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Use 32-bit apps in 64-bit OS?

ohla313

ohla313

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I recently installed Windows 7 on my MBP but need to install Visio and Visual Basic 2010. One of them is 32-bit only but I am using Windows 7 64-bit. Would I be able to install the 32-bit only program without a problem?

Also what Visual Basic is the best to get?

Ultimate, Professional, Premium?

Another side note, is it better to get Windows 7 Professional with the SP1 or no?
 
I also have Windows 7 64-bit on my MBP (with several 32-bit applications). You should be fine with most, if not all, semi-recent applications. 32-bit applications are normally put in the "Program Files (x86)" folder automatically when installed (which you don't even need to know unless it is not added to the start/windows menu).

Hopefully someone else can help with your version question.
 
ShinyDren said:
I also have Windows 7 64-bit on my MBP (with several 32-bit applications). You should be fine with most, if not all, semi-recent applications. 32-bit applications are normally put in the "Program Files (x86)" folder automatically when installed (which you don't even need to know unless it is not added to the start/windows menu).

Hopefully someone else can help with your version question.
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That's great to hear. So running Visio or Visual Basic 2010 won't be a problem if they are 32-bit apps.
 
Well the version we used in class today was Ultimate so I guess I got that answered.

Once I have these programs downloaded, how would I go about making install CDs of them??

Also would downloading these .exe files on my Mac make it harder to burn them?
 
ohla313 said:
Well the version we used in class today was Ultimate so I guess I got that answered.

Once I have these programs downloaded, how would I go about making install CDs of them??

Also would downloading these .exe files on my Mac make it harder to burn them?
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Ultimate in class? Really? That is way overkill. You will only be able to use it for 90 days without buying it and Ultimate will cost you anyway. If you are taking a beginners course, Express would be all you need and it is free but ask your professor. I'm pretty sure that Ultimate can only be purchased with an MSDN account which will cost you $12,000.00! :eek: Just an FYI, but they all do the basics that you will need. Ultimate will cover all languages supported in one IDE and with the money give you access to MSDN. As a beginner even pro will really not be needed as it just ads more functionality that you won't learn about in class.

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products/2010-editions/visual-basic-express

Also, if you have a school e-mail account you can get an account with DreamSpark and get the pro version for free via the site.

https://www.dreamspark.com/default.aspx

You can download the programs on a mac and simply burn them to CD to install on Windows. Just stick a blank cd and drag them to the CD in finder. Click the CD and you will see and icon to burn it. Simple enough...

Oh, and yes, you can install the 32bit software on 64bit OS, just not the other way around. ;)
 
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wpotere said:
Ultimate in class? Really? That is way overkill. You will only be able to use it for 90 days without buying it and Ultimate will cost you anyway. If you are taking a beginners course, Express would be all you need and it is free but ask your professor. I'm pretty sure that Ultimate can only be purchased with an MSDN account which will cost you $12,000.00! :eek: Just an FYI, but they all do the basics that you will need. Ultimate will cover all languages supported in one IDE and with the money give you access to MSDN. As a beginner even pro will really not be needed as it just ads more functionality that you won't learn about in class.

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products/2010-editions/visual-basic-express

Also, if you have a school e-mail account you can get an account with DreamSpark and get the pro version for free via the site.

https://www.dreamspark.com/default.aspx

You can download the programs on a mac and simply burn them to CD to install on Windows. Just stick a blank cd and drag them to the CD in finder. Click the CD and you will see and icon to burn it. Simple enough...

Oh, and yes, you can install the 32bit software on 64bit OS, just not the other way around. ;)
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Thank you for your insight! I may have forgot to mention but yes I do have a MSDN account so that's why I am asking which to pick since they are all free. Might as well get the best and most complete if its all free right? ;)

I thought I would need to use Disk Utility? Maybe download from the site and would I then be able to simply drag to disk utility to burn a bootable disc? How does that work? Wouldn't I need to use a DVD?

Thanks again!
 
Yeah, get Ultimate since you have MSDN. It's overkill but who cares? :)

How are you running Windows? If it's through a VM then you should be able to mount the ISO file directly, otherwise use Disk Utility to produce a DVD (it won't fit on a CD).
 
Nermal said:
Yeah, get Ultimate since you have MSDN. It's overkill but who cares? :)

How are you running Windows? If it's through a VM then you should be able to mount the ISO file directly, otherwise use Disk Utility to produce a DVD (it won't fit on a CD).
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I am currently running Lion and using Boot Camp to run Windows 7. Could you clarify on how I would go about putting the Visio, Visual Studio, and Windows 7 install on discs? I can download and burn the discs all through OS X correct?

Thank you!
 
