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Does your November 2018 MacBook Pro have a flickering problem?

  • Vega 20, yes

    Votes: 42 54.5%
  • Vega 20, no

    Votes: 33 42.9%
  • Vega 16, yes

    Votes: 2 2.6%
  • Vega 16, no

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    77
I already returned it weeks ago so that’s neither here nor there.

I may order a new one once Mojave 10.14.3 comes out and we can confirm that this issue is resolved.
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This is caused by a bug in macOS, specifically the function "Automatic brightness adjustment" in display options. This bug has persisted for several months now, hopefully Apple will be able to fix it soon. (I had the issue with both my 2016 MacBook, and now also with a 2018 MacBook Pro.)

If that’s the cause, wouldn’t disabling automatic brightness adjustment stop the flickering? That had no effect for me.

Also if the issue has been around for months how come the issue only started when I updated to 10.14.2?
 
OK, if the issue persisted when disabling automatic brightness adjustment, then I don't know. Hopefully it'll work out, good luck!
 
OK, if the issue persisted when disabling automatic brightness adjustment, then I don't know. Hopefully it'll work out, good luck!
Yeah, I never had automatic brightness adjustment enabled (I just checked), so it seems to be something specific to the graphics card switching automatically after sleep since just swapping the graphics card back and forth manually post sleep and then putting it on automatic seems to temporarily fix for that usage time until the next sleep
 
I'm having the same issue on my new MBP. The only fix is to toggle the automatic brightness checkbox. Pretty annoying for such an expensive machine. I have till Jan. 8th do decide if I should return it.
 

Same thing is happing on mine. This is my second unit with the exact same specs...

MacBook Pro i9 2.6 6-core w/ Radeon Pro Vega 20 with 4GB of HBM2 memory TWO DAYS OLD - MACBOOK PRO SCREEN FLICKERS WHEN CONNECTED SINGLE EXTERNAL DISPLAY VIA USB-C TO HDMI This is my second unit. The first unit with the same specs was returned by me on December 17, 2018 for the same issue with the screen flickering when hooked up an external display. Decided to try it again so reordered the same model. As you can see it also flickers. I've tried everything including different external displays, and the MacBook Pro flickers regardless of type.
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It’s not a bad flicker and it’s not coming from the screen but from the software. It’s totally normal.
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Yeah, that still shouldn't be happening. I hope that it doesn't indicate an issue with the Vega 20 card on your machine. Like you said, at least you have until January 8 to find out.

I bought two identical i9 Vega 20 32gb Macbook pros in the last month and both of them have screen flickering issues...
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^You mean hardware acceleration? I don't think that's the problem here. But even if it is, disabling hardware acceleration causes other problems, so I don't think would be an acceptable compromise.

I had flickering even when I wasn't using Chrome. I often only used Safari and yet I'd still see flickering.

I use Firefox, have for years and I can confirm the issue isn't limited to Google Chrome, or the type of USB-C adapter you are using, or the brand of external monitor, or the circuity in your house and appliances drawing too much current away from the power adapter connected to your Macbook. None of these are the problem.

I initially thought it might have something to do with the inverter.

Apple Support insofar has been useless...
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That is very wise and the best thing to do in this situation. It could very well be a hardware defect; you won’t know for sure unless it’s fixed by software. Even if you get a brand new replacement from Apple I’m not sure if it resets your return window (can anyone confirm?). For this reason I’m more comfortable just processing a return and then buying again completely separately to get a new replacement window.

Your configuration is insanely expensive for a laptop (albeit a high-end one) and it should work as expected out of the box. Whatever you do, don’t accept any delaying tactics from Apple. They may very well try to instigate a software support process which is both time consuming and annoying.

As a warning to anyone else that might experience an issue like this on a new product my advice is to politely but firmly say you’re not interested in a support process for a brand new product that doesn’t meet your reasonable expectations (such as a non-flickering display). If Apple can’t supply a hardware and software package that is free from problems they should accept it back and work on their QA/QC, not expect the customer to be inconvenienced by a drawn-out support process and having to endure a brand new computer they paid good money for that has issues. Of course no QA/QC process can guarantee a 100% problem-free shipping inventory, but the end result for the customer is the same: just don’t accept flawed, broken or problematic products!

