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US Lawmakers Urge Intelligence Chief to Fight UK iCloud Backdoor Order
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IMHO nothing should, but it doesn't stop governments for trying.
Back doors for law enforcement work really well don’t they: https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/tmobile-breached-chinese
Don't need the back door when the front door is wide open
but in all seriousness this isnt really a device specific issue, it's an icloud issue. If icloud services ever opened up to android devices then it'd affect them all the same. But likewise if the uk govt asks google to open up a backdoor in their cloud services too, which would affect both ios and android.
This sounds like a headline from Onion News, seriously the US has been perusing Apple to implement a backdoor for many years and now that one of its intelligence sharing community members has passed a law it is advocating against it.
Seriously one cannot make this stuff up.
Well once a backdoor is permitted and it gets compromised by hackers and you know it will then every political leader and business owner will be easy targets. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Don’t forget celebrities, I am sure lawsuits will fly once this backdoor is exploited by anyone.
Seriously one cannot make this stuff up.
Well once a backdoor is permitted and it gets compromised by hackers and you know it will then every political leader and business owner will be easy targets. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Don’t forget celebrities, I am sure lawsuits will fly once this backdoor is exploited by anyone.
Does anyone know if Apple has any Warrant Canary that can be used to infer that such an order has been received or acted on?
Android is so fragmented that it really depends on the device.
Angela hasn’t been the Chancellor for some while now…
Back doors. We should also be resisting front door attacks.
Larry Epstein…I mean Ellison….went to a autocratic theocracy and called on world governments to absorb all national data into “AI”, which presumably he, Musk and some fascists will profit from and use to control all citizens.
Always worth reminding people that all fascism and terrorism is financed by wealth and dark money. It’s not citizens who need to be controlled.
www.businessinsider.com
Larry Epstein…I mean Ellison….went to a autocratic theocracy and called on world governments to absorb all national data into “AI”, which presumably he, Musk and some fascists will profit from and use to control all citizens.
Always worth reminding people that all fascism and terrorism is financed by wealth and dark money. It’s not citizens who need to be controlled.
Billionaire Larry Ellison says a vast AI-fueled surveillance system can ensure 'citizens will be on their best behavior'
Billionaire Oracle cofounder Larry Ellison said he expects AI surveillance systems to reach a point where all citizens are under constant watch.
www.businessinsider.com
I don't think this is about what they can get from American companies. It's more that they've come to a view that when it comes to the threat of terrorism and there are known terrorists/serious organised criminals, end to end encryption makes it easier for attacks to be planned and executed, and much harder for intelligence agencies to intercept. Some countries may feel that another 9/11 is a fair price to pay to maintain absolute privacy and personal freedoms, others may feel that's too high a price to pay and that if there's a legitimate concern of national security and terror, surrending some freedom in a controlled manner is a fair price to pay.
I do see Apple's view point too. Once you build a back door, what stops a dictatorship from wanting to use that back door to attack innocent people (even its own people)? All of this needs a robust conversation.
Oh yeah sounds like a utopia to these billionaire mindset, what could go wrong *cough cough* minority report *cough cough* as there is always room for abuse of power and privilege for personal gain. The powerful love to cover things up but don’t worry with many citizens someone will be used as a scapegoat.Back doors. We should also be resisting front door attacks.
Larry Epstein…I mean Ellison….went to a autocratic theocracy and called on world governments to absorb all national data into “AI”, which presumably he, Musk and some fascists will profit from and use to control all citizens.
Always worth reminding people that all fascism and terrorism is financed by wealth and dark money. It’s not citizens who need to be controlled.
Billionaire Larry Ellison says a vast AI-fueled surveillance system can ensure 'citizens will be on their best behavior'
Billionaire Oracle cofounder Larry Ellison said he expects AI surveillance systems to reach a point where all citizens are under constant watch.
Ellison also bankrupted his previous biomedical startup and now is jumping on the AI and AI drive medical field, he comes across as a snake oil salesman.
"Oh don't worry, you will never look like me." - Arnold Schwarzenegger
'...madness has no purpose, or reason, but it may have a goal.' Spock, Star Trek
For some reason these days this quote sticks in my head like an earworm, both about the general direction of governance in the West, and specifically about this proposal to give the UK government carte blanch to invade the privacy of Apple customers without reasonable cause, transparency, or accountability (imagine what is going on already in Android-land...).
The actual threats end up finding other methods
All that really happens is the general public gets abused by a hungry Capitalistic corporate surveillance state
Shame on you europeans politicians turning the 21st Europe to a vassal continent of the USA
a stupid vice president lecturing Europe about the democratic values and not a single one of you with a
double figs in front to confront him . Again shame on you making Europe falling on its knees
a stupid vice president lecturing Europe about the democratic values and not a single one of you with a
double figs in front to confront him . Again shame on you making Europe falling on its knees
Elon, Ellison, Dorsey, Kash Patel, Tulsi, Trump, Vance, Liz Truss, Eric Adams, etc. They have all been involved in a cult, a mix of libertarian extremism, white supremacy and pseudo Hindu apocalyptic beliefs about the end of the age of Kali. The ideology says everything must be destroyed and a new ruling class will control everyone with technology.
Epstein was one of them. Laundering dirty money, trafficking young people, doing mystic yoga nonsense while waiting for the collapse of society that he was funding himself. Combined that with big investments from the Middle East oligarchs who are buying all the power in western countries. They do not care about you anymore.
They fund terrorism with one hand and with the other hand they bomb people to get rid of the terrorists.
In the coming decade they will say there are terrorists in all these cities in the US, UK, France and Italy. Angry people who can’t afford to live will be called terrorists. Angry citizens whose homes were bought by criminal anonymous landlords living in tax havens will be labelled racists. So the oligarchy will bomb all those places and then win reconstruction contracts paid for by taxpayers themselves.
So they need AI and data to control every aspect of your lives. Don’t step out of line. Work like a dog. Buy $5 eggs, $10 cup of coffee, and $5000 to rent a toilet sized room. Give us the back door to your phone and communication apps. You are the terrorists and we are the good guys looking after you.
The article says the UK gov has "demanded Apple to provide access to data protected by its Advanced Data Protection".
How can Apple provide this when the whole idea of Advanced Data Protection is that Apple has no access because it has no keys?
The ADP feature could be overtly or covertly compromised in the future, but if someone has Advanced Data Protection in place now, how could that person's data ever be compromised by anyone?
How can Apple provide this when the whole idea of Advanced Data Protection is that Apple has no access because it has no keys?
The ADP feature could be overtly or covertly compromised in the future, but if someone has Advanced Data Protection in place now, how could that person's data ever be compromised by anyone?
If forced they could create a separate iCloud for UK, similar to what they did in China. https://support.apple.com/en-us/111754
That way users worldwide are not affected.
Update 1: https://www.macrumors.com/2025/02/21/apple-pulls-encrypted-icloud-security-feature-uk/
Update 2: https://www.macrumors.com/2025/02/26/advanced-data-protection-uk-need-to-know/
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