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Updated Mac Pro Benchmarks and Video of Internals
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Nope! Not a 2009 model! Not this kid! 2008 is good value though and you can NOT beat the prices even with a roll-your-own system (if you match the parts exactly). 2006 and 2007 are the same! A very good value!
2009... What the hell happened? MP went from being a good deal to probably one of the worst deals ever.
Well, I dunno, in 2006 BoXX wanted $35,000 or something terribly close to that for the exact same spec 3.0 that Apple was selling for $3,300. So maybe that's "the worst deal ever" - but 2009 MP's are pretty bad...
thats true, but apple has always had a premium. there is an economic crisis and they need to keep making profits
what i dont get is some of the people on here complain about the prices, yet they still go and buy one.. then keep whinging..confused.
Nope! Not a 2009 model! Not this kid! 2008 is good value though and you can NOT beat the prices even with a roll-your-own system (if you match the parts exactly). 2006 and 2007 are the same! A very good value!
2009... What the hell happened? MP went from being a good deal to probably one of the worst deals ever.
Well, I dunno, in 2006 BoXX wanted $35,000 or something terrible close to that for the exact same spec 3.0 that Apple was selling for $3,300. So maybe that's "the worst deal ever" - but 2009 MP's are pretty bad...
ahh you have a 2008, thats ok then haha.
i guess its just from the current status of the world.. i guess we will never know.. maybe they are getting greedy??
Actually, mine is a 2006 model I changed from 2 dual core 2.66 xeons to 2 quad core 2.66 xeons. I should probably upgrade to a 2008 model though. But I wanna wait still a bit to see if/when there will be 12 or 16 core systems available. We can actually do 12-core right now with the 7400 series xeons. I had thought that Apple would offer a model based on those - maybe still - later this year. <shrug>
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i actually knew you had the 2006... reading the temperature thread.. my brain just has trouble making links haha!!
nice to see your 'reusing' older hardware, would save a TON of dough!
a 12-core/16-core (theyr physical arent they?) would be lovely, albeit expensive. if we're complaining about the price now of the 8-core, imagine the price tag on a model thats higher then the current top-spec..hahaha
Actually I did the upgrade almost immediately after I purchased the MP as a quad back in late '06. I found the X5355's for like $800 each and the X5150's were selling on Yahoo Auctions for like $700 so for $200 all total I got 4 extra cores. I think I ran the system as a quad for like 4 months or something?
http://www.buy.com/prod/6-core-xeon-x7460/q/loc/101/208409894.html I guess they have HT for a total of 24 virtual cores in a dual system. <shrug> haven't researched it yet. Someone here I'm sure knows.
today is a pretty bad day for me.. i keep making the wrong assumptions!! *doh* wish i had moneys to buy stuff.
http://www.buy.com/prod/6-core-xeon-x7460/q/loc/101/208409894.html I guess they have HT for a total of 24 virtual cores in a dual system. <shrug> haven't researched it yet. Someone here I'm sure knows.[/QUOTE]
interesting. that thing would fly!!!! *googles*
I just wish I made more money with the machines I do have to afford and require those workstations.
Thanks guys. So I suppose 4 cores @ 3.33 GHz can happen, if the heat and power consumption allow that.
Yeah, those are the MP (4-8 CPU) versions. Really expensive but quite powerful. Per-CPU prices go almost twice as high as DP Xeons.
Every Mac Pro from the original 2006 2.66ghz has had slide out RAM. I can't understand why its suddenly relevant on the new models.
A poor upgrade for the cost.
Note - Compare the Octo 2.26 processor price to the Octo 2.93 processor price. The cost difference just for the processors (by the Intel cost chart you gave) is $2026 . I'm assuming that the 2.26 Octo Mac and the 2.93 Octo Mac are the same design except the processors yet their price difference is $2600. Apple having a 30% margin would make the $2026 part price difference about $2600.
My concern isn't as much the 2009 Mac Pros being internally price consistent, as the lack of price consistency of the CPU price points used between the 2008 and 2009 Mac Pros.
For the 2.26GHz 8-core Mac Pro:
In 2008, a Mac Pro with $797 worth of CPU (1 x 2.80GHz E5462) costs $2299.
