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US Downloads of TikTok and WeChat to Be Banned on Sunday
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This article is on the spot:
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Opinion | For the sake of peace, the US must understand China better
What makes China different should be studied, not dismissed. As Asia’s rise throws up more non-Western sensibilities, talking to, rather than past, each other will be increasingly important.
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Literally just as a big a precedent lmao... Both result in near-communism and dictatorship. But whatever helps you sleep at night.
This article is on the spot:
Opinion | For the sake of peace, the US must understand China better
What makes China different should be studied, not dismissed. As Asia’s rise throws up more non-Western sensibilities, talking to, rather than past, each other will be increasingly important.
Yup, sums up having to kiss an a behind in order to get anything published. One sided party book garbage.
Waiting for a similar article from some dictatorship in that same style
“The US and us are so different. We manage everything via the dictator’s bureau who is always right.”
What’s missing is what steps the China can take to achieve a better coexistence. But that was expected. Now, back to the topic that these apps are a goner.
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I think one reason is that there are strong commercial interests involved. Many, if not all, social media apps collect user data and monetize them. Just recently, Apple has delayed releasing the anti-tracking features in iOS 14 because of objections from digital advertisers over these measures.
Google and Apple probably cannot require which country each app stores its data. The government needs to have legislation about local data storage requirement but this sort of regulation could be complicated and needs to be done to avoid violation of international trade regulations.
No, I said he was a Christian lunatic, not that all Christians are lunatics. He's a born-again zealot on a mission from god to fight agianst China.
The German Data Diver Who Exposed China’s Muslim Crackdown
Research by Adrian Zenz, a born-again Christian anthropologist working alone in a German suburb, thrust China and the West into one of their biggest clashes over human rights in decades, after he showed how China built internment camps and surveillance networks and recruited police officers to...www.wsj.com
China detaining millions of Uyghurs? Serious problems with claims by US-backed NGO and far-right researcher ‘led by God’ against Beijing - The Grayzone
Claims that China has detained millions of Uyghur Muslims are based largely on two studies. A closer look at these papers reveals US government backing, absurdly shoddy methodologies, and a rapture-ready evangelical researcher named Adrian Zenz. By Ajit Singh and Max Blumenthal The US House of...thegrayzone.com
Ah so a particular flavour of religion isn’t to your liking. Relevance to topic = zero. You and him seem to simply disagree on the size / population of their camps.
Yeah, I know. I used to remove the default gateway to block client employees internet access. I also had a policy that blocked access to change the DG. (One employee took to installing his own modem. Somehow it worked. Yikes...
No, I said he was a Christian lunatic, not that all Christians are lunatics. He's a born-again zealot on a mission from god to fight agianst China.
The German Data Diver Who Exposed China’s Muslim Crackdown
Research by Adrian Zenz, a born-again Christian anthropologist working alone in a German suburb, thrust China and the West into one of their biggest clashes over human rights in decades, after he showed how China built internment camps and surveillance networks and recruited police officers to...
China detaining millions of Uyghurs? Serious problems with claims by US-backed NGO and far-right researcher ‘led by God’ against Beijing - The Grayzone
Claims that China has detained millions of Uyghur Muslims are based largely on two studies. A closer look at these papers reveals US government backing, absurdly shoddy methodologies, and a rapture-ready evangelical researcher named Adrian Zenz. By Ajit Singh and Max Blumenthal The US House of...
OMG! The minute someone says they are 'born again', I'm done with them. I have a lot of experience with 'them'.
1) Born again, took the deivery car at the pizza joint I worked at. He had 'an important delivery' and disappeared witht he only delivery car, AND portable oven, for over three hours! The owner was a 'born again' too, more on him later.
2) 'Born again' decides to steal the 'drop' that the owner hid under the fifth bag of flour. Over 80,000 from three stores, gone. Mr 'born again' was arrested, but owner 'born again' forgave him.
The prosecutor didn't.3) Worked at Circuit City, and one 'born again' worked there. He loved to close the registers. He was often 'short'. How do you come up hundreds short a week? I was tasked with counting the tills before he did. I had no idea what was going on. I was given a couple of tills one night, and the report from the system. They were spot on. At close, the 'born again' came up short $200. I quit a few days after that. Ended up hearing that Mr. 'born again' worked there for another month. They started videoing the cashier stations, and caught him skimming.
