after so many people complain that it doesn't do Flash. Today, you don't hear people complaining about Flash anymore.

 

[InuNacho]

No, it's not dumb. If you really need a MagSafe-like adapter, there's one for USB-C (I think Griffin makes one). Plenty of benefits of USB-C charging over MagSafe.

So losing a port or the only port if you're on a Macbook is supposedly a better alternative than Magsafe?

 

[farewelwilliams]

So losing a port or the only port if you're on a Macbook is supposedly a better alternative than Magsafe?

USB-C allows third party companies to create a MagSafe-like cable.
USB-C allows you to use an external battery to charge MacBook instead of finding a table at Starbucks for an open outlet. This can also prevent anyone from tripping on your wire.
USB-C allows you to charge on the right side of the MacBook instead of only on the left (my MagSafe 1 cable frayed because my outlet is on the right side of the table but my Macbook is on the left.
USB-C allows you to buy a cheaper AC adapter from third parties instead of only sticking with Apple's adapter.
USB-C allows you to connect a monitor and it'll act as if you connected a USB-Hub (ports on the back of the monitor), a charger, and a monitor cable all in one connection which frees up other ports.

USB-C is a better port than a MagSafe port.

 

[Abazigal]

Telling people to leave Apple because they dare criticize the products is like asking people to move abroad because they don't like the President or the administration.

A better analogy might be asking someone to try eating at another restaurant if they don’t like the food at the current one. The switching costs certainly aren’t as high as asking someone to uproot themselves and migrate to a new country. After all, to many, “it’s just a phone”.

It’s not about the criticism. Past a certain point, if you are unhappy with the direction Apple is headed with their products, why continue using them, especially when it’s clear that they are unlikely to walk back on any of these decisions? Otherwise, critics sound like jilted lovers past a a certain point. They aren’t helping the current situation with their acerbic words, they aren’t helping themselves, so what’s the point really, other than just creating a more toxic environment for everyone involved.

 

[InuNacho]

USB-C allows third party companies to create a MagSafe-like cable.

Apple patented the Magsafe but third party ones have existed out there for years and you could always buy $20-30 official ones off of ebay to begin with.

USB-C allows you to use an external battery to charge MacBook instead of finding a table at Starbucks for an open outlet. This can also prevent anyone from tripping on your wire.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076DXWPH...subtag=AgEAAAAAAAAAAQh0AAAAAGMsen4AAAAAW86Iag

USB-C allows you to charge on the right side of the MacBook instead of only on the left (my MagSafe 1 cable frayed because my outlet is on the right side of the table but my Macbook is on the left.

Extension cables have existed for decades.

USB-C allows you to buy a cheaper AC adapter from third parties instead of only sticking with Apple's adapter.

Unless you're going for bargain bin chinese junk, $30 for an official one from ebay is a pretty good deal.

USB-C allows you to connect a monitor and it'll act as if you connected a USB-Hub (ports on the back of the monitor), a charger, and a monitor cable all in one connection which frees up other ports.

Or you could have Magsafe and you'd still have your other ports.

USB-C is a better port than a MagSafe port.

For delivering power without spending extra money, no.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Apple patented the Magsafe but third party ones have existed out there for years and you could always buy $20-30 official ones off of ebay to begin with.

And? I think you just proved my point here. There's no need for MagSafe if you can grab one like these https://griffintechnology.com/breaksafe-magnetic-usb-c-power-cable

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076DXWPH...subtag=AgEAAAAAAAAAAQh0AAAAAGMsen4AAAAAW86Iag

I actually bought one similar to this for my MacBook 2012. I couldn't use it since 1) didn't fit in my backpack and 2) even if I was able to bring it, my MacBook + this battery + Apple charger wouldn't all fit on the Starbucks table.

Extension cables have existed for decades.

That would mean I need to leave the brick on the table which defeats the purpose of me running the cable through the cable hole organizer of my table. Doesn't work for me.

Unless you're going for bargain bin chinese junk, $30 for an official one from ebay is a pretty good deal.

You do know that most of them are fake right? Bought a couple of them already and had to return them. If you plug in your MagSafe and the light immediately turns on, you got duped. Those are prone to fire hazards.

Or you could have Magsafe and you'd still have your other ports.