In 2009, a Mac Pro with $746 worth of CPU (2 x 2.26GHz E5520) costs $3299.
Same CPU cost to Apple between 2008 and 2009, yet the 2009 model is priced $1000 higher. Is the 2009 model faster? Yes, most definitely. But that performance should have come for free, ie. without the $1000 price increase.
For the 2.93GHz 8-core Mac Pro:
In 2008, a Mac Pro with $2558 worth of CPU (2 x 3.20GHz X5482) costs $4399.
In 2009, a Mac Pro with $2772 worth of CPU (2 x 2.93GHz X5570) costs $5899.
Again, CPU cost to Apple is relatively in line with each other, yet overall Mac Pro pricing has increased $1000 from the 2008 to 2009 model.
Personally, I think Apple priced the 2008 models too low. After the 2008 models were introduced I did a brief search and no other big OEMs like Dell or HP seemed to be offering dual processor Xeon workstations with 1600MHz FSBs and 800MHz FB-DIMMs that were competitively priced with the Mac Pro. The best they could do was dual 1333MHz FSB Xeons with 667MHz FB-DIMM. Most likely the profit margin was too low for Apple with the 2008 models so the 2009 models had to be priced higher not only to pay for themselves, but also to help recover margins for the 2008 models.
actually i take that back, my RAM is 800MHz-system profiler just doesnt recognise it! no gripes about my system now
Wouldn't that be nice! 8 processors at 6 cores each and with HT.
Now that's something to actually drool about!96 virtual cores! Yaaah-Hooooo!
And at the current pricing that system would only cost you about $20K
Thanks. I have an external burner already.
What galls is having to use Windoze to author and proof the discs on a supposed cutting-edge and certainly overpriced machine.
I have an external Blu-ray burner already. If everytime YOU needed to author, proof, and burn a disc or do a task that should be incorporated in the OS by now, you had to go to Windoze programs to do it, perhaps you'd understand.
Apple charges a premium for supposedly being cutting edge; that's absolute misrepresentation until they incorporate Blu-ray.
I have an external Blu-ray burner already. If everytime YOU needed to author, proof, and burn a disc or do a task that should be incorporated in the OS by now, you had to go to Windoze programs to do it, perhaps you'd understand.
Apple charges a premium for supposedly being cutting edge; that's absolute misrepresentation until they incorporate Blu-ray.
well you'll be repeating yourself a lot more over the next few years. apple WONT be incorporating BluRay for a good.... 3-4 years.
optical media is (slowly) being outdated. solid-state is the way to go. HD is the way to go. apple knows this. they are riding it out.
in 5 years we will be saying "pfft you have BluRay, how old!"
p.s. ever heard of multiquote?
I'm going for the 2.26, but want to load it up with 16 gig of ram for AE work.
Do I buy the base machine and chuck out out the 1 gig chips (sigh), then plop in 8x 2Gig DDR3's?
Could someone confirm how best to upgrade the Ram (cheaply) in the UK.
Many thanks.
Do I buy the base machine and chuck out out the 1 gig chips (sigh), then plop in 8x 2Gig DDR3's?
Could someone confirm how best to upgrade the Ram (cheaply) in the UK.
Many thanks.
Up to you. Right now 2GB sticks are going for $45 ~ $55 each in the USA - $65 if you get the exact same parts Apple uses. Apple wants $100 for each stick. Pick one.
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Wouldn't that be nice! 8 processors at 6 cores each and with HT.
96 virtual cores! Yaaah-Hooooo!
And at the current pricing that system would only cost you about $20K
The 7400 series hasn't gone Nehalem yet. I ordered two servers with the 7400 series in them. Cost you guys (Americans) 18k per server. 16 Core (no HT) 2.4 Ghz rig with 24GB of ram. It is pretty sweet. Now, for the price you paid, we could have gotten the same speed with 24 cores (at the time only the 16 core option existed).
thats true, but apple has always had a premium. there is an economic crisis and they need to keep making profits
what i dont get is some of the people on here complain about the prices, yet they still go and buy one.. then keep whinging..confused.
Well some people have a lot invested in software or still want to use OSX regardless but that doesn't mean they are happy about some of the issues, including price. The internet is meant for whinging!