Vegan wants to buff up.

[wakerider017]

Was going vegan a health or moral choice? Just curious.

 

[lena]

eat steak.

pound sand.

 

[Iscariot]

Iscariot, as usual, is giving great advice. While I love the delicious taste of meat, you can make the necessary choices being a vegetarian to accomplish all of your bodily goals, it just takes some more/less work depending on what it is.

Thanks, Badandy. And yeah, by Gandalf's beard I wish I fell into the "less work" category.

As for the whole "normal" thing: is it really something you'd want to do? I mean, the numbers on "overweight" and "obese" in America and Canada are pretty crap. Normal might not be in anyone's best interest. I can't find any statistics on what percentage of Americans classify as "fit", though, so those numbers don't paint a whole picture, and of course underweight has just as many health risks as overweight. And unfortunately Hummer didn't give his weight, so there's another deficit of data.

I crave datum. I need to consume it! This lack of information is like a wound to me. I suffer most gravely.

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

Thanks, Badandy. And yeah, by Gandalf's beard I wish I fell into the "less work" category.

Well you do on some things. Telling you to lower your cholesterol is a hell of a lot easier than telling a meat eater to lower their cholesterol. Unfortunately, for the original poster, saying "You need to gain muscle mass" is harder than usual.

As for the whole "normal" thing: is it really something you'd want to do? I mean, the numbers on "overweight" and "obese" in America and Canada are pretty crap.

Well there are meat-eaters who are not overweight or obese, as you know. It's more of a lifestyle choice. For example, I will eat a cheeseburger (not McDonalds) at a restaurant with some fresh fries (not cooked with preservatives) and then go play two and a half hours of basketball the same day. The next day, I'll eat a turkey/ham/cheese sandwich and lift weights. Someone else however, who would still be classified as a meat eater, would eat at McDonalds and supersize their fries. They will go home and watch reality TV without getting physical exercise then complain about how them being fat and unhealthy is not their fault. We are both meat eaters, but it can be done in a better way.

And unfortunately Hummer didn't give his weight, so there's another deficit of data.

From reading his posts, I'm assuming he does not get enough calories, which is a very bad thing if you are underweight.

 

[Iscariot]

Well you do on some things. Telling you to lower your cholesterol is a hell of a lot easier than telling a meat eater to lower their cholesterol. Unfortunately, for the original poster, saying "You need to gain muscle mass" is harder than usual.

I do certainly enjoy knowing high cholesterol isn't a problem I'll ever have, but damned if putting on the pounds isn't a pain in my butt.

Well there are meat-eaters who are not overweight or obese, as you know. It's more of a lifestyle choice. For example, I will eat a cheeseburger (not McDonalds) at a restaurant with some fresh fries (not cooked with preservatives) and then go play two and a half hours of basketball the same day. The next day, I'll eat a turkey/ham/cheese sandwich and lift weights. Someone else however, who would still be classified as a meat eater, would eat at McDonalds and supersize their fries. They will go home and watch reality TV without getting physical exercise then complain about how them being fat and unhealthy is not their fault. We are both meat eaters, but it can be done in a better way.

Oh for sure. My rock climbing/running partner is a meat eater, and he's in phenomenal shape. I may be atheltic, but he is an athlete. And there are plenty of vegans who are overweight, even obese. I know a few. But "normal" or "average" would be the TV watching, McDonalds eating latter.

From reading his posts, I'm assuming he does not get enough calories, which is a very bad thing if you are underweight.

Yeah, but Iscariot wants to know how much. It could be the difference between "drink a protein shake and lift weights for 20 minutes" and "you need to seriously re-evaluate your lifestyle", and I'd like to provide the most effective feedback I can.

 

[wongulous]

Honestly, you're going to have to consider non-creepy, ethically-produced animal products (not necessarily byproducts), such as eggs and milk. They CAN be produced ethically--I grew up on a farm. Otherwise, you're probably not going to be able to consume the massive amounts of protein and get the full amino acid sets you'll need to synthesize quickly in order to build muscle or do a bulking- or cutting-cycle (a necessary process to gain mass). :\

But soy protein is a start... there's egg albumin protein protein as well if you can't handle whey.. but honestly real food is better. And real food you can buy from local farms where they have freerange chickens that you can SEE are freerange and healthy; same with milk; or if you are near a fish-producing area, maybe look into pescatarianism (you could totally bodybuild with only fish+plants).

Real food is always > than supplements.

 

[Iscariot]

Honestly, you're going to have to consider non-creepy, ethically-produced animal products (not necessarily byproducts), such as eggs and milk. They CAN be produced ethically--I grew up on a farm. Otherwise, you're probably not going to be able to consume the massive amounts of protein and get the full amino acid sets you'll need to synthesize quickly in order to build muscle or do a bulking- or cutting-cycle (a necessary process to gain mass). :\

But soy protein is a start... there's egg albumin protein protein as well if you can't handle whey.. but honestly real food is better. And real food you can buy from local farms where they have freerange chickens that you can SEE are freerange and healthy; same with milk; or if you are near a fish-producing area, maybe look into pescatarianism (you could totally bodybuild with only fish+plants).

Real food is always > than supplements.

You don't actually "need" massive amounts of protein to bulk up at all; it's more a necessary component for bulking up quickly. Charlie Abel is a raw vegan body builder who eats about 85 grams of protein a day, nearly all of it from bananas. He's not a heavyweight, but he does very well in competition and he's wicked ripped for a 49 year old.

Charlie winning Mr. Sonoma County at age 24.

 

[Trip.Tucker]

Whey Protein
Vegan Creatine

He said vegan....no whey.

 

[Leareth]

Just to throw this out there.
my local nutrient store sells protein powders made from :
Brown Rice
Hemp
Legumes
Potatoes
Almonds
Artichokes.

I dont know how well they work but just to point out that there are more vegan options then just Soy.