What "deep discounts"? Signing on to the most expensive network? They agree to a price per phone. If they want to take more of a loss, and say you can pick up a 5S as a "free" phone, that's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Verizon Could Face Up to $14 Billion in Unsold iPhone Purchase Commitments for 2013
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What "deep discounts"? Signing on to the most expensive network? They agree to a price per phone. If they want to take more of a loss, and say you can pick up a 5S as a "free" phone, that's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Suddenly everybody has friends that were duped to buy Android phones
Mine was duped to buy a BB Storm. Although, I don't think she planned to buy an iPhone back then.
They might be able to sell them, if they included them in their advertisements, instead of the crappy droid devices. I know a lot of people who wanted iPhones but either believed that they weren't on Verizon Wireless's network, or were told they didn't work well by commissioned sales people.
You are incorrect.
The SG3, SG4 and many other Android Phones have the ability to use voice and data at the same time.
It's a limitation of the iPhone 5 and LTE. Blame Apple, Not Verizon.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2409716,00.asp
You're right. To make those numbers, Verizon would need to stop selling
Android junk, and AT&T would need to go out of business immediately.
Both equally unlikely events.
Verizon F,,,up
See Verizon never should have took away the unlimited plan to the long term
users. Now since they did this they have lost customers that would have been using all those Iphones that verizon is stuck with. Way to go Verizon!!!!!
See Verizon never should have took away the unlimited plan to the long term
users. Now since they did this they have lost customers that would have been using all those Iphones that verizon is stuck with. Way to go Verizon!!!!!
...so does this exclude phones that were not bought AT verizon but activated on their network? Cause honestly, who buys from the carriers anymore? They used to give us $50 Ne2 credit. Now that the credit is out the window -- where's my incentive to buy from Verizon rather than buying directly from Apple?
Seems like Verizon has the perfect storm brewing...
- possible overestimation of iPhone popularity
- lack of advertising for the iPhone
- poor management, resulting in more aggressive sales of phones with better commissions for the sales force
Any one of these issues might be survivable on their own, but all 3 combined is a bad scenario.
Verizon clearly signed their life away to get an immediate slice of the iPhone pie with no regard for future sales.
This is obviously bad news for Verizon, but it also tarnishes Apple because they get their name attached to headlines like "Verizon eats billions in unsold iPhones".
- possible overestimation of iPhone popularity
- lack of advertising for the iPhone
- poor management, resulting in more aggressive sales of phones with better commissions for the sales force
Any one of these issues might be survivable on their own, but all 3 combined is a bad scenario.
Verizon clearly signed their life away to get an immediate slice of the iPhone pie with no regard for future sales.
This is obviously bad news for Verizon, but it also tarnishes Apple because they get their name attached to headlines like "Verizon eats billions in unsold iPhones".
Now, Apple is not living the times when their sales are doubling. If we look at 2010, we can see that Apple was experiencing really amazing quarters. Sales were exploding. Everything was good. Steve was there etc. Hence, the commitments look rational from that point of view.
However, the ostensible key mistake is to assume that Apple's sales will keep doubling. That's very unreasonable. Every company has a peak point in terms of growth and that must have been estimated.
Probably, they will renegotiate and fix that issue. Otherwise, Apple will lose in long term.
However, the ostensible key mistake is to assume that Apple's sales will keep doubling. That's very unreasonable. Every company has a peak point in terms of growth and that must have been estimated.
Probably, they will renegotiate and fix that issue. Otherwise, Apple will lose in long term.
But worse for Verizon.
As a longtime Verizon customer, I tried real hard to find any reason whatsoever to buy an iPhone 5 from Verizon. I researched every option, visited several Verizon stores and talked to several Verizon reps - but no matter what, they insisted on charging me full price (>$850) with no device or service discounts (like "new every two", about $100 credit), and monthly charges nigh unto confiscatory. I made it absolutely clear that there were many reasons to leave Verizon (like a $350 refurb iP5 from AT&T, and I needed 2) and I was begging them to give me a reason, however slight a concession, to stay - nada.