Or I can just plug in one thing and I'm ready to work on my two external monitors + EGPU for the next 8 hours at the office.

For delivering power without spending extra money, no.

MacBooks come with a USB-C charger. So you're completely wrong there.

 

[amegicfox]

don't make it thinner, make it LIGHTER

 

[KPandian1]

I don't understand. What's the issue with the 5S? I'm saying 5S still gets yearly iOS updates which is a counter-argument to your idea of Apple being super greedy.

I don't have an issue with iPhone 5S - on the contrary. I also mentioned that I still use one.

As for the audio jack, that complaint will be on - it is not the optical disc equivalent. Apple still includes the jack in the iPod, MacBooks and iMac lines. Why didn't Apple show its "courage" in all their products.

I am not against BT headphones - they were available even before the audio jack was removed. It was always a choice, made better with the very good AirPods. There was no point in removing the audio jack - and the protesting fanboys sound like the proverbial dog in a manger.

 

[farewelwilliams]

I don't have an issue with iPhone 5S - on the contrary. I also mentioned that I still use one.

As for the audio jack, that complaint will be on - it is not the optical disc equivalent. Apple still includes the jack in the iPod, MacBooks and iMac lines. Why didn't Apple show its "courage" in all their products.

I am not against BT headphones - they were available even before the audio jack was removed. It was always a choice, made better with the very good AirPods. There was no point in removing the audio jack - and the protesting fanboys sound like the proverbial dog in a manger.

the iPod Touch was last updated months before the 6S came out (which still had the headphone jack).

regarding Mac: there is a combination of small reasons that tell me why Apple is still keeping them:
1. you don't gain much battery life from removing the headphone jack and filling that space with battery because intel chips are power hungry.

2. there are still bezels/room in these products, which means it isn't a huge challenge in keeping the headphone jack in the design.

3. desktop speakers generally are assigned to one computer. you're not constantly unplugging the desktop speakers to plug into your iPhone for example. this 1-to-1 relationship between the computer and the speakers means it makes sense to keep the headphone jack. asking users to switch to wireless desktop speakers doesn't make sense. why would you pair with desktop speakers every morning when you turn on the Mac mini?

4. large chunk of the Mac users are pro-audio users. looking at how they use a Mac for audio production (spending 8-14 hours working with audio every day), wired headphones make more sense than wireless in these situations. of course, some pro-audio users probably wouldn't use the headphone jack and instead use their own DACs and pre-amps, but if you include similar users such as film makers, a headphone jack makes sense to them.

5. an adapter would use one of the usb ports. generally with iOS devices, you don't need to use a port (except when charging). but with Mac users, USB ports are essential to a lot of use cases of the Mac.

i'm not saying Macs will never get rid of the headphone jack. i could definitely see the new Macbook removing it first. followed by the MacBook Pros. hard to see future Mac minis and Mac Pros removing them soon. iMacs would need built in speakers that sound just as good as HomePod before they remove the port, but could also see them including one more USB-C port and a headphone adapter (though that's sort of a lose-lose situation).

 

[AZ63]

That would mean I need to leave the brick on the table which defeats the purpose of me running the cable through the cable hole organizer of my table. Doesn't work for me.

It sounds like the reason you are against the comment is that it goes against your convenience and how you use it.
Wow! Just like the reason why people write about their displeasure with Apple's decisions. I get it. Your inconvenience is valid while others having to deal with inconvenience is baseless and wrong and they should shut up, grin and bear it, or move along. Either way don't say anything against your beloved Apple.
Amazing, just amazing.

 

[farewelwilliams]

It sounds like the reason you are against the comment is that it goes against your convenience and how you use it.
Wow! Just like the reason why people write about their displeasure with Apple's decisions. I get it. Your inconvenience is valid while others having to deal with inconvenience is baseless and wrong and they should shut up, grin and bear it, or move along. Either way don't say anything against your beloved Apple.
Amazing, just amazing.

my point has always been that Apple thinks about what's BETTER for the user experience. not needing an extension cable is BETTER for the user experience. not having the power cable fray is BETTER. this means using USB-C ports to charge is BETTER for UX. just like how going wireless for portable audio is BETTER than using the headphone jack.

get it? good. i'm going to assume you agree to my other points since you don't seem to have a rebuttal for.

you seem dead set on Apple sacrificing UX for greed and i've given you many reasons why it's completely false which you seem to never want to change your mind regardless of what i say. feel free to reply, but i'm not going to read any further replies from you.

