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This UK law overreaches so far, is so bold and brutal, in that companies cannot even announce that they have been requested to take action, that I cannot help think that it is in fact a ruse by Five Eyes to weaken encryption standards across global platforms to assist the domestic spy agencies of the five countries. Usually, British law is very careful about jurisdictional issues. The overreach aspect tells me that the global ambition behind the law is at the behest of Five Eyes nations, with the UK acting as a kind of bellwether for such laws. Weakened encryption will assist the US spy agencies just as much, if not more so, than the UK's, remembering anyway that the US and UK share real-time intelligence at the highest level. For goodness sake, the US has various military units across the UK, which itself is home to the world's largest listening site (co-run with the US).
 
I don't want to start a war here, but do we even know if this actually happened? As far as I understand, it was a leaked source, to one news organization that has been picked up by others. No one else, Apple, the UK government, or other news organization, has confirmed this request/requirement has happened.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but there seems to be a lot of unfounded confidence that it did. Shouldn't the goal be to see if it's true?
 
It's obvious that's where it's coming from. Antagonizing traditional trade/defense partners is part of the strategy to diminish the United States role and influence in world affairs.
America's role in the world is definitely being severely diminished because The Duck is back-stabbing or antagonizuing allies and reaching-out to Putin. The Duck lied to Americans and used a false fentynal schtick to access emergency dictatorial powers and impose tariffs on Canada; A strong traditional ally before the The Duck sat in the Oval Office again.

The Russians are using Elon the Nazi's Starlink and it was reported Elon texts with Putin. This strongly points to Trump also texting with Putin because it is on Starlink; no one will know because it's on Starlink.

Republicans won't do anything to prevent The Duck's transformation of America into a Putin-style authoritarian dictatorship because they are fixated on booting illegal immigrants out of the US and The Duck is the one to do it...and of course, if you go against The Duck's orders you face the hammer of vengeance and maybe a visit from The Proud Boys.
 
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I don't want to start a war here, but do we even know if this actually happened? As far as I understand, it was a leaked source, to one news organization that has been picked up by others. No one, Apple, the UK government, or other news organization, has confirmed this request/requirement has happened.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but there seems to be a lot of unfounded confidence that it did. Shouldn't the goal be to see if it's true?
Difficult because the new law makes it illegal for companies with a UK presence to publicly announce that it has received a request under the IPA. In addition, the company is forced to comply and make changes even while it makes an appeal to a secret panel. If the panel agrees with Apple, the company can then reverse its changes and remove the backdoor, but the panel could make such a decision weeks or months after the appeal application. It is very, very dark law and quite unBritish in all sorts of ways, not least in how it appears not to give a damn about geographic boundaries. Thus my comment above about this coming from Five Eyes to assist the US in acquiring encrypted data via the UK's IPA law. The UK then became a backdoor for US spy agencies. This is not, to my mind, even remotely far-fetched as an idea given what we know about various projects leaked by WikiLeaks etc.
 
The reality is that the UK and 'our traditional European allies' ... no longer share American values of freedom, commerce, industry, or other essential rights, instead reverting to their monarchical origins (but without even the pretense of divine right).

I suspect a very ugly divorce is the only option.
This is my belief and expectation, as well, but that's almost a separate issue.

This demand by Starmer's government is outrageous. I expect Apple will tell them to go pound sand and, if push comes to shove, simply remove iCloud Advanced Data Protection from the UK.

One of Apple's main claims to fame is customer privacy and data protection. If UK authorities can access anybody's data, at any time, anywhere in the world, regardless of geophysical location or nationality, warrantless, that would blow that clear out of the water.
 
The reality is that the UK and 'our traditional European allies' are no longer trustworthy in any sense of the word (with the possible amusing exception of the French). They no longer share American values of freedom, commerce, industry, or other essential rights, instead reverting to their monarchical origins (but without even the pretense of divine right).

I suspect a very ugly divorce is the only option.




Friendly reminder that the UK's defence strategy is such a basket case that you lease your nuclear deterrent from the United States and all maintenance and operation are provided by Americans. Your aircraft carriers are barely functioning, your submarines are based on American designs...good luck with that!

This is such a bad take, I can barely compute it. I think you underestimate, to a profound degree, the extensive cooperation between the UK and US, not just under Five Eyes but under dozens of separate programs. As to sharing US values, this would be the values of, what, voting in a rapist as President whose first call was to his chums in Saudi Arabia, the ones who committed billions to Trump's son-in-law's company? The Trump who has applied huge tariffs to friendly neighbour Canada. The Trump who wants to turn Gaza in a property development owned by the Americans whilst carting Gazans to other parts of the Middle East, no caring a whit that that would destabilise the rest of the region. Yeh, real genius values, bud!
 
