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Madhatter32

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US is truly turning into a highway robber and a bully of the worst kind. It's my way or the highway, truly a self focused (read selfish) America First! Sadly for the US, these are but further evidences of the downfall of the US as a global leader and a setting superpower. Just pathetic and the rest of the world knows it!
I think you got the reality all wrong. The US protecting its citizens from CCP oversight and surveillance is quite the opposite of trying to bully the world. In addition, I hope people realize that US companies doing business in China do not play by the same rules that Chinese companies get to play by when doing business in the US. Unless you want the CCP to continue its unfair exponential economic growth at the expense of liberty there and economic growth here than the playing field needs to be made level at some point. It's called acting in the national interest.
 

macdos

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The CCP has not taken away any liberties in Hongkong (one word, just like Beijing or Xinjiang), unless you by "liberty" mean the "freedom" to break into and vandalize the parliament, set political opponents on fire, obstruct businesses for months on end, vandalize private and state property, or advocate secession. None of those "liberties" exist elsewhere in the world.

The CCP has not taken away any liberties in Xinjiang, unless you by "liberty" mean the "freedom" to live in utter poverty under the control of radicalized imams advocating jihad, secession and terrorism. The CCP has taken on giving that part of the population vocational training in order for them to get a job and be a productive rather than destructive part of society.

Every day the Chinese Communist Party looks more and more like the Soviet Union under Stalin. It would makes sense for the CCP to take away the liberties of Hong Kong and take over Taiwan like they did to the Uygurs in Xinjiang province and Tibet. It would be a perfect fit politically and culturally. Who cares about the murder of millions and the destruction of political and cultural liberty?
 

macdos

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It is the sign of inevitability, it is the sign of the US losing its hegemony in tech, finance and military, it is the sign of a new polar world order. It is the sign of desperation, as there is no turning back. It is the sign of normalization, with China regaining its natural position in world affairs. It is the sign of defeat, as the US can't "win" (there is no game going on) by playing by its own rules.

Wow, this is the type of action you’d expect from China, Iran or Erdogan’s Turkey.
I guess this administration is operating according to very similar principles: if they are not working for you, mute them.
Is this a sign of being great again?
 

5105973

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It is the sign of inevitability, it is the sign of the US losing its hegemony in tech, finance and military, it is the sign of a new polar world order. It is the sign of desperation, as there is no turning back. It is the sign of normalization, with China regaining its natural position in world affairs. It is the sign of defeat, as the US can't "win" (there is no game going on) by playing by its own rules.
:rolleyes: Okay fine sure whatever. I hope India becomes a huge thorn in China’s side then. They aren’t going to just sit quietly for that.
 
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ericwn

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How well has turn the other cheek been working?

We can’t tell. As there is nothing but hot air and accusations folks need to show that bruised cheek first instead of just chatting about the thread.
 

ericwn

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The CCP has not taken away any liberties in Hongkong (one word, just like Beijing or Xinjiang), unless you by "liberty" mean the "freedom" to break into and vandalize the parliament, set political opponents on fire, obstruct businesses for months on end, vandalize private and state property, or advocate secession. None of those "liberties" exist elsewhere in the world.

The CCP has not taken away any liberties in Xinjiang, unless you by "liberty" mean the "freedom" to live in utter poverty under the control of radicalized imams advocating jihad, secession and terrorism. The CCP has taken on giving that part of the population vocational training in order for them to get a job and be a productive rather than destructive part of society.

Ah there we go claiming all Uighur were some sort of terrorist. Copy and paste party shill.
 
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macdos

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India and China will get along just fine, as they are natural trade partners. India will never succumb to US hegemony. The current border skirmishes won't change that.

:rolleyes: Okay fine sure whatever. I hope India becomes a huge thorn in China’s side then. They aren’t going to just sit quietly for that.
 

Airforcekid

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The CCP has not taken away any liberties in Hongkong (one word, just like Beijing or Xinjiang), unless you by "liberty" mean the "freedom" to break into and vandalize the parliament, set political opponents on fire, obstruct businesses for months on end, vandalize private and state property, or advocate secession. None of those "liberties" exist elsewhere in the world.

The CCP has not taken away any liberties in Xinjiang, unless you by "liberty" mean the "freedom" to live in utter poverty under the control of radicalized imams advocating jihad, secession and terrorism. The CCP has taken on giving that part of the population vocational training in order for them to get a job and be a productive rather than destructive part of society.
So a 12 year old girl cant get art supplies for a school project without being beaten as a suspected protester by police? What is wrong with secession? (The US and other free countries have plenty of secession movements that they allow Washington State's Free state comes to mind) Hong Kong has very different values from the mainland it would be good for both parties and it technically is not China's territory yet the UK could legally retake it at this point if they had the military.

When was Xinjiang destructive before China came in? Id be a little rebellious too if the state forced someone to rape me for racial purity then broke up that family for reeducation against my will.
 
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Madhatter32

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The CCP has not taken away any liberties in Hongkong (one word, just like Beijing or Xinjiang), unless you by "liberty" mean the "freedom" to break into and vandalize the parliament, set political opponents on fire, obstruct businesses for months on end, vandalize private and state property, or advocate secession. None of those "liberties" exist elsewhere in the world.