Even though the throttling issue was ultimately fixed with software (and this could be too), that would’ve been reason enough to return it before the issue was fixed in my opinion because affected units weren’t performing to spec. Funny how quickly Apple got onto that one given how widespread the problem was.

I did a full-blown exchange after waiting for a refund on the old one that flickered. I then ordered an i9 Vega 20 with the exact specs. The new one also has issues with the screen flickering (see video).
 
Man. That isn't good. Are you going to try a 3rd or bail on it? That would drive me nuts.

Probably not as this has been a royal pain sorting all this out. I would expect a hell of a lot more for the $4200 price tag I paid for this machine.

It would be interesting to see if the flickering would go away if I rolled back the OS from Mojave to High Sierra.

I need the MAC OS but will most likely wait until their announcements next summer to place a new order. Maybe by then they'll allow you to upgrade DIMMs to 64 GB.

The quality control at Apple over the last decade has turned to complete ****.
 
Hmmm, this makes me worried. My almost maxed out i9 MBP hasn't had this issue yet, but I swear when I am on my main screen and my laptop is off to the side, I sometimes think I see a flicker. But I never catch it while looking at it. So I am not sure if mine is doing it. It's rare I see that happen though. Mine has the Vega 20. Otherwise it's been a solid machine.
 
I would rule out software issues first, before possibly returning a fully functioning computer.

A computer with a flickering screen hardly qualifies as “fully functioning”.

This thread has convinced me to avoid the current high-end units for now. I may pick up a “traveller” 13-inch to tide me over until Apple sorts their **** out, but so long as Tim Cook is running things I don’t think customers or quality are their highest priorities.
 
A computer with a flickering screen is hardly “fully functioning”.
Well it happens with my MacBook 2016 and MacBook Pro 2018, and Apple has told me it's a software bug (automatic brightness adjustment). This bug has been an issue for several months, I wonder why it's so hard for Apple to fix this. Maybe just laziness..?
 
Well it happens with my MacBook 2016 and MacBook Pro 2018, and Apple has told me it's a software bug (automatic brightness adjustment). This bug has been an issue for several months, I wonder why it's so hard for Apple to fix this. Maybe just laziness..?

Haha.
They told me it was a software bug too. Then they refunded me after 60 days of bickering over apple support.

I was asking them what kind of software bug only affects a specific computer, not all other with exact same configuration, and why wasn't it fixed over 3 updates, one of them being major from High Sierra to Mojave.
My old 2012 doesn't exhibit these issues - haven't received the 13" yet to try it.

A computer with a flickering screen hardly qualifies as “fully functioning”.

This thread has convinced me to avoid the current high-end units for now. I may pick up a “traveller” 13-inch to tide me over until Apple sorts their s**t out, but so long as Tim Cook is running things I don’t think customers or quality are their highest priorities.
steve jobs died before 2012 retina mac was released.
And as an early adopter I recall horrible graphic glitching well into 10.9... Whole 10.8 was a disaster. These machines are now touted as "best macbook pros"
 
I would return it as I don’t buy the software argument.

My 2010 MBP, 2013 MBP and 2018 MBP (with the 560X) don’t have this flickering with the same software.

If it was a software issue, then everybody would have this problem?
 
My Vega 20 MBP flickers as well with an external projector attached. Changing settings like brightness and automatic graphsics switching, Chrome settings etc doesn't seem to help.
 
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I would return it as I don’t buy the software argument.

My 2010 MBP, 2013 MBP and 2018 MBP (with the 560X) don’t have this flickering with the same software.

If it was a software issue, then everybody would have this problem?

Agreed. For me, the problem was introduced with a software update, but since it didn’t affect everyone the problem ultimately has to be the hardware.