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Being as, as I understand it, political discussion is, if not outright prohibited, very strongly discouraged here on MR: I'm not going to discuss these aspects of US policy or relations any further here.
The subject of this article is political. The law and court system only exist because of the government. And you agreed with a post by GMShadow that is also political.
 
I wonder if Android devices have back doors 🤔
If you have a custom ROM based on AOSP (Android Open Source Project), then no. You can verify that it doesn't have malicious code yourself. ROM from Samsung, Xoaimi, Oppo, Vivo, etc...then who knows.🤷‍♂️
That's ok, The US President will rename the UK to United America.
I vote for the Airstrip One name.😏
 
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This is such a bad take, I can barely compute it. I think you underestimate, to a profound degree, the extensive cooperation between the UK and US, not just under Five Eyes but under dozens of separate programs. As to sharing US values, this would be the values of, what, voting in a rapist as President whose first call was to his chums in Saudi Arabia, the ones who committed billions to Trump's son-in-law's company? The Trump who has applied huge tariffs to friendly neighbour Canada. The Trump who wants to turn Gaza in a property development owned by the Americans whilst carting Gazans to other parts of the Middle East, no caring a whit that that would destabilise the rest of the region. Yeh, real genius values, bud!
Yes, truly horrible to hear The Duck say he wants to remove Palestinians from Gaza and develop it into the jewel of the 🤮 This is so evil. Palestinians do not want to leave Gaza even if The Duck houses them in his hotels equipped with gold plated toilets and mirrored walls.
 
So you're cool with corruption as an American value?

Under The Duck American Commerce has become the sleazy opportunistic tariff.

When Trump says "Make blah rich blah" he means the billionaire class. The income gap will increase and fewer and fewer hands will own more and more.

Wall Street corruption that produced the financial meltdown that became a huge tax payer bailout is now in the White House. The Duck's Secretary of Commerce is greed-is-good Lutnick.
 
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I'm inclined to think this "opposition" from our congress critters is mere theater. If you remember back when PRISM was revealed by Snowden, one of the biggest reasons the Five Eyes enacted these programs was because laws prohibit them from spying on their own citizens, but there's nothing about asking an allied nation about the information they have on your citizen.

This would be a goldmine of information on citizens for the US government and there's no doubt the UK would be more than happy to oblige.
 
Finally we are getting seriously about other governments telling what the tech industry what to do.

If only we were allowed to do that with our own government these days. Example: judges' rulings that Trump doesn't like are "illegal" as per JD Vance and Musk. Perhaps that explains why the earlier article about Apple advertising on Twitter allows no comments. 😥
 
If you remember back when PRISM was revealed by Snowden, one of the biggest reasons the Five Eyes enacted these programs was because laws prohibit them from spying on their own citizens, but there's nothing about asking an allied nation about the information they have on your citizen.
Edward Snowden...who still lives in Russia. His claims about PRISM having direct access to tech company servers turned out to be false. PRISM was an NSA portal for making requests to tech companies for data on overseas individuals and groups.

 
I'm sure Apple would prefer to find other solutions, rather than the metaphorical nuclear option. The UK is the world's 6th largest economy, and Apple has an absolutely dominant market share in the key market segments, including a greater than 50% market share for smartphones!
This is exactly what they (UK)are leveraging. I think ‘everyone’ is trying to see how much they can pull against and/or how much they can get from American companies.
 
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Very odd. I thought not even 2 years ago the fbi was pushing for the same back doors as well as under the 1st trump admin. Is this the push of the tech billionaires this time getting a foothold?
 
Apple needs to tell the UK to pound sand and that if they persist in their demands, Apple will withdraw from the UK and shut down all Apple services in the UK -- forever.

Pull out of UK!
I usually don’t agree with that, but a backdoor for my data is something I do not want as an iCloud+ customer.

Apple should just drop anything iCloud from the UK

All very well and fine, except some of us live in the UK .... Better for the US government to act diplomatically on the behalf of its citizens (170,000+ of them in the UK, including me), or whatever passes for that in these surreal days.
 
I'm delighted to see a hint of pushback ..

But, I'm telling y'all, as others have said in here too, the US wants this access just as much as anyone else

In fact, I could see other countries who info share with the UK loving them falling on the sword publicly, while being able to get access to said data via the UK
 
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