Quality seems pretty good in my experience. No different than the past. I had 2007 and 2011 MBPs with worse problems than my 2016s.
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Users Find Some New MacBook Pros Suffer From Major Graphics Issues
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Did you really just say build quality in a post about hardware failures with links to other posts with hardware failures on a day when new hardware failures were announced? Did you also just say screen quality in a post about screen failures. Did you also just mention MacOS in a week where driver issues cause hardware damage running under both Windows and MacOS?.
What is "input quality"? Is that having massive amounts of dongles? Then yes...you win there!
You may not be crazy, but the defense is weak. And I will not leave, you're welcome!
I'm hoping that this article turns out to be correct. Its fair to say that Adobe CC has its faults.
For those who suspect that the GPU is not getting enough power, I can say that it works fine in other applications. Davinci Resolve, for example, can render for ages without any problems at all. Move over to Adobe and you get 'CATERR' catastrophic error ......
That sounds kinda funny. How can your experience be "pretty good" when you've had problems with 2007 and 2011 MBP's? ^^ Just kidding ...
I fully agree the overall quality is really good, however i also have to conclude that every (!) macbook that i've owned had issues with GPUs. - An experience shared by many. And this is what i was refering to.
chips overheating. the writing is on the wall.
but sure, go ahead, make the damn thing thinner.
but sure, go ahead, make the damn thing thinner.
My late 2014 had no issues whatsoever. And the symptoms here don't match thermal overload. It happens only with certain apps, and in my case happened when the dGPU wasn't even active. Looks like a software issue.
Unfortunately MacRumors seems to have a slant on their reporting. Some points of interest in the Apple sphere don't get covered at all. Head over to other sites like 9to5mac and you'll get the great, good, bad and ugly reported.
Reporting should be accurate, timely, and to the point. We don't need a long articles, but we do need factual and coverage across all issues, the good or bad.
Of interest, MacRumors still has a 'Buy Now' recommendation for the 2016 MBP. Perhaps an asterisk should be added?
Chances are Apple has a serious problem on their hands with this, as in a hardware issue which will necessitate a model-wide recall.
Obviously a last resort, so for now they'll continue to replace offending units. But that can probably only last so long as those suffering these GPU glitches are likely to continue to with new units. It seems this problem principally or only surfaces under heavy load, thus why more than a few customers have not seen it—but they would if doing similar tasks.
My guess is the cause does not lie with the AMD GPUs but what is supporting them. If Apple is lucky this is software related, but probably not. Meaning they will have to redesign some aspect of the motherboard. Maybe a quick fix on Apple's part, although how this could have been overlooked in development is puzzling. It may transpire that a more thorough redesign is necessary, taking some serious time.
Then Apple could suffer major embarrassment in implementing a total recall of all 2016 MBPs. Or more likely continue more or less as they are now in replacing units, only promising to replace all once a proper design implemented.
At this point, they only have unpleasant options to choose from.
Chances are Apple has a serious problem on their hands with this, as in a hardware issue which will necessitate a model-wide recall.
Obviously a last resort, so for now they'll continue to replace offending units. But that can probably only last so long as those suffering these GPU glitches are likely to continue to with new units. It seems this problem principally or only surfaces under heavy load, thus why more than a few customers have not seen it—but they would if doing similar tasks.
My guess is the cause does not lie with the AMD GPUs but what is supporting them. If Apple is lucky this is software related, but probably not. Meaning they will have to redesign some aspect of the motherboard. Maybe a quick fix on Apple's part, although how this could have been overlooked in development is puzzling. It may transpire that a more thorough redesign is necessary, taking some serious time.
Then Apple could suffer major embarrassment in implementing a total recall of all 2016 MBPs. Or more likely continue more or less as they are now in replacing units, only promising to replace all once a proper design implemented.
At this point, they only have unpleasant options to choose from.
Or funding rides share services in China.
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Yep,
It's probably NOT Hardware or overheating. It only happens on certain apps and it's happening on machines with different graphic cards.
Overheating would slam machine after machine and FAST.
But Apple has already REPLACED some units. Why do that if it's NOT hardware? What cure is there in a replacement if this issue is on every Macbook Pro? Perhaps Apple does not yet know what's going on.
I own the Macbook Pro 13 with Touch Bar. Don't kid yourselves. I have the latest loaded Air and a very nice Macbook Pro 15 as well. These new notebooks are fast and beautiful to work on. The screen is a work of art and the keyboard feels so precise.
The "pile on" mentality happens every time a product like this has an issue. But issues are COMMON, folks.
Robert
Overheating would slam machine after machine and FAST.
But Apple has already REPLACED some units. Why do that if it's NOT hardware? What cure is there in a replacement if this issue is on every Macbook Pro? Perhaps Apple does not yet know what's going on.
I own the Macbook Pro 13 with Touch Bar. Don't kid yourselves. I have the latest loaded Air and a very nice Macbook Pro 15 as well. These new notebooks are fast and beautiful to work on. The screen is a work of art and the keyboard feels so precise.
The "pile on" mentality happens every time a product like this has an issue. But issues are COMMON, folks.
Robert
Because Steve was sick and going to die. He picked the best and safest person available. I'm sure he had other more important things on his mind than who ran Apple. I know I would have.
Could be an accurate prognosis.
Like where you are headed with design. Shame you are not the lead designer for the new MBP.
I really hope you're right and that's not hardware. I'd guess at this point Apple doesn't really know what's happening and replacing them is all they can do for people until they figure it out, so that doesn't mean it must be a hardware issue. But I'm just wishfully thinking until we know for sure.
I'm not going to cancel, but I'm glad there's an extended return period. As soon as I get mine (should be coming on Tuesday) I'm going to test my most graphics intensive tasks and see what happens.
I couldn't agree with you more. It was as if several threads with over 7 pages of battery and graphics issues wasn't enough for them to post an article on its front page. I suppose an MR committee convened and finally felt the yelling was loud enough to say something.
The only comfort I take in the post is that subsequent to it the battery issue was posted.
Because Apple is obsessed to make the Notebooks so extra-thin it is true that Apple hardware does have more problems with overheating. Remember the first MacBook Air who has to shut down one CPU core to prevent overheating when it was forced to make a large batch of calculations? The same is true for the Mac Pro 2013 if you force it to use every CPU and GPU core at 100% load. Apple's thermal cooling system is always underpowered on their thin machines (except the large Mac Pro machines from 2012) - either they need to switch off CPU cores or their iMacs had a lot of heat issues because the housing was extremely thin and to keep those machines quiet by keeping the fans spinning low they forced temperatures up to over 100° C (212 F) if you're playing Games on Bootcamp which surely kills your GPU in the long run.
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