I guess I have nothing to lose by trying another one. I just hope the flickering doesn’t start after the return period. :confused:
 
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^Yep, although everyone seems to be describing something different. For some, Chrome is the problem, for others it's external displays, for others it's Netflix, and for some it's brightness related, for others it's automatic graphics switching related. Hard to make a gate out of all of these.

But I guess the common thread is the Vega graphics card. If it's happening in all these different circumstances then that seems to me that it's a hardware glitch that shows up in various ways.
 
As I mentioned in another thread, I would be interested to see what would happen if one rolled back OS from Mojave to High Sierra on the new Vega/i9 chipsets.

I'm talking about a complete bare metal install of High Sierra completely removing Mojave.

My MacPro was shipped with 10.14.1 Mojave and it flickered. The first step support had me try was to upgrade to 10.14.2 and guess what...it still flickered.
 
Haha.
They told me it was a software bug too. Then they refunded me after 60 days of bickering over apple support.

I was asking them what kind of software bug only affects a specific computer, not all other with exact same configuration, and why wasn't it fixed over 3 updates, one of them being major from High Sierra to Mojave.
My old 2012 doesn't exhibit these issues - haven't received the 13" yet to try it.


steve jobs died before 2012 retina mac was released.
And as an early adopter I recall horrible graphic glitching well into 10.9... Whole 10.8 was a disaster. These machines are now touted as "best macbook pros"

That maybe true when Jobs died, but he left like 10 years of ideas and plans for future products with Tim to push on with.
 
That maybe true when Jobs died, but he left like 10 years of ideas and plans for future products with Tim to push on with.
guess not. still, remember the "you're holding it wrong" with the iphone 4?
 
Hopefully third times the charm but I won't order again until a new OS is released and Apple has confirmed the issue fixed...
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That maybe true when Jobs died, but he left like 10 years of ideas and plans for future products with Tim to push on with.
I just got through reading the Walter Issacson biography on him. He lived a pretty remarkable life. Needless to say this crap where billions are spent in test/dev only to have a major **** up on the assembly-manifacturing side wouldn't fly if he were still with us. Steve ran Apple like a private company and was all about innovation. He couldn't give two ***** if Apple were profitable. Being profitable was just an added bonus. For Jobs it was all about revolutionizing consumer technology.
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Just updated to Mojave 10.14.2 today and the screen started flickering. Happens every few seconds or so.

The model is 2.6 GHz/Vega 20/16 GB RAM/1 TB SSD.

Anyone else having the same problem with their Late Nov. MBP?

Observations (updated):

-It never happened once before updating macOS today.
-It happens when automatic graphic switching is disabled. Enabling graphics switching stops the flickering. Disabling it again does not cause the flickering to return.
-It happens more when I wake the computer from sleep.

Could anyone who has a Vega MBP and has updated to 10.14.2 do this test for me?

1. Disable automatic graphics switching. (System Preferences --> Energy Saver)
2. Put the computer to sleep. Wait 5-10 seconds.
3. Wake the computer and begin using Safari or Chrome or Mail or any app. Do you see any flickering?
Could it be how everyone's external displays are physically connected (hdmi adapters, cheap adapters, docks, high res, etc.) to the MBP and causing a signal sync issue? I found this post interesting and been testing my MBP the past couple days. I have the same model as you 2.6 GHz/Vega 20/16 GB RAM/1 TB SSD and also mfg'd Late November. I've been testing as you requested with automatic graphics switching on/off, sleep/wake, reboot, auto brightness on/off, etc. but can't get it to flicker. My MBP only has one connection to a CalDigit TS3+ dock, the monitor connects to the dock via DisplayPort to DisplayPort but runs mostly in low res 1080p. I received the MBP with 10.14.1 but immediately installed 10.14.2 and been running it 3 weeks.
 
Well I'm not using an external display so that doesn't apply to me.

But that's why I think it's a hardware issue. I must've had a defective graphics chip. The fact that you have the same build with all the same software yet don't have the flickering problem kinda proves that.
 
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It would be interesting if one were to screen share remotely if they could see the issue or if persisted only on the end user display...
 
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