4) 'Born again' sells a computer. The client is having problems, and Mr 'born again' demands to be sent on the remote service call. He comes back, 'Everything is fine'. Client called a day later, 'Still having problems'. Mr 'born again' is sent again. Day later, client calls again, 'not working'. Finally they send me. It's a printer. No work. I disconnect it, connect it to another computer, works. Oh. Interesting... Connect another printer to the computer, no work. Interesting. I check out the card (it was a while ago) and it *looks good*. Doesn't work in another computer. The idiot blew the printer board. I get back, tell the owner to send them a new parallel card, and all will be great. owner is pissed, but 'can't fire Mr born again. He's from his church!
'5) A friend I was doing some work for, he ran a music store. He was behind on his billings, but I figures, well, so what. I then ask if he would be willing to have his band play a party I was planning, and we'd call it a wash. 'OH NO!!! YOU ARE STEALING FROM ME!!!' Well, what are you doing? Then he tells me the story of how he and his 'new girlfriend' met. He was asked to play at a wedding, and apparently so was she. They hadn't met yet. Oh, the wedding was in Puerto Rico. The soon to be Mr and Mrs paid all of his costs, and extra. (Oh, he was married at the time) They hired a vocalist to accompany this guy, and she and Mr born again met when he got there. So he says 'We fell in love that first second we met.' Apparently they spent the whole four days shacked up screwing like rabbits, because 'God brought us together!', he says. So he gets back, and divorces his wife, and moves in with the PR slut and everything's just perfect. Except there is that 'adultery' thing. He says 'Well, God had to know that she was what I really wanted in my life, and will forgive me for breaking a MAJOR RELIGIOUS RULE. So, murder is 'flexible' too, right? I was sick, and dropped that ass like a hot rock. Oh, and he refused to pay the open invoices, and THAT was why I dropped his ass. Sure, I could see paying him for performing. He'd have to pay the other performers, but to try to stick me for helping him, and try to demand I pay him was raw...
I have other stories, but those are the biggies. Yeah, 'born again' means 'don't trust them at all' to me.
That last one was an 'evangelical'. Ewww... If they can't follow the laws of their own religion, they probably won't follow any others either.
another money making opportunity grab as many phones as you can, download both apps before Sunday and sell your phone on ebay
grab as many phones as you can, download both apps before Sunday and sell your phone on ebay
OMG! The minute someone says they are 'born again', I'm done with them. I have a lot of experience with 'them'.
1) Born again, took the deivery car at the pizza joint I worked at. He had 'an important delivery' and disappeared witht he only delivery car, AND portable oven, for over three hours! The owner was a 'born again' too, more on him later.
2) 'Born again' decides to steal the 'drop' that the owner hid under the fifth bag of flour. Over 80,000 from three stores, gone. Mr 'born again' was arrested, but owner 'born again' forgave him.
3) Worked at Circuit City, and one 'born again' worked there. He loved to close the registers. He was often 'short'. How do you come up hundreds short a week? I was tasked with counting the tills before he did. I had no idea what was going on. I was given a couple of tills one night, and the report from the system. They were spot on. At close, the 'born again' came up short $200. I quit a few days after that. Ended up hearing that Mr. 'born again' worked there for another month. They started videoing the cashier stations, and caught him skimming.
4) 'Born again' sells a computer. The client is having problems, and Mr 'born again' demands to be sent on the remote service call. He comes back, 'Everything is fine'. Client called a day later, 'Still having problems'. Mr 'born again' is sent again. Day later, client calls again, 'not working'. Finally they send me. It's a printer. No work. I disconnect it, connect it to another computer, works. Oh. Interesting... Connect another printer to the computer, no work. Interesting. I check out the card (it was a while ago) and it *looks good*. Doesn't work in another computer. The idiot blew the printer board. I get back, tell the owner to send them a new parallel card, and all will be great. owner is pissed, but 'can't fire Mr born again. He's from his church!