Yep, just pull down the three images from MSDN Subscriber Downloads and use Disk Utility to produce DVDs.

There is a 64-bit version of Visio but the 32-bit version is recommended (64-bit is intended for add-in developers at this stage).
 
All 32-bit programs will run, the only things that won't are 16-bit programs (drawback of the x86-64 architecture running in 64-bit mode).
 
Nermal said:
Yep, just pull down the three images from MSDN Subscriber Downloads and use Disk Utility to produce DVDs.

There is a 64-bit version of Visio but the 32-bit version is recommended (64-bit is intended for add-in developers at this stage).
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So just drag them into it? Any precautions to take or small steps to do when I burn the discs? Would I be able to boot with the Windows 7 disc? Also should I bother getting the Windows 7 with SP1 or no?

Thanks again!

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Quad5Ny said:
All 32-bit programs will run, the only things that won't are 16-bit programs (drawback of the x86-64 architecture running in 64-bit mode).
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but are there many business programs in 16 bit?
 
ohla313 said:
So just drag them into it? Any precautions to take or small steps to do when I burn the discs? Would I be able to boot with the Windows 7 disc? Also should I bother getting the Windows 7 with SP1 or no?
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I personally use the "Burn" icon on the toolbar but drag and drop probably works too. You shouldn't have to tweak any settings.

Use the SP1 image.

ohla313 said:
but are there many business programs in 16 bit?
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There are very few 16-bit apps still around; most of them are 15+ years old.
 
Nermal said:
I personally use the "Burn" icon on the toolbar but drag and drop probably works too. You shouldn't have to tweak any settings.

Use the SP1 image.



There are very few 16-bit apps still around; most of them are 15+ years old.
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Great! thank you. I read somewhere that SP1 is just extra features and updates bundled in that you can get from Windows Update but I'll take your word and go with the SP1.

Edit: Here's what I got.

http://cl.ly/302E2T413F1E1V2N3W1z
 
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Nermal said:
Hmm. That appears to be a custom site (Microsoft's works on Mac) so I can't offer any advice.
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Well since these are Windows' products I can only download them when on Windows? When I clicked "Start Download" I got a small .exe file. But then again how would I be able to make a install backup later..Maybe I need to do that on Windows. It even does that for the Windows 7 install! Maybe I need to download these all on my Windows 7 partition..

I'll boot into it and report what happened.
 
Ahh, a MSDNAA site.

Yes, the best way is to boot into Windows and download the small .exe file from the MSDNAA site. Once that is done, run that file to download the actual installer file/image.

Depending on the program being downloaded you may get a .exe installer file or a .iso disk image. You can then store the installer files anywhere you want.
 
ShinyDren said:
Ahh, a MSDNAA site.

Yes, the best way is to boot into Windows and download the small .exe file from the MSDNAA site. Once that is done, run that file to download the actual installer file/image.

Depending on the program being downloaded you may get a .exe installer file or a .iso disk image. You can then store the installer files anywhere you want.
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And after I download the actual installer/image I can move it to Mac and burn it to a DVD via disk utility?
 
ohla313 said:
And after I download the actual installer/image I can move it to Mac and burn it to a DVD via disk utility?
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Short answer, yes.

The files can be stored on any partition/disk they will fit on (HFS+, FAT32, NTFS...). Obviously .exe installers have to be run while running Windows, but as long as windows can read the disk it should work. The .iso images can be burned using any program on any platform that is capable of doing so, Disk Utility works fine for this.
 
ShinyDren said:
Short answer, yes.

The files can be stored on any partition/disk they will fit on (HFS+, FAT32, NTFS...). Obviously .exe installers have to be run while running Windows, but as long as windows can read the disk it should work. The .iso images can be burned using any program on any platform that is capable of doing so, Disk Utility works fine for this.
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Does that mean I need to be logged into Windows and Mac OS? I am using Boot Camp so I am not sure how I can have the installer running when burning it.

So if I get .iso images I can move it to the Mac partition and burn it through disk utility?
 
The downloader will need to be run in Windows but the resulting .iso files can be accessed from your OS X installation. You don't need to run Windows and OS X simultaneously :)
 
Nermal said:
The downloader will need to be run in Windows but the resulting .iso files can be accessed from your OS X installation. You don't need to run Windows and OS X simultaneously :)
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great! thank you. I am on my Windows partition and am installing the install file. It is a .sdc file, is this the file I burn to disc?
 
Nermal said:
I have no idea what an .sdc file is. MSDN images are usually .iso files.
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Nevermind, the .sdc was the installer and after it finished downloading a folder with the .iso appeared! success! So I just copy this to my Mac side and then burn it via Disk Utility?
 
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