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Excuse me? The information I gave was entirely factual. Consider yourself reported.

No he is correct you are wrong. Have you even tested betas in the past? Doesn't seem like it. GM don't appear OTA. You have to download the IPSW separately and install it via iTunes. You should report your own answer.

I've tested the iOS 6 betas so I know what I'm talking about.
 
No he is correct you are wrong. Have you even tested betas in the past? Doesn't seem like it. GM don't appear OTA. You have to download the IPSW separately and install it via iTunes. You should report your own answer.

I've tested the iOS 6 betas so I know what I'm talking about.

He's talking about beta to public release. Beta to GM is different because the GM is still technically a developer build and isn't publicly released. If you're running the beta and the public release is released, iTunes will find that there's a build number difference (as will your device) and you'll be able to update it through there (or OTA).
 
He's talking about beta to public release. Beta to GM is different because the GM is still technically a developer build and isn't publicly released. If you're running the beta and the public release is released, iTunes will find that there's a build number difference (as will your device) and you'll be able to update it through there (or OTA).
Is that the case for sure though? I've come across some things where at least for iOS 5 you couldn't really go from a beta to final (public) simply by checking for updates: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1248080/. Not quite sure about iOS 6 as a few threads I found about that didn't address that specific question.
 
Is that the case for sure though? I've come across some things where at least for iOS 5 you couldn't really go from a beta to final (public) simply by checking for updates: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1248080/. Not quite sure about iOS 6 as a few threads I found about that didn't address that specific question.

I don't see why it wouldn't be the case. iOS 5 was the first iOS version with OTA updates so perhaps it wasn't fetching the update properly or something.
 
So when we have the GM and say 7.0.1 comes out, that will be OTA for the GM users too? or just the people who got the public release?
 
So when we have the GM and say 7.0.1 comes out, that will be OTA for the GM users too? or just the people who got the public release?

Once the public release is out and it's found to have the same build number as the public release, it's no longer a GM; it's the public release. People seem to think that the GM and public release are two completely different software builds, but that's only the case if there is a build number difference which has only happened once or twice in the past since iOS 7 started.

So, to answer your question, yes, you'll receive the Ota to 7.0.1 because you'll have been running the public release of 7.0.
 
He's talking about beta to public release. Beta to GM is different because the GM is still technically a developer build and isn't publicly released. If you're running the beta and the public release is released, iTunes will find that there's a build number difference (as will your device) and you'll be able to update it through there (or OTA).

iOS 6 GM and release were the same, there's no updating people.

If you're on iOS 7 beta 4-5-6, you'll have to restore to get the GM/release version running.

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The public release will not appear as an update to the beta. You will need to download the .ipsw and update using iTunes.

Neither will the GM 'cause since iOS 4.3, the GM happened to be the exact same version as the release version.
 
He's talking about beta to public release. Beta to GM is different because the GM is still technically a developer build and isn't publicly released. If you're running the beta and the public release is released, iTunes will find that there's a build number difference (as will your device) and you'll be able to update it through there (or OTA).

I don't believe that is the case.

You cannot go from beta channel to release channel that way. You can shift-click update if you have the GM ipsw but as far as I recall, iTunes and OTA will not tell you there is a newer build available if you are running the beta.
 
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No he is correct you are wrong. Have you even tested betas in the past? Doesn't seem like it. GM don't appear OTA. You have to download the IPSW separately and install it via iTunes. You should report your own answer.

I've tested the iOS 6 betas so I know what I'm talking about.

Okay then.

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I don't believe that is the case.

You cannot go from beta channel to release channel that way. You can shift-click update if you have the GM ipsw but as far as I recall, iTunes and OTA will not tell you there is a newer build available if you are running the beta.

Seems ridiculous that they'd make you download the file rather than updating normally if you're running a beta. Seems far more logical that iTunes would see a build difference and offer it as an update whether that OTA or not. Apple being Apple, I can't see why they DON'T do that.
 
Okay then.

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Seems ridiculous that they'd make you download the file rather than updating normally if you're running a beta. Seems far more logical that iTunes would see a build difference and offer it as an update whether that OTA or not. Apple being Apple, I can't see why they DON'T do that.

That's the way it's always been for developers.

There's probably some limitation and of it was available OTA it would be an entire full release to replace all the beta code I'm presuming.

