USB 3.x PCIe Cards for Classic Mac Pro

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  1. weckart macrumors 68040

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    They all seem to require a SATA power input from what I can see, so...
     
  2. William Payne macrumors 6502a

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    I would imagine that may be due to them being able to charge devices.
     
  3. weckart macrumors 68040

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    You're probably right. I'd still like to know what my options are just in case. Even the 2 port cards have them whereas the K4004 manages 4 from the bus alone.
     
  4. Mac Hammer Fan macrumors 6502a

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    According to the info the ebay seller gave me my USB 3.0 card has the FRESCO FL1100 controller, the same as in a MacBook Pro and the MacPro 6.1.
    Is it true that USB 3.0 sticks from Sandisk are significantly slower than an external SSD?
    Perhaps that's the reason why I don't get 10x the USB 2.0 speed?
    I have no external SSD to test my card. Is there another way?
     
  5. h9826790 macrumors 604

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    USB drive of course is much slower than USB 3.0 SSD. You need a USB 3.0 SSD to run the speed test, at lease a normal USB 3.0 HDD to confirm the connection is above USB 2.0 speed. A USB drive can as slow as only few MB/s, even though the most expensive fastest one, still way too slow for this kind of test.
     
  6. kschendel macrumors 6502a

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    The fastest USB flash drive I know about is the Patriot Magnum drive, which is pricey.
     
  7. trifero macrumors member

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    I think Sandisk Pro 3.1 is faster.
     
  8. pierrox macrumors regular

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    Well spotted. And at $59 it doesn't seem a bad deal.

    Weird thing in the Tech Specs...:
    macOS 10.10.5, 10.12.6+(2)
    (not compatible with macOS 10.11)

    What is the problem with 10.11?
     
  9. Squuiid macrumors 6502a

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    FAQ (2)
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    [​IMG] What versions of macOS support the Allegro USB-C PCIe card? Oct-11-17
    The Allegro USB-C PCIe card uses a macOS pre-installed driver.

    The card is compatible with macOS 10.10 and 10.12+ (including High Sierra) in the MacPro 4,1 & 5,1 and in Thunderbolt 2 & 3 Expansion chassis.
    This card is not compatible with macOS 10.11, due to a bug in the Apple driver that is unlikely to ever be fixed.
    This card is compatible with macOS 10.10 in the Mac Pro 3,1.
    The card is not compatible in Thunderbolt 1 expansion chassis.
     
  10. ActionableMango thread starter macrumors 604

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    Well that's odd.
     
  11. joevt macrumors member

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    Looks like just another ASM1142 based card using PCIe 2.0 x2. It's got some extra power features (hardware and driver) but that doesn't improve performance. The compatibility should be the same as (or similar to) any other ASM1142 based card.

    I still prefer the CalDigit because the CalDigit's included PCIe switch chip allows full performance of a USB 3.1 gen 2 port even in a PCIe 1.0 x4 slot (my MacPro 2008 has two PCIe 1.0 slots and two PCIe 2.0 slots).
     
  12. burnthefires macrumors newbie

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  13. joevt macrumors member

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    I think the Syba card is cheep because it's only one lane of PCIe 2.0 for the USB chip and one lane for the SATA chip so each chip can only allow up to 500 MB/s total. I don't know how many lanes are used by the upstream port. The manual and specs don't mention Mac OS bootability.

    The specs say the NewerTech is not bootable.

    The CalDigit FAQ says only eSATA is bootable. Only the CalDigit card supports 10 Gbps USB so this is the card I would get.
     
  14. burnthefires macrumors newbie

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    Thanks, I read those and therefore I'm mostly asking for users' experience, a lot changes with OS updates and some features might work with workarounds that aren't officially supported. If only the FASTA didn't cost that much... It's a shame they discontinued the "Pro" version since it would fully satisfy me and was a lot cheaper if i recall correctly, also had internal SATA ports and here i'd have to route the cables back into the case...
     
  15. MIKX macrumors regular

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    Here in Japan I found an Etron EJ168A 2 port USB 3.0 card ( ¥400 ! about US$ 3.50 ) which worked OOB in Sierra 10.12.6. ( I haven't tried it in High Sierra yet ).

    Just out of curiosity I had a look in the mini DVD that came with it and .. lo and behold ! . . it had Mac Drivers !

    The card was packaged in a simple white box .. no maker's brand.

    Seeing that card works OOB and with doubts that the drivers are Sierra / High Sierra compatible - the installer has a message that minimum OS X must be 10.8 - I will only install for testing later on a spare High Sierra and Mavericks HDD and post the results.

    Some people like myself need to use Mavericks - this card doesn't work without a driver in Mav. So if after installing the driver it does work .. that would make it useful

    Contents of the drivers

    EJ 168A 2 port USB 3.0  card pic.png
    2-port-usb-3-0-card-pcie-molex-power-connector-p2387-2869_zoom.jpg
    For ¥400 this card was a steal. :)
     
  16. h9826790 macrumors 604

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    I bet that driver is for 10.8, not the current OS. And if the card use a controll like FL1100, it will work OOTB in both Sierra and High Sierra.

    P.S. I don’t think it’s a FL1100 controller, otherwise, it should work OOTB in 10.9.5.
     
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  18. Mac Hammer Fan macrumors 6502a

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    I have to correct this post.
    The conflict under Yosemite with Airport is solved. The card is fully compatible with Yosemite.
    I had to remove the drivers of the previous installed Caldigit USB 3.0 card.
    Sorry for the inconvenience that I caused to the French Ebay seller Speedermac on Ebay.
     
  19. ShawnF macrumors regular

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    So I guess the card we were all waiting for is finally here. Ladies and gentlemen, please meet the Sonnet Allegro USB-C PCIe card. Only US$56 and compatible with 10.10.5, 10..12.6 and High Sierra - but strangely NOT 10.11

    [​IMG]
     
  20. William Payne macrumors 6502a

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    What do you mean the card we have all been waiting for?

    I'm happy sonnet released a card. Though undecided on whether to go with the sonnet or the. Caldigit card that has been out for over a year.
     
  21. ShawnF macrumors regular

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    True. No card is perfect and that Caldigit card had its quirks - for example, you needed to update the firmware that is only usable 10.12 and above to get the full USB 3.1 speed. OSX 10.10 and 10.11 users had to stick with USB 3 vanilla speeds. Plus the price is 3 times higher than this Sonnet card.
     
  22. William Payne macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah my deciding factor will be whether I decide to go with eSata for my external archival drives.
    --- Post Merged, Oct 31, 2017 ---
    I am leaning towards just using the FireWire 800 ports. If I do I'll just buy the sonnet.
     
  23. ShawnF macrumors regular

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    You can get USB to eSATA cables. They have been around for some time but never tried them myself.

    Startech USB 3.0 to eSATA HDD / SSD / ODD Adapter Cable

    [​IMG]
     
  24. William Payne macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah, the drives I plan on using have selections of USB, FireWire, and eSata so not so much a cable issue. More just what ports im willing to dedicate to those drives. FireWire has no other use for me so is a good option.
    --- Post Merged, Oct 31, 2017 ---
    I'll also probably just use the USB-c card to run a desk mount dock/hub. Then I don't have to be behind the machine under my desk all the time.
     
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