The CCP has not taken away any liberties in Xinjiang, unless you by "liberty" mean the "freedom" to live in utter poverty under the control of radicalized imams advocating jihad, secession and terrorism. The CCP has taken on giving that part of the population vocational training in order for them to get a job and be a productive rather than destructive part of society.
LOL. As John McEnroe would say, "You cannot be serious." By liberty I mean political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, and economic freedom. You know, stuff like this is taken for granted in the West. In China, it's a national security threat and fodder for revolution.

 

AZREOSpecialist

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I am conflicted. One part of me feels that the US cannot legally do this. Such an order would never stand up to judicial scrutiny. Another part of me wants the US to ban every single app and hardware produced by any Chinese company that sells into our market. China mandates that Apple and Google are forced to remove apps in China because of government censorship and the fact that they don't want their people to actually have news and know what's happening in their own country or the world.

IOW China gets to do whatever it wants and sell into our market without penalty while our companies are censored in their market and our products are subject to high import tariffs. The lure of money has caused the west to appease China to the point where China has become a global trade bully.

I'm for banning everything from Chinese owned companies. Period. Too bad about your WeChat and your PoopooChat. Use FaceTime like a respectable person!
 

Airforcekid

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India and China will get along just fine, as they are natural trade partners. India will never succumb to US hegemony. The current border skirmishes won't change that.
How many people from India do you know? Hundreds of thousands of people cheered for Trump in New Delhi as they burned the Chinese flag. Its only escalating on the border.
 
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friedmud

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This is complete BS. Regardless of whether you like TikTok or not... the President utilizing extortion to force a company to sell its assets is absolutely sickening. Tell me again how this is the "free market" the Republicans always talk about?
 
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iReality85

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The CCP has not taken away any liberties in Xinjiang, unless you by "liberty" mean the "freedom" to live in utter poverty under the control of radicalized imams advocating jihad, secession and terrorism. The CCP has taken on giving that part of the population vocational training in order for them to get a job and be a productive rather than destructive part of society.

This is disgusting. Are you going to deny that the holocaust happened too?

Are we to believe that Xinjiang has millions of radical imams? Or maybe it's all those women whose only crime was to give birth to more than 2 children?

Don't worry, we've found all those new vocational centers concentration camps by satellite. You're not fooling anyone.

It is the sign of inevitability, it is the sign of the US losing its hegemony in tech, finance and military, it is the sign of a new polar world order. It is the sign of desperation, as there is no turning back. It is the sign of normalization, with China regaining its natural position in world affairs. It is the sign of defeat, as the US can't "win" (there is no game going on) by playing by its own rules.

Wow this rhetoric reads like something straight from the pages of China's propagandist media.
 

Madhatter32

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This is complete BS. Regardless of whether you like TikTok or not... the President utilizing extortion to force a company to sell its assets is absolutely sickening. Tell me again how this is the "free market" the Republicans always talk about?
The free market Americans talk about is a global free market where capitalism is allowed to function. Having a free market solely within the confines of one country results in unfair competition as Chinese companies do not comply with US market exchange requirements among other things and are government funded. Many US comanies need Chinese "partners" even to enter the Chinese market. This is not how a free market is supposed to work.
 

AZREOSpecialist

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Epic is next! They are 40% owned by Tencent. They picked a fight with Apple at exactly the wrong time. News outlets are reporting that Epic is being investigated by US authorities.


Get your popcorn!
 

macdos

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What's really disgusting is to compare vocational centers for improving people's skills with the holocaust…

If I am to chose between China's own report and that of the Christian lunatic Adrian Zenz, on whom most media base their reports, I'll definitely choose the former.

This is disgusting. Are you going to deny that the holocaust happened too?

Are we to believe that Xinjiang has millions of radical imams? Or maybe it's all those women whose only crime was to give birth to more than 2 children?

Don't worry, we've found all those new vocational centers concentration camps by satellite. You're not fooling anyone.
 

crawfish963

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What's really disgusting is to compare vocational centers for improving people's skills with the holocaust…

If I am to chose between China's own report and that of the Christian lunatic Adrian Zenz, on whom most media base their reports, I'll definitely choose the former.

I get that you’re here to defend EVERYTHING China does, but there are many legitimate sources out there regarding Uyghur Muslims being moved into concentration camps.


 

Moi Ici

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India and China will get along just fine, as they are natural trade partners. India will never succumb to US hegemony. The current border skirmishes won't change that.
Jeepers Xi, go buy the new iwatch and check your heart rate. Those are pretty serious skirmishes btw, but we do know you like to bully smaller foes. Anyhoo Xi, just chill and try and be a bit nicer to eh, everyone. The world we live at the moment......
 

ericwn

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What's really disgusting is to compare vocational centers for improving people's skills with the holocaust…

If I am to chose between China's own report and that of the Christian lunatic Adrian Zenz, on whom most media base their reports, I'll definitely choose the former.

And being Christian is making him a lunatic how?
 
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