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My point is, and always has been, if the customer TRULY wanted an iPhone, they would have an iPhone.
You're apparently unaware of how persuasive salesman can be and how easily influenced the average consumer is to said sales tactics.
 
VZW has always been weird about Apple

VZW has always been weird when it comes to Apple products. Several years ago when a customer could look up an account online Macs could not access that site. I phoned a few times and was told to use Windows.

When VZW first offered a PC card for data OS X was not supported. I wanted the card so badly I bought a pc notebook. It was bad out of the box. Totally unusable. RMD'd twice in the first 90 days. I never bought the cellular modem card because the notebook was so unreliable. Didn't want the 24 month contract.

It's just part of Verizon's corporate culture. They are weird about Apple anything. That's their prerogative.

Cook should collect the funds and use them to setup iPhone kiosks in shopping areas. It worked well for retail when Macs were the step children in electronics stores.
 
ahm because there are no superior phones ? If you look at the overall image ?
-> Security : iPhone
-> Color reproduction : iPhone
-> ease of use : iPhone
-> build quality : iPhone, HTC One
-> ScreenSize : depends on usage, i like smaller not bigger (i am a one handed user)
-> apps : iPhone

Security: really? Are you suggesting that the average user is so concerned about security so they're downloading outside of the Play Store/Amazon marketplace?

Color reproduction: Huh? Who buys based on this? It's resolution, and other phones have higher PPI.

Ease of use: This is 100% YOUR opinion.

Build Quality: Are you serious?

Screen size: I'm not even going to respond to this opinion, it's that laughable.

apps: Oy.

Look at things logically and not through your rose colored glasses.

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lol...there is always one comment like this in the every forum.

It doesn't make it any less true though (I mean, iOS 7 *IS* a complete design, after all).
 
I agree a lot of people just hop on the iphone bandwagon and are ignorant to most of the other competition. But if iPhone profited verizon more, then they'd heavily push the iphone over everyone else even if there are better phones.

I agree - and never have once thought otherwise.

My point has just been that if people were that bent on getting an iPhone, they'd have an iPhone, regardless of a salesman push.
 
Yet according to multiple posts, the "people coming in know[ing] exactly what they want" walk out with something else?

If you walked in to a car dealership and wanted a truck, would you be able to be coerced into a subcompact?

Maybe not me, but alot of people seemed to swayed by sales people.

Most people that walk into a verizon store to get an iPhone just know that want an iPhone so they can text, take pic, surf internet...standard stuff.

Once the sales persons (who they assume are just being honest and not working on commission) start pushing them to another phone that can do that also, I can see new/average smartphone users being swayed.
 
You obviously haven't tried to buy and iPhone in a Verizon store. They do push other phones for the commissions.

You are flat out wrong!

My friend owns 7 private verizon stores and you dont get better commissions over other phones.

you have a set quota you need to hit for the month and that includes new contracts and extending contracts and you have to sell a quota for accessories also.

so you got 3 things you need to do to hit your quota working for verizon and it doesn't matter what phone you sell.a contract is a contract!

Verizon workers DO NOT get paid more to sell other phones and verizon corporate would be retards to have incentives for selling other phones over the iphone when in fact they know they have to sell 25 billion worth to hit apples quota
 
Security: really? Are you suggesting that the average user is so concerned about security so they're downloading outside of the Play Store/Amazon marketplace?

Color reproduction: Huh? Who buys based on this? It's resolution, and other phones have higher PPI.

Ease of use: This is 100% YOUR opinion.

Build Quality: Are you serious?

Screen size: I'm not even going to respond to this opinion, it's that laughable.

apps: Oy.

Look at things logically and not through your rose colored glasses.

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It doesn't make it any less true though (I mean, iOS 7 *IS* a complete design, after all).
Yes... the iPhone is definitely at the top of the phone chain when it comes to color reproduction. That is a fact. But I don't think most consumers are concerned with that.
 
You're apparently unaware of how persuasive salesman can be and how easily influenced the average consumer is to said sales tactics.

Having worked on commission before, I'm pretty sure I do.

If a customer came in wanting something, I would listen to their needs, and suggest something based on that. If they still wanted their initial request, then I rang it up. Simple.
 
Yes... the iPhone is definitely at the top of the phone chain when it comes to color reproduction. That is a fact. But I don't think most consumers are concerned with that.

