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Like the garbage dump that’s macOS, you say?

Just user other apps then. As long as there’s an Apple App Store, you have choice. Nobody‘s forcing anyone to use an app that’s not available through Apple.

I get what you’re saying but we both know that in reality not having a choice isn’t really a choice.
Currently nobody is forced to sue the App Store. Customers are free not to use it.
 
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Why? I could see it eventually heading that direction but these types of equipment are in a whole different use ballpark.

I guess I'm interested to see how these devices will be distinguished from phones in law.

For instance, if it's phones only, are the iPad and iPod touch exempt from side loading?

If it's any "general purpose computer" then do smartphones count? If yes, does the Apple Watch?

If it's all mobile computers, is the Switch caught in up the legislation?

If, to gain exemption, the primary purpose of the device has to be gaming, who decides the primary purpose of the device? Is iPod touch exempt?
 
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For those of you wanting sideloading. Why did you not purchase an android device?
Because android devices SUUUCK. They look ugly as hell and don‘t perform as well as iOS.

Sideloading isn‘t something that is exclusive to Android. I use sideloaded apps daily on my iPhone, including a open source mod for YouTube that disables ads and automatically skips sponsor segments.

I‘ve never had any issues with it, and i‘ve been doing it for years. Only issue is that the apps expire after 1 week and have to be resigned. So it‘s really just a major inconvenience factor.

I don‘t get why people buy into the idea of a company telling THEM what to do. Users should always have the choice to do whatever the hell they want with the hardware they purchased.
 
Because android devices SUUUCK. They look ugly as hell and don‘t perform as well as iOS.

Sideloading isn‘t something that is exclusive to Android. I use sideloaded apps daily on my iPhone, including a open source mod for YouTube that disables ads and automatically skips sponsor segments.

I‘ve never had any issues with it, and i‘ve been doing it for years. Only issue is that the apps expire after 1 week and have to be resigned. So it‘s really just a major inconvenience factor.

I don‘t get why people buy into the idea of a company telling THEM what to do. Users should always have the choice to do whatever the hell they want with the hardware they purchased.
I bet 99% of the pressure from nerds that Apple has to allow sideloading would go away if they would just allow retro game system emulators. Most of the people I know who want to sideload on iOS do it for emulators.
 
So the EU is telling Apple it is not allowed to make iPhones anymore, but should sell instead Android phones.

Maybe Apple should indeed make cheap Android phones for Europe and iPhone’s for the rest of the world.
 
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So the EU is telling Apple it is not allowed to make iPhones anymore, but should sell instead Android phones.
The EU is making no requirements about the brand/type of operating system (iOS or Android) they're supplying.
 
Well, I for one would like the ability to customize my iPhone. I think Apple could still maintain security without an issue. I jail broke for more than 10 years and never had an issue with malware or problems.
Apple can give access to those who desire it and still maintain a very locked down system.

I think Apple not making this option available was a mistake and has driven governments to get involved which is gonna be a larger mistake for them in my humble opinion.
 
I've sideloaded tons of apps on Android and never had a issue. It's Apple fearmongering to keep their 30%, if they really cared about security they wouldn't allow MacOS sideloading.
 
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YES. I like my iPhone BECAUSE OF its restrictions, not IN SPITE of them.

Dear lawmakers: leave my phones alone. If you want sideloading, GTFO and buy an Android. We don't care.
Clearly you care because you demand them leaving your specific iPhone alone. Oh wait, you mean their decision? Well, lawmakers certainly care so they propose sideloading. What gives? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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I don't see the problem, those that want to side load, then just side load, those that just want to use the Apple App Store, then, just use it. Although I wouldn't use side loading on my iPhone, I have used open source on the multitude of Android devices I have had, I never had a problem. To much pearl clutching going on.
 
Clearly you care because you demand them leaving your specific iPhone alone. Oh wait, you mean their decision? Well, lawmakers certainly care so they propose sideloading. What gives? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
i have never understood the refusal to allow sideloading as they "loose" the closed garden somehow.

an app removed from the iOS App Store and only sold on the play store is exactly the same as an iOS app sold in a different store instead of the App Store.

Same result, only difference one can still access the app
 
Because android devices SUUUCK. They look ugly as hell and don‘t perform as well as iOS.

That's a negative, in just every subjective part of your sentence.

Sideloading isn‘t something that is exclusive to Android. I use sideloaded apps daily on my iPhone, including a open source mod for YouTube that disables ads and automatically skips sponsor segments.

That's not sideloading by it's very definition. You need to load new, full apps from outside of the apple App store for it to be considered sideloading.
 
i have never understood the refusal to allow sideloading as they "loose" the closed garden somehow.

an app removed from the iOS App Store and only sold on the play store is exactly the same as an iOS app sold in a different store instead of the App Store.

Same result, only difference one can still access the app
1. Apps on both platforms do not need to be exactly the same. They just need to adhere to the policies set out on each platform.

2. What about apps that have been removed from both app stores due to their data collection policies, malware or identity theft? They would also need to be allowed.

3. How about software piracy?

If side-loading becomes the new normal, installing apps from external sources would also become the norm and we're left with a warning button, whos' meaning becomes worthless.

Remember when you HAD to ignore all the installation warnings on Windows in order to install software). People became numb to them FAST or not at all. Both scenarios were equally a strain on tech-support. On one hand you had to walk people through ignoring warnings so their software worked and on the other try to tell them not to allow stuff they didn't understand so they didn't install malware.
 
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i have never understood the refusal to allow sideloading as they "loose" the closed garden somehow.

an app removed from the iOS App Store and only sold on the play store is exactly the same as an iOS app sold in a different store instead of the App Store.

Same result, only difference one can still access the app
I have never understood why people consider apple have the government forcing sideloading a good thing. There is already a platform that does what you want. It has all of the innovations you seek, all of the customizations you want on iOS.
 
Don't care about the security of their users? That isn't a good look.
Yes. Rather than spending the time and effort to lock it down, Apple is letting MacOs into the wild west due to the ratio of ios devices to MacOS devices. Whether you think it's a good look or not is not relevant. What is relevant is the what does the potential customer think.
 
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Yes. Rather than spending the time and effort to lock it down, Apple is letting MacOs into the wild west due to the ratio of ios devices to MacOS devices. Whether you think it's a good look or not is not relevant. What is relevant is the what does the potential customer think.

I am a customer I own a Mac and an iPhone.

As @vikingjunior pointed out Apple is clearly just trying to protect their 30% cut here.
 
I am a customer I own a Mac and an iPhone.

As @vikingjunior pointed out Apple is clearly just trying to protect their 30% cut here.
They are going to do that regardless. Their platform fee is 27%. It's their platform and a dev could simply go to where sideloading is the norm, innovation is the norm, the hardware is better etc. That platform exists today. It's called android.
 
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