USB 3 or Thunderbolt

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  1. MarkieMark92 macrumors regular

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    I want to put Windows 8 onto Bootcamp as currently have Windows 7. The annoying thing I have is when I go into Bootcamp I have to restart my iMac and it takes soo long to boot into Windows 7. If I was to get Windows 8 I was thinking of putting it along with the Mac Operating System onto the SSD and booting off of that. What would someone recommend, getting a USB 3.0 External SSD or Thunderbolt SSD or would someone recommend getting a External USB 3.0 enclosure and putting an SSD in it, or Thunderbolt enclosure and putting an SSD in it? :) and also could I boot off them easily?

    Thanks in advance :)
     
  2. SaSaSushi macrumors 68040

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    Wow, deja vu all over again.

    As recommended in your previous thread, Thunderbolt is preferable because it allows the use of TRIM.
     
  3. yjchua95 macrumors 604

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    And not just that, Windows doesn't allow booting over USB.

    So all the more reason to go TB.
     
  4. Truefan31 macrumors 68040

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    I found this ssd, crucial mx100 512 gb ssd for 199. I'm trying to do the same thing. Good deal?
     
  5. xgman macrumors 601

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    and usb3 will get saturated faster then TB I think.
     
  6. truciet macrumors 6502

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    Portable enclosures will not work with any SSD bigger than 256gb from what I understand so be careful.

    Great drive btw. I ordered the same but 256gb and it's 100mb/write faster than the Samsung EVO via LaCie thunderbolt enclosure.
     
  7. Truefan31 macrumors 68040

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    Oh it won't go over 256? I figured I'd get a seagate goflex tb adapter and mount it behind the computer
     
  8. truciet macrumors 6502

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    You just need a powered one with a wall plug from what I understand.
     
  9. SaSaSushi macrumors 68040

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    It depends. Some have reported that the power requirements of later model SSDs like the Samsung 840 EVO 512GB will run reliably in a bus-powered enclosure. However, I wouldn't recommend going any larger than that without AC regardless of the make/model.

    As mentioned in the previous thread I linked to above, I've been using, and can recommend the Delock 42490 Thunderbolt enclosure because it is lightweight aluminum, solidly constructed and AC powered. It also has no problems with BootCamp.
     
  10. Truefan31 macrumors 68040

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    Finally a cheap tb enclosure. So I can use that with the crucial mx100 512 gb ssd? I was thinking the seagate goflex tb adapter but this looks good too. I'd get a stand behind the imac to sit it on so it's out of the way
     
  11. Chippy99 macrumors 6502a

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    Windows 8 can boot off USB.
     
  12. yjchua95 macrumors 604

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    But then, TRIM still can't be enabled.


    TRIM is an absolute must for SSDs.
     
  13. SaSaSushi macrumors 68040

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    Sure, it will work with any 2.5" SSD. It does have the AC power cable, as mentioned, but I have the enclosure hidden behind my iMac. It's a great little fanless (silent) unit.
     
  14. Fishrrman macrumors G5

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    I generally recommend USB3 rather than Thunderbolt for connecting a single drive, but this is one time where Thunderbolt is required, because I don't believe you can boot Windows via USB3.

    I've been booting and running my Mac Mini from a USB3 dock for 16 months now, no issues. I've found that the lack of "TRIM" doesn't make much difference at all...
     
  15. yjchua95 macrumors 604

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    It won't be at first, but it'll affect SSD performance in the long run.
     
  16. xgman macrumors 601

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    I've never had to use trim on multiple SSD's in Mac pro and imac and everything is just fine. No slow down.
     
  17. omvs macrumors 6502

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    Some drive's firmware can deal with not having TRIM by snooping the file system. If you encrypt your drive (Filevault) I wouldn't expect this to work since the drive firmware won't be able to decrypt it itself, and you'd be better off turning on TRIM.

    Also I'd expect it to be beneficial in a fusion setup, since again I would suspect the drive firmware not to understand the fusion - its not like it can see the parts of the file system on the other drive.
     
  18. Truefan31 macrumors 68040

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    Where's the best place to order this delock enclosure?
     
  19. Truefan31 macrumors 68040

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    Man memory depot says like 3 to 4 weeks shipping. Anything faster?
     
  20. Truefan31 macrumors 68040

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    Well I bought the seagate flex tb adapter instead. Figured I could put some plastic bits to stabilize the ssd, and rubberbands to keep it in place.
     
  21. Chippy99 macrumors 6502a

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    A lot depends on how full the drives are and how much writing to the drives is done. If you run them at like 30% capacity, there may be enough of room for garbage collection of deleted data as well as valid data, so whether you have trim enabled or not will not make much difference.
     
  22. Fishrrman macrumors G5

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    yjchua95 wrote above:
    [[ It won't be at first, but it'll affect SSD performance in the long run. ]]

    My "real world" experience is quite different.

    I've been booting and running a late-2012 Mac Mini from a USB3/SATA docking station since January 2012. Seventeen months, and everything still runs just fine.

    How much of a "long run" are you talking about?
    Specific numbers, please?
     
  23. hfg macrumors 68040

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    You can buy the drive shell for these on eBay to make a finished look to your project.
     
  24. Truefan31 macrumors 68040

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    Can u show me? Drive shell
     

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