Correct, that was my point, that it was a bogus "reason" for saying an iPhone is "better", it doesn't come in to the decision making process.
 
You are flat out wrong!

My friend owns 7 private verizon stores and you dont get better commissions over other phones.

you have a set quota you need to hit for the month and that includes new contracts and extending contracts and you have to sell a quota for accessories also.

so you got 3 things you need to do to hit your quota working for verizon and it doesn't matter what phone you sell.a contract is a contract!

Verizon workers DO NOT get paid more to sell other phones and verizon corporate would be retards to have incentives for selling other phones over the iphone when in fact they know they have to sell 25 billion worth to hit apples quota

Your friend is lying to you....the incentives are there.
 
You are flat out wrong!

My friend owns 7 private verizon stores and you dont get better commissions over other phones.

you have a set quota you need to hit for the month and that includes new contracts and extending contracts and you have to sell a quota for accessories also.

so you got 3 things you need to do to hit your quota working for verizon and it doesn't matter what phone you sell.a contract is a contract!

Verizon workers DO NOT get paid more to sell other phones and verizon corporate would be retards to have incentives for selling other phones over the iphone when in fact they know they have to sell 25 billion worth to hit apples quota
I don't know what you're rambling on about. I said nothing about other phones making employees more commission... I'm saying they've been specifically told to try and sell anything but the iPhone.
 
Your friend is lying to you....the incentives are there.

Why in gods name would my friend that ive known that actually OWNS verizon stores lie to me?

His employees need to sell accessories and contracts including new contracts and the type of phone they buy has nothing to do with employees quota
 
I don't know what you're rambling on about. I said nothing about other phones making employees more commission... I'm saying they've been specifically told to try and sell anything but the iPhone.

You said they push other phones for incentives and tgat is flat out WRONG

he just texted me and said a gs4 sale pays exactly to tge penny of what an iphone 5 sale does
 
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So this is Apple's argument of sales vs sold.

I guess it's not all the Android phones sitting in the back shelves. Seems like an awful lot of iphones are sitting in stock rooms gathering dust.

Sales vs Sold my ass!

I'm pretty sure they used the sales vs sold argument on the iPad vs other tablets. They use the argument about the most used for the iPhone.
 
See that's the thing. Most people don't do research on what's the best. They go with what all their friends have and what's the most popular or trendy. Maybe it is better that verizon is at least pushing the competition but note that they only do so for monetary reasons they don't care which phone is better.

Oh, I agree. But for me, the blame then lies with the consumer. They're willing to go dish out $200 of their hard earned money and get a phone they have to live with for 2 years, but they can't be bothered to do a little reading on the internet?

And I'm not surprised if Verizon is pushing the competition. If they make more money (in the short term) off those devices, then they reap what they sow. They know they need to sell a certain number of iPhones at a certain pace, so you'd think they'd be smart enough to know they need to push those until they get to a favorable sales pace. But apparently, that's not what they're doing...and that's just stupid business sense.
 
I agree a lot of people just hop on the iphone bandwagon and are ignorant to most of the other competition. But if iPhone profited verizon more, then they'd heavily push the iphone over everyone else even if there are better phones.

And nobody hops on the Samsung bandwagon? Or the HTC One just because tech reviewers got a hard on from the unibody aluminum casing? :rolleyes: I'm sorry but this meme that only Apple has bandwagon jumpers or uninformed consumers who buy their devices because they think they're cool or whatever is BS.
 
Whenever I've bought iPhones in a Verizon store they've done their darnedest to try to talk me into an Android instead.
 
So doesnt Verizon get some kind of `wholesale` price when they commit to a certain number of iPhones? Bad management from Verizon`s side at the end.
 
Maybe not me, but alot of people seemed to swayed by sales people.

Most people that walk into a verizon store to get an iPhone just know that want an iPhone so they can text, take pic, surf internet...standard stuff.

Once the sales persons (who they assume are just being honest and not working on commission) start pushing them to another phone that can do that also, I can see new/average smartphone users being swayed.

Right - but why did they want an "iPhone" then in the first place if what they describe is a smartphone that iOS, Android, Win8 or BB could do?

The problem is that 'iPhone' is a ubiquitous term now much how like BB was. Like how "Rollerblade" is a brand for an inline skate, but people (used to, anyway!) want "Rollerblades" when they just meant a hockey skate with wheels.
 
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