5) A friend I was doing some work for, he ran a music store. He was behind on his billings, but I figures, well, so what. I then ask if he would be willing to have his band play a party I was planning, and we'd call it a wash. 'OH NO!!! YOU ARE STEALING FROM ME!!!' Well, what are you doing? Then he tells me the story of how he and his 'new girlfriend' met. He was asked to play at a wedding, and apparently so was she. They hadn't met yet. Oh, the wedding was in Puerto Rico. The soon to be Mr and Mrs paid all of his costs, and extra. (Oh, he was married at the time) They hired a vocalist to accompany this guy, and she and Mr born again met when he got there. So he says 'We fell in love that first second we met.' Apparently they spent the whole four days shacked up screwing like rabbits, because 'God brought us together!', he says. So he gets back, and divorces his wife, and moves in with the PR slut and everything's just perfect. Except there is that 'adultery' thing. He says 'Well, God had to know that she was what I really wanted in my life, and will forgive me for breaking a MAJOR RELIGIOUS RULE. So, murder is 'flexible' too, right? I was sick, and dropped that ass like a hot rock. Oh, and he refused to pay the open invoices, and THAT was why I dropped his ass. Sure, I could see paying him for performing. He'd have to pay the other performers, but to try to stick me for helping him, and try to demand I pay him was raw...
I have other stories, but those are the biggies. Yeah, 'born again' means 'don't trust them at all' to me.
That last one was an 'evangelical'. Ewww... If they can't follow the laws of their own religion, they probably won't follow any others either.
Yeah all people of one religious taste are all criminals. And all Muslims are terrorists if they happen to be Uighurs, you forgot to add.
Just doesn't feel like something that would pass a legal sniff test. This seems to violate the 1st amendment, freedom of association. I doubt anyone is going to try and fight it, wish they would.
Disclaimer: I use neither app
Disclaimer: I use neither app
The relevance is high, since it is this nutjob that is the main source for the claims. If he is on a "mission from god" against China, his arguments aren't worth anything.
That mission Blabla is just your opinion piece. Please feel free to support an opposing camp population theory with officials numbers when you next check in with the bureau.
I worked at a university. I worked with a 'MUSLIM' (OMG!!!). He was one of the kindest persons in that department. I have also worked with many 'christians', and even a few evangelicals, who were honorable people. Honest to a fault. It's the worst of all of those that we all remember.
And I was on a plane, waiting to take off, the boarding process was almost complete. Just then, an Imam, and his entourage, came walking down the aisle. Several people looked at them with HUGE eyes, and several got up, and walked off the plane. Because of an Imam. I figured I'd never been safer on an airline flight with a religious person and his 'crew' on, and a handful of hypocrites walked off. *shrug*
Religion is a tool, more like a weapon. There are people that defile their religions all the time, and the world is full of hypocrites. I hate what people have in their hearts, not what they wear on their sleeves.
Oh, I realize I forgot to mention the pizza joint owner. My grandfather died. He was the world to me. I lived with them for years when I was younger. So I'm standing in my suit, about to get in the car when the phone rings. It's the owner. 'I need you to come in an work today because everyone else is busy, and (some jerk) can't come in and work.' Well, I have to go to my grandfathers funeral right now. 'No you don't. I need you to work! Be there in a half hour!' I have to go to my gransfathers funeral with my family. 'No you don't! I OWN YOU! YOU ARE GOING TO COME IN TODAY TO WORK!' No I'm not. I'm going to my grandfathers funersl. I can come in after that. 'YOU WILL REGRET THIS, YOU ARE FIRED!!!' Fired? I ****ing quit, you ******!!! Such a compassionate christian, huh...
Someone said that I was an atheist, and hated God. I said that it wasn't God that I hated, I hated his fan club. A couple of people in the office, I was actually at work at the time, laughed at that. Yikes...
So to sum this up, you don’t like religion full stop. Nut jobs can be found anywhere. Shocker. Not that it has any relevance to the topic except for the China shill above trying to badmouth Uighurs.
Anything else to add to this ongoing ethnocide?
Good.
Back to topic then?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire
“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.” ― Napoleon Bonaparte
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.” ― Seneca
“One of the greatest tragedies in mankind's entire history may be that morality was hijacked by religion.” ― Arthur C. Clarke
“Religion is still useful among the herd - that it helps their orderly conduct as nothing else could. The crude human animal is in-eradicably superstitious, and there is every biological reason why they should be.
Take away his Christian god and saints, and he will worship something else...” ― H.P. Lovecraft
Ethnocide? Whose?
And isn't it funny that the party that reaped billions of dollars from corporations after they were successful giving our manufacturing core to China, can now run on China being 'the bad guy'? It's rich, hysterical, psychotic!
