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Wow this phone is actually fairly appealing, assuming that Verizon butts out of Android it could be a very nice device, and shock.

3G coverage pretty much everywhere, good camera (specs), Android hopefully unleashed...

It could very well replace my iPhone..
 
you sound like your 12yrs old, apple really isnt above anyone except for creating brain washing ads

the current version of Mobile IE is based on deepfish, it does more things than safari does, or have you even used another phone other than the iphone? maybe in the last 3 years? opera mobile and opera mini have been out for quite some time now

dont like those 2? try skyfire

3MP is LAUGHABLE at best, in fact i think its a joke to be anyting less than 5

FFS samsung even has a 12MP 3x zoom GLASS LENS camera phone

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...nveils-12mp-phone-with-3x-optical-zoom-639246

what does that 12MP make your 3mp cmos camera iphone look like?

also this isnt the first glass lens samsung phone, they've had a 5MP, 6MP, 8MP and a 10MP. its been out for at least 4-5 years, far longer than the n95 being first announced.

yeah because the look of the phone is most important, same with the color of the car when purchasing a new vehicle. nothing else really matters.

in fact as long as it has an apple logo its fine right?

lol good thing you dont live in japan where people are actually up to date with technology

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/02/why-the-iphone/

You are right because everyone has had a touch phone long before the iPhone. I mean a touch that actually worked and was responsive. Please.

Yeah because I want to carry something that is rather large. Have you seen some of the phones they carry. Sure they can do xyz but do I really want something that big in my pocket. And I am sorry do you live in Japan?

And how is a phone that is only going to be released in south korea going to help us here in the states or anywhere else in the world other then south korea? It the article states it isn't a smart phone. So you do you want a smart phone or do you want a camera?
 
Wow this phone is actually fairly appealing, assuming that Verizon butts out of Android it could be a very nice device, and shock.

3G coverage pretty much everywhere, good camera (specs), Android hopefully unleashed...

It could very well replace my iPhone..

if it syncs my calendars, bookmarks etc.. yea, it could, i mean android, not the presented phone ;)
 
you sound like your 12yrs old, apple really isnt above anyone except for creating brain washing ads

You want to talk brainwashing ads? Why do you think everyone thinks Verizon has the best network? I'll give you a hint: It's not because they have the best network.

the current version of Mobile IE is based on deepfish, it does more things than safari does,

Does more things ≠ better.

or have you even used another phone other than the iphone? maybe in the last 3 years? opera mobile and opera mini have been out for quite some time now

dont like those 2? try skyfire

Listing mobile browsers doesn't prove anything. I've used them all. Safari is the most usable and the best.

3MP is LAUGHABLE at best, in fact i think its a joke to be anyting less than 5

More megapixels ≠ better. Any photographer will tell you that.

FFS samsung even has a 12MP 3x zoom GLASS LENS camera phone

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...nveils-12mp-phone-with-3x-optical-zoom-639246

what does that 12MP make your 3mp cmos camera iphone look like?

It makes my 3 megapixel iPhone look like the best phone on the market. Cramming more megapixels and a cheap shoddy zoom lens into a terribly unusable phone does not constitute calling it better.

also this isnt the first glass lens samsung phone, they've had a 5MP, 6MP, 8MP and a 10MP. its been out for at least 4-5 years, far longer than the n95 being first announced.

More ≠ better.

yeah because the look of the phone is most important, same with the color of the car when purchasing a new vehicle. nothing else really matters.

Phones service several core purposes. Phone calls, messaging, etc. The only thing that matters about a phone is the user experience. So yes, the look of the iPhone IS very important. The color of a car IS very important to anyone who cares about aesthetics.

The best part of all of this is that you performance snobs claim to not care about aesthetics or usability, only FEECHURS FEECHURS AND MOAR FEECHURS but your type are some of the shallowest when it comes to women. If you have any success with women at all, that is.

in fact as long as it has an apple logo its fine right?

lol good thing you dont live in japan where people are actually up to date with technology

Good thing. I don't like using hideous phones with impossible to figure out UIs, thousands of buttons and useless features like TV on my phone.
 