Downloading the GM file and updating manually is not a hard task if you are a developer.

The only people who complain about it seem to be non-developers who are going to have to search the internet for the GM and then manually update.
 
The only people who complain about it seem to be non-developers who are going to have to search the internet for the GM and then manually update.

Yeah, or you can just backup, restore, update, restore backup. Just takes a few extra steps than normal. If you're on iOS 7 Beta, back up to iTunes. Restore to 6.1.4/3. Check for updates. Update to iOS 7. Restore backup from iOS 7 beta.
 
The developer site addresses this issue.

"Devices updated to iOS beta can not be restored to earlier versions of iOS. Registered development devices will be able to upgrade to future beta releases and the final iOS software."
 
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Even if iOS 7 Beta would be able to upgrade to GM via OTA. It still would be smart to restore just to avoid any extra bugs.
 
Afaik GM is installed on the new devices. But what happens when GM and public release are different builds? Will there be an update for those devices?
 
The developer site addresses this issue.

"Devices updated to iOS beta can not be restored to earlier versions of iOS. Registered development devices will be able to upgrade to future beta releases and the final iOS software."
Except that it is well known that you can in fact restore to earlier versions of iOS (at least the current one that is still the official one that is out). Given that the very first statement is already false right away, not sure that everything/anything else can really be trusted there unfortunately.

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Afaik GM is installed on the new devices. But what happens when GM and public release are different builds? Will there be an update for those devices?
Yes.
 
The developer site addresses this issue.

"Devices updated to iOS beta can not be restored to earlier versions of iOS. Registered development devices will be able to upgrade to future beta releases and the final iOS software."

Correct, but it doesn't say whether this is an OTA update or not. I guess we'll see soon enough and some of us will look like idiots and others will look like geniuses. Until then no point in arguing any further...
 
How about no one in here knows? Stop all of this useless bickering and realize that just because something has been done in the past, doesn't make it a guarantee that it will happen again.

Sorry for the rant, but it seems like the second half of this thread was devoted to constant fighting back and forth about who is right and who is wrong.

To the OP, if history repeats itself then an OTA update won't be happening. That being said, anything could happen.
 
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How about no one in here knows? Stop all of this useless bickering and realize that just because something has been done in the past, doesn't make it a guarantee that it will happen again.

Sorry for the rant, but it seems like the second half of this thread was devoted to constant fighting back and forth about who is right and who is wrong.

To the OP, if history repeats itself then an OTA update won't be happening. That being said, anything could happen.
Applies to most discussions on this forum in particular...but, unfortunately, hasn't stopped those discussions from continuing or coming up again and again.
 
Applies to most discussions on this forum in particular...but, unfortunately, hasn't stopped those discussions from continuing or coming up again and again.

Yeah. I mean, I'm all in favor of discussing rumours and what not, but everyone has this I'm right you're wrong attitude.
 
He's talking about beta to public release. Beta to GM is different because the GM is still technically a developer build and isn't publicly released. If you're running the beta and the public release is released, iTunes will find that there's a build number difference (as will your device) and you'll be able to update it through there (or OTA).

No, to get out of beta, you will have to get the IPSW, like you would GM, as GM and public release will have the same build number. It has been this way for years, they are unlikely to suddenly change it with this version. The point is to clear off the beta OS, so no random hang ups carry over. Also beta 6 and GM will also have a build number difference, so you logic that's in bold does not hold water.
 
That's the way it's always been for developers.

There's probably some limitation and of it was available OTA it would be an entire full release to replace all the beta code I'm presuming.

Downloading the GM file and updating manually is not a hard task if you are a developer.

The only people who complain about it seem to be non-developers who are going to have to search the internet for the GM and then manually update.

That shouldn't be hard
 
So is it a bad idea for me to use an iOS 7 backup when I restore to the GM/Public release? If I should do a restore to the PR instead, how do I get all the data from my months worth of Beta's to my phone? Or is that not possible :(

(bring on the *****storm for not having a registered UDID and knowing the process).
 
So is it a bad idea for me to use an iOS 7 backup when I restore to the GM/Public release? If I should do a restore to the PR instead, how do I get all the data from my months worth of Beta's to my phone? Or is that not possible :(

(bring on the *****storm for not having a registered UDID and knowing the process).

Just restore from backup.
 
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