Yet, it seems, in making the purchase agreement with
, Verizon was assuming I'd pay a very steep full price and full service charges, when competitors were providing equal or better service with at least soften-the-blow discounts.Agree to buy iPhones for resale, and then give customers no reason to buy them? Well yeah that's gonna hurt...
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You forgot what I just noted above:
- treating would-be customers with a "FU, pay thru the nose and like it" attitude ...and that in a market of discounts and incentives
I switched to AT&T and got two refurb iP5s for less than the price of one at Verizon.
No carrier will be doing these types of sales anymore.
The T-Mobile no-contract (like the rest of the world has) is going to the normal thing from here out for everyone.
Verizon and AT&T made these commitments because they thought everyone will be locked into the 2 year cycle still at this point.
You're really kinda uninformed on this aren't you.
This has everything to do with the carriers. It has nothing to do with Apple.
T-Mobile and the rest of the world have no-contract plans. That is what people want with cheaper monthly rates and higher upfront costs.
No joke. This is Verizon's doing. They agreed to this silly commitment, they push non-iPhones in their stores over iPhones, and they don't discount the upfront pricing the way they do with other models because they don't want to cut into their margins. Well, which is worse: low margins or $billions in unsold product?
Nope. Carriers contribute but mostly it's Apple. It's really simple. Just look at the money trail. Whoever makes most profits is the one who is robbing the customers. If Apple did not charge exorbitant prices for iPhones the carriers would not have to pay them huge subsidies and therefore could keep plan priices lower.
Hopefully Europe will help us. They are already investigating Apple for exactly this type of abuses (minimum iPhone volume requirements). Once they charge Apple they will probably have to drop this practice in Europe and elsewhere.
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Call them, I once had this problem with AT&T (back when I had them); I was on the smallest plan, and by the time 'their systems synced' 2 - 3 days later I was apparently in the overage phase. I explained to them it's not my problem that their system is not 'up to date and takes up to 3 days to show actual usage', and taht if they are to limit my data they owe me accuracy.
They reversed the charges.
Yep, VZW is overpriced for somewhat better coverage in areas that are less populated. Major cities are covered just fine by the top four major carriers. Getting a smartphone there or at ATT in general is a pretty terrible experience in that you are automatically slammed into a data contract that adds a minimum of $20 to your monthly bill if not $30 or $40. This deters people from getting phones that could pull data via wifi and in general keeps them out of decent phones, android or apple.
Until someone works at Verizon verifies this I won't believe it. I would think if I worked with phones all day long, I'd find the iPhone boring and would prefer to play with the other phones because there is more to learn, and then as a result might push them on more people, despite them not necessarily being a better option for that user. For my parents an iPhone is better because it comes with everything you need, it's more simplistic and get things done quickly. For me, I can go any route, and I'm not sure which way I will go, but since my iPhone4 works fine, I'm not rushing to upgrade, when it means I'll get locked into another 2 year contract.
I think it's because Apple in general does a better job of marketing their iPhone than verizon, and might have an approval process from their brand management teams to air such commercials.
Well, this is definitely possible... in the case of my dad who is over 65. My mom wanted to get an iPhone, but he already had an iPad and had no interest in having a smartphone and paying for data when he would rarely use it if ever. He has a good gps in his vehicle, prefers not to text, reads books over watching movies, and doesn't listen to music other than when driving or sitting around at home. For this reason, the genius at the Apple store told him to not to waste money on an iPhone and get a regular cell phone for now. I think that's awesome. When he went to the ATT store they tried to get him to get an iPhone lol.
Come on now, that's a very narrow minded view. The "best" smart phone is purely opinion-based. Yes, one phone or another will win a certain category, but everyone will have a category that matters the most to them.
"Could keep plan prices lower". Yes, I'm sure any cost savings would be passed on to the consumer. This is from companies that want to force people into unlimited text plans or else charge 25 cents or more per text. Really?