Their angle is to highlight features that the iphone doesn't have but many PDA/smartphones do? I guess Verizon really hates Apple. How about tell us what this phone does that no other phone does.
 
Verizon & iPhone are on opposite ends of the sprectrum

That's probably the most important part of the article.

I'm a long time Verizon cell phone customer & I'm the last pwerson that expects that Verizon will allow the iPhone to run with over 10% of its capabilities. If they had talks before AT&T agreed with Apple on the iPhone &/or Verizon was actually talking with Apple the talks probably came to the same conclusion, Apple wants too much control & Verizon is not willing to give any control.
 
I've spent time with Android. My take? Unrefined and unready. Geeks may swoon over its "open" status and potential for hardware variety, but the vast majority of customers won't care one bit. Put an Android phone next to an iPhone and Joe Q. Consumer is going to pick the iPhone - because it's more user-focused and because it has mindshare.

That's your "take". What's unrefined? What's "unready"? Details, please. My experience has been very different, and seeing as how I get to use one everyday, I'd say that's a little more valid than "spending some time with it".

I don't know that anyone is saying that. And there certainly isn't anything wrong with criticizing an Apple competitor either.

I'd love to see competitors pushing Apple to do better. And as an AAPL shareholder and a user of their products, I'd also love to see those competitors fail with their "iPhone killer" attempts.

Many people in this thread are saying that by way of their ignorant posts, having never used the device in question, and probably not having used Android at all.
 
competition is great, you can't hate the phone just because it's not apple

android will help push apple to work on the iphone more, while it won't kill them in any way it will be a great alternative.

I will not get the iphone unless it comes to verizon, so this phone is going to be sweet I plan on trying to develop for it after all its free :)
 
The phone looks pretty good to me. If they can only have enough good apps to make it really useful I may give it a try. The iPhone is not on Verizon & Apple has way too much control over what can be on the iPhone or iPod Touch so I have not given in to their lead. I don't need games. All I need is something that can run some Excel spreadsheets, a calendar with appointments & a note pad. Using my fingers on the keys will work better for me. I have only been able to get up to a 55 accuracy when I try an iPod Touch.
 
I used to be with Verizon. They were/are so awful about locking out useful basic functionality on their phones (e.g. Bluetooth sync of address books) that I never thought it was likely they were ever a serious contender for offering the iPhone.

More competition is always better, but I'll have to see an actually fully useful Android phone on Verizon before I believe it. So far it seems like Android's shortcomings have nothing to do with the platform; instead they're all about artificial restrictions put in place by the carriers.
 
iDont care...

iDont care how many features you jam in the device...if it's not made by Apple it is still going to suck...sorry.
 
Mobile IE is the biggest joke in mobile. Even when forced to use WM6 I used Opera. You're a rampant MS fanboy if you think otherwise.

the newer mobile IE is much different than the pocket IE bundled with WM. huge improvement, but still not as nice as safari in my opinion

You clearly have no understanding whatsoever in regards to digital cameras and how it applies to phones with cameras. Megapixels are not the only factor in picture quality; nor is the fact that something has a glass lens.

Do you think that POS Samsung is going to take a better picture than a decent Canon P&S because it has a higher res chip? No.

This race of MP in phones is absurd. The chips are not big enough, the lens (glass or not) isn't sharp enough. They're not for quality pictures. Here's one for ya: what's going to take a better picture, an SLR with an APS-sized CMOS chip and 10MP, or a point and shoot with 15mp with a 1/4 the size of a sensor, with shoddier (but still glass!) lens? Can you see the difference? Eh, probably not.

most of us will know that increasing mp isnt going to give a better picture. but believe it or not, theres a lot of phones on the market, and many different cameras, which could easily be better than the iphone's. i played with a samsung omnia 2 the other day (not that i care for the phone), but it had a 5mp, good focusing lens, and extremely strong flash. it could take beautiful photos, even a panoramic mode built in, allowing you to seamless move the phone horizontally and it would automtically shoot new pics and assemble them as one long panoramic shot.
 
iDont care how many features you jam in the device...if it's not made by Apple it is still going to suck...sorry.

posts like these really give the site a good rep, same with fans of apple.