 

[Naimfan]

my point has always been that Apple thinks about what's BETTER for the user experience.

And has, since the introduction of the MP 6,1, consistently made it WORSE hardware-wise on the Mac side. You're of course welcome to your own opinion, but the fact of the matter is that Apple has made Macs less capable over time, hence worsening the user experience.

 

[farewelwilliams]

And has, since the introduction of the MP 6,1, consistently made it WORSE hardware-wise on the Mac side. You're of course welcome to your own opinion, but the fact of the matter is that Apple has made Macs less capable over time, hence worsening the user experience.

i think you missed an important phrase from what I said

my point has always been that APPLE THINKS about what's BETTER for the user experience.

for example, Apple thought the 2013 Mac Pro design would improve UX. clearly the resulting product didn't improve UX overall.

regardless, that's slightly going off topic. the original point that they were saying was that "Apple removed headphone jack primarily to drive the sales of AirPods" which i think is false. the primary reason for making those design decisions is to decide what they think is better for the UX. once they solve that, THEN they charge a ton of money.

 

[AZ63]

my point has always been that Apple thinks about what's BETTER for the user experience. not needing an extension cable is BETTER for the user experience. not having the power cable fray is BETTER. this means using USB-C ports to charge is BETTER for UX. just like how going wireless for portable audio is BETTER than using the headphone jack.

get it? good. i'm going to assume you agree to my other points since you don't seem to have a rebuttal for.

you seem dead set on Apple sacrificing UX for greed and i've given you many reasons why it's completely false which you seem to never want to change your mind regardless of what i say. feel free to reply, but i'm not going to read any further replies from you.

Well, I was not the person you were going back and forth with though we did have a couple of previous exchanges. I just saw this last post of yours and mostly we agree. We both believe Apple does what it believes is best. We just disagree on what "best" is. What is best for you may not be best for others. Also, I would say we agree to disagree on the role of Apple's earnings have on their product decisions. You seem to think Apple completely disregards the financial impact when creating UX and I believe it most definitely does impact design decisions. Finally, you using and loving wireless audio on a device with a headphone jack has no impact on your UX. Using wired headphones on a device without a headphone jack does impact UX. Your opinion on what is best is just that, an opinion. It is not a fact. It is your preference.
In the end, Apple makes the device so use it or not. But certainly, people don't have to shut up about it.

 

[I7guy]

Well, I was not the person you were going back and forth with though we did have a couple of previous exchanges. I just saw this last post of yours and mostly we agree. We both believe Apple does what it believes is best. We just disagree on what "best" is. What is best for you may not be best for others. Also, I would say we agree to disagree on the role of Apple's earnings have on their product decisions. You seem to think Apple completely disregards the financial impact when creating UX and I believe it most definitely does impact design decisions. Finally, you using and loving wireless audio on a device with a headphone jack has no impact on your UX. Using wired headphones on a device without a headphone jack does impact UX. Your opinion on what is best is just that, an opinion. It is not a fact. It is your preference.
In the end, Apple makes the device so use it or not. But certainly, people don't have to shut up about it.

Apple, imo, is not profits first. It's customers first and profits second. The profits come from customers buying their products, producing the right balance of product for the consumer and producing a product people want to buy from a company that believes the customer experience is first. (all imo)

 

[AZ63]

Apple, imo, is not profits first. It's customers first and profits second. The profits come from customers buying their products, producing the right balance of product for the consumer and producing a product people want to buy from a company that believes the customer experience is first. (all imo)

I get what you are saying, we just disagree. I think Apple's business model is to create great products that are compelling to the consumer but buying in means you pay more and are encouraged to spend more based on their design choices. That is fine. It is their choice and consumers can choose to buy or not.

 

[I7guy]

I get what you are saying, we just disagree. I think Apple's business model is to create great products that are compelling to the consumer but buying in means you pay more and are encouraged to spend more based on their design choices. That is fine. It is their choice and consumers can choose to buy or not.

Even the drug companies, which get the worst rap on the face of the earth aren’t profit first. They set out to solve a problem, ie cure cancer, when the drug is ready for market the price is obvious it’s “profits first”, but that’s not where it started out.