The US Chamber of Commerce openly told corporations to ship their jobs to China. Republicans cheered the loss of jobs, mostly because it killed workers unions, and their power. Yeah, hearing trump rail about how evil China is has been a neck snapping moment. The damn GOP even passed tax advantages for corporations that shifted jobs to China and elsewhere. Really. So now China is 'The bad guy'? Really? That's just insane...
China is bad? His base thinks he and the GOP are bringing those jobs back? OMG!!! That's hysterical... That's just so incredibly insane... So they bring them back, let's say. What are they going to pay the American workers? They can't live on $1.25 a day. Who supports them? Who keeps America safe?
Oh, wait, maybe they do have a plan:
China is a strawman in the war on America, from within America.
I am against China but you got excellent points. I am a Trump supporter but he is not definately sent by God against China. He is shrewd low morale businessman so he can't be that deep religious person but uses religion as a tool to earn his political points.
That‘s a good point. I believe nothing is going to be done about WeChat on other countries stores, such as e.g. China’s App Store. So those willing to use WeChat will simply have to stick to their own country’s App Store (presumably we’re talking about the Chinese) and possibly use VPN to circumvent the block. That’s precisely what westerners have been doing in China for years to use Facebook, WhatsApp, YouTube, Google, BBC, Wikipedia, etc...
Oh, and by the way. In China VPN is illegal, and they do crack down on it, sometimes it’s impossible to connect all together because all the VPN servers you used to use are suddenly banned. Somehow I don’t see this happening in the US, those willing to use banned apps via VPN will be left alone.
This is to say that, even with US banning WeChat and TikTok, it does not become a digital GULAG, and China does not stop being one.
Un-ban once WhatsApp and Paypal is allowed in China, and we Westerners are allowed to make money on Chinese social mediaq platforms. Level playing field!! Trump ftw.
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欢迎访问PayPal中国首页！PayPal是首家获准在中国市场提供在线支付服务的外资支付机构，为中国商家提供一站式跨境人民币收款等金融服务方案。通过技术创新，PayPal使金融服务与交易更便捷、普惠及安全，赋能中国商家展业全球。如需了解PayPal中国跨境收付款解决方案的更多信息，敬请访问PayPal官网。
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There's nothing stopping any US social media company from making money in China. Of course, they would need to comply with local regulation, which in practice means they would need to separate their US operations from their China business. This is why Tiktok is known as Douyin in China.
Yeah, I know. You would prefer that Facebook, Twitter and so on were really global. Total American hegemony. China foresaw that early on, and has maintained a separation to that end, to stimulate its own tech industry rather than becoming yet another client to American tech, like the rest of the world. Smart move, if you ask me.
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PayPal贝宝官网，一站式跨境收付平台 | 交易全球 交给贝宝
欢迎访问PayPal中国首页！PayPal是首家获准在中国市场提供在线支付服务的外资支付机构，为中国商家提供一站式跨境人民币收款等金融服务方案。通过技术创新，PayPal使金融服务与交易更便捷、普惠及安全，赋能中国商家展业全球。如需了解PayPal中国跨境收付款解决方案的更多信息，敬请访问PayPal官网。
It’s useless. As a foreigner you cannot use Chinese PayPal to connect your Chinese bank account and make payments in currency other than rmb. I heard of a way to link PayPal to your account, but it depends on the bank, and you need to come to the bank in person with all your paperwork and specifically request that service. Otherwise, the only option to convert rmb into other currency is to come to the bank with all your employment paperwork and tax receipts, and do a wire transfer.
Agreed, as every "foreigner" ever having spent some longer time in China can concur. It's like Chinese citizen saying "but you can use Youtube and Facebook in China with VPN". 😆🤣🤣 That's not the point, and I understand where they are coming from, and why they say such things, therefore no hard feelings.
But on a political level, I definitely agree with POTUS's steps and hope that this is only the beginning of levelling the playing field, and ending the highly unfair Chinese business practices.
You guys really need to make up your minds though.
Is this about stifling competition or it s this about security concerns?
It seems to me that “every reason will do”, at the moment.
I guess, ones must find some reasons to justify their own loss of liberties.
And so what if in China people need to use VPN to access some services.
That is precisely the reason why this move is so worrying. Not so different after all, are we now?