There's a difference between how good a phone is and how successful it is in the market. That's the Apple brand doing a lot of work.
 
3MP is LAUGHABLE at best, in fact i think its a joke to be anyting less than 5

FFS samsung even has a 12MP 3x zoom GLASS LENS camera phone

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...nveils-12mp-phone-with-3x-optical-zoom-639246

what does that 12MP make your 3mp cmos camera iphone look like?

also this isnt the first glass lens samsung phone, they've had a 5MP, 6MP, 8MP and a 10MP. its been out for at least 4-5 years, far longer than the n95 being first announced.

You clearly know very little about digital photography. Higher pixel density in a tiny sensor is not a good thing at all--assuming you care about image quality. All it does is increase noise. And file size.
 
I saw this commercial yestertday and had no idea what it meant until I saw this article. Something tells me the average ignorant consumer won't know better than me.
 
You'll get over it though. ;)



Oh yeah, I forgot; the iPhone was the first smart phone. :rolleyes:

Apple's not driven by competition? Really? Why did they lower the prices on the 13" unibody laptops and introduced a cheaper 15" then? Out of the goodness of their hearts?

1. apple was not the first smart phone (which one was it?), but it was _THE_ smart phone to have... and still is. (visual voice mail... I think that someone sued apple for the idea, but I do not remember any one implementing this idea before... on a 'smart phone', do you? I am sure you'll find an example somewhere...)

2. apple is _indeed_ driven by competition, so much so, that they innovate past the competition, and blow the competition away... That was my original point. Apple is self-driven to be the best, not because of what others do, but to outdo all the others at any time both because they can and want to do it. (There is a thought somewhere in there, I simply lack the _motivation_ to give you or any one a better thought exposition... iDon't care.)

3. my point, apparently missed by you, is that apple is self driven, with or without competition. I do not know how to say that the original iphone was an 'innovation' driven by nothing... other than to do something that no one else could do then or can do today mind you. ...and they are reaping the benefits of it today, rightfully so. Apple can do with their 'innovation' both good products and good business... blah blah blah...

...enough of this. Done with this thread.
 
pr5owner, just because someone has an opinion different than yours doesn't mean that they are the same age as you...

;)
 
1. apple was not the first smart phone (which one was it?), but it was _THE_ smart phone to have... and still is. (visual voice mail... I think that someone sued apple for the idea, but I do not remember any one implementing this idea before... on a 'smart phone', do you? I am sure you'll find an example somewhere...)

Wow, yeah, visual voicemail is the "killer app" and is what separates it from the competition. :rolleyes: Seriously, this is the best you can do? The iPhone is great (I have the iPT and love it) but visual voicemail isn't really it's most compelling feature.

2. apple is _indeed_ driven by competition, so much so, that they innovate past the competition, and blow the competition away... That was my original point. Apple is self-driven to be the best, not because of what others do, but to outdo all the others at any time both because they can and want to do it. (There is a thought somewhere in there, I simply lack the _motivation_ to give you or any one a better thought exposition... iDon't care.)

I don't think you really understand market competition, at all. Of course Apple is driven by competition. If they wanted to be the best at something though, they wouldn't be resting on their laurels with the OS, and putting out seriously buggy software.

3. my point, apparently missed by you, is that apple is self driven, with or without competition. I do not know how to say that the original iphone was an 'innovation' driven by nothing... other than to do something that no one else could do then or can do today mind you. ...and they are reaping the benefits of it today, rightfully so. Apple can do with their 'innovation' both good products and good business... blah blah blah...

...enough of this. Done with this thread.

Why is that when someone disagrees with someone's point, they missed it? No friend, I got your point. I just think it's way off base.

So run away now, and drink some Kool Aid. Steve's got a 32oz Big Gulp of it waiting for ya. ;)

I love my Macs. I love my iPod Touch. But let's be realistic. Android is a legitimate threat.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...android_to_lead_mobile_os_market_in_2012.html

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/57664/report-android-will-leapfrog-the-iphone-by-2012/

And OS X 10.6 needs some serious improvements in fixing bugs and improving security to compete with Windows 7.
 
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