I haven't experienced any of that but I did just discover my first bug, but it's pretty minor: Stage Manager won't turn off if you've used it for a long period of time.
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Ventura's the best update I've ever used. It's gonna be a big one y'all
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"best update I've ever used"
"Been using macOS for only 1.5 years"
Your perspective doesn't mean much then to me
"Been using macOS for only 1.5 years"
Your perspective doesn't mean much then to me
I've been using macOS (OS X) since 10.4 Tiger. That was when I left Windows (XP) in the dust! Switched from a Sony VAIO to the final G4 PowerBook model and never looked back. (Until having to buy an ancient Dell to run XP for BMW diagnostics software last month. 😖) I was also lucky to get an iMac G4 which I used from 2009-2011 running Tiger through Leopard.
For me Ventura is feeling like the next Tiger, Snow Leopard, and High Sierra: a strong, stable, polished OS without too much fanfare.
Tiger added tons of features but was also super solid from what I recall, to the point of being historic in terms of OS X stability. And wasn't Mountain Lion the attempt to polish Lion? (I can't remember how that fared though, so have left it out of my list. Big Sur was also great, as OP mentions, and maybe deserves to be on that list.)
So every few years we get an OS upgrade that's strong & stable rather than fancy & pioneering. Ventura seems to be the next one of those. The new features are neat but not groundbreaking IMO, aside potentially for the iPhone camera integration. Stage Manager, I don't know yet… I had been blocking my desktop view for years with a third-party app until Stacks came along and I stopped. Now I heavily use Spaces and Magnet.app for window sizing. I'll probably only use SM if real-world scenarios pop up making me want to organize multiple windows in one Space, which might occur when I'm deep in a future writing project. (Organizing writing projects pre-Spaces was maddening.)
I held out until Ventura b3 for use on my main Mac and it's operating very normally (aside from possible FUBARing my Safari Tab Groups, which could be iOS 16b2's fault). It's crashed only once. I barely notice that it's not Monterey. So here's to a year of good OS usage … and our warning sign to be ready for new bumpiness in the OS come macOS 14!
I'm in that gray zone where I've mastered Spaces but still barely know exactly what a kernel is or why it's crashed my Mac in the past, lol.
Look, I think 3D desktops would be a huge leaps in functionality if someone figured out how to make it possible to interact in 3D, not just 3D look but with 2D limited interaction.
Keyword: The best update I've used.
I didn't say it was the best macOS version. I said it was the best OS update I have used. That includes ALL OS updates I've used over my lifetime. You assumed I was only talking about macOS when I mentioned how disappointed I was with Windows 11
It’s okay, that was the general consensus in the community.
To be fair to Apple though, and this is only on reflection, Catalina was a beta of Big Sur minus the UI change. It’s so obvious looking that it was being optimised for another architecture.
Regardless that doesn't excuse it for being a steaming pile of [REDACTED], especially when the 2019 16 inch MBPs and Meme Pros were stuck preinstalled with it with no way to downgrade it. So many orgs stuck with overpriced Macs that could not go to Mojave so a lot of their software was incompatible.
that sounds... like an alternate history. in the world i live in, people used their macs on catalina. sure, some whined about it on macrumors (this is an annual event here; every new mac OS is 'the worst ever', etc).
people used their macs and life went on. then a new OS dropped.
btw, no mac can install an OS earlier than the one it ships with; that's by design.
Eh somebody always says that every year when a new OS is released heh. So far Ventura is pretty tight. Only issue I had was the funky wifi, but after about an hour or so, (and messing with Little Snitch a bit) it finally woke up and has been fine since then. I guess I do have one other issue, the light/dark wallpaper isn't changing so I've been on the 'dark' red and orange graphics from the get go (that blue/orange is kinda ugly though and I have no idea what has to do with Ventura). Don't see much different in the way of stability than I did in Monterey, Big Sur, Catalina, Mojave, High Sierra, etc.. Everything is just working as it should, didn't even run into any trouble using an eGPU to do the upgrade either.
I'm shocked ALL my music apps are working this time. With both Big Sur and Monterey a few things broke here and there but I've pretty much picked up right where I left off at 12.4 and kept going. Cubase, Ableton Live, MIDIQuest, all my plugins, Akai's Network MIDI port (broke during Big Sur and is CRITICAL to syncing my MPC with the Mac), even old AudioFinder is still working (thank god, the dev went to work for Twitter and totally abandoned his sample manager).
Seen folks complaining about SMB issues, but none of that here. Have been able to copy to and from my QNAP NAS just fine, and if anything, it looks like they may have improved SMB connections. My NAS randomly disconnects whenever it wants to, so far it's been connected since Saturday and hasn't dropped once. Gotta figure out how to re-add it to my login items now though so it mounts when I login again.
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Now that's a funny bug. Forcing you to use something you potentially don't like 😅 IMO Stage manager is horrible.
then don't use it. and for people who find it useful... they can use it. everyone wins
That's why I said "you potentially don't like". If Stage Manager fits someone's workflow, I'm happy for him/her
It's a very minor update.
They added a window management feature that no one uses that is duplicative of a better system—just because they wanted to add it on iPad and for it to look similar.
System Prefs just looks different/more like iOS. Redesigning one app is hardly a "big update." Safari gets redesigned and updated from time to time and that rarely has required an OS update.
Using your iPhone as a webcam is a cool feature but again, feels very minor.
From what I'm hearing, and I'm not a fan either but MacOS is going to become more and more iOS.
I'm hoping they'll stick to just adding iOS-like features and making macOS and iOS look more similar. I don't care as much about how it looks (iOS already looks like Mac OS X/macOS and has for a while); it makes sense to make them look similar so people who use iPhones are more likely to use Macs.
But I hope they don't take away the features and functionality that makes macOS so great. And I think they know they'd be dumb to do so—which I think is probably part of why they are resisting making iPads run macOS. They know the OSes are just too different.