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Verizon iPhone dreamers

I don't see the iPhone going to any other carrier then it's with now, except maybe T-Mobile, but I read somewhere they are in partnership with Sprint, so who knows.

See the problem with the Android based phones, is they change way too fast before they are perfected, not that Apple is perfect, but I mean my wife had the Droid Eris on 1.6 which was crud, then 6 months later it was replaced by the Incredible, then they released 2.1 which really made the phone a paper weight only and one month later discontinued....Not good IMO.

I think the one thing that may come out of this whole fiasco is Apple may eventually start releasing an iPhone maybe twice a year, but I am not sure if they will stick to the once a year upgrade in their future, but 2 releases per year would be nice.

Verizon gets complaints that they pull stuff from the Android based phones and they put a lot of their crud on the phone. I would have purchased an HTC Droid Incredible if were not for the crud Verizon puts on, and the fact the phone is no more customizable then the new iPhone, besides VZ customer service is -1 out of 1-10 for me.

Oh and Google makes Android, so why is Verizon forcing everyone to use BING (Microsoft) as a search Engine, I think Apple did it right, give your user a choice between, Google, BING, and Yahoo, good move on their part.
 
Wicked1 said:
Verizon gets complaints that they pull stuff from the Android based phones and they put a lot of their crud on the phone.

I would have purchased an HTC Droid Incredible if were not for the crud Verizon puts on, and the fact the phone is no more customizable then the new iPhone, besides VZ customer service is -1 out of 1-10 for me.
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If that's the reason you didn't get one, your basis was incorrect.

Verizon doesn't mess with the phones that have Droid in their name, such as the Droid Incredible. It has no "crud" and is fully customizable.

Apparently they consider the Droid line as full-on Google phones.

They did the Bing thing only to other phones that they seem to treat as featurephones that happen to be based on the Android OS. (This seems to be what ATT does as well.)
 
kdarling said:
On the contrary, Verizon Wireless had record revenues and customer gains. Churn was at its lowest level in two years.

Your conclusions are garbled, probably because you forgot that Verizon Communications is made up of two main divisions:

There's Verizon Wireless and there's the old Verizon landline. The posted loss came from the landline side laying off thousands of workers, as customers continute moving over to wireless phones. (The same thing is happening to ATT.)
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You must work for verizon, you don't comment much but when you do it's all about verizon. Just an observation. I have verizon for work and they are terrible here in the states, I end up using my iPhone 4 most everywhere I travel. verizon is having some problems :eek:
 
bks691 said:
You must work for verizon, you don't comment much but when you do it's all about verizon. Just an observation.
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Well, I do live in the NY/NJ area, so I've been a Verizon smartphone customer for years. And, like many mobile device coders, I belong to their developer program. (I also belong to the dev programs of both ATT and Sprint. And Apple. And RIM. And Palm. And others.)

Correcting carrier myths is one of the easiest things to do in this forum, because such stories are often so ridiculously incorrect, a child could point out the mistakes. (Which means when I do so, I'm just being too lazy to answer harder questions :) )

Lately, it's as if some people around here will just post anything without doing the slightest research. Back in the old military / government / college personnel only Internet days, they'd have been shamed off a group, pronto. Just an observation.

PS. Thanks for your interest, but you must only have seen a few posts. I also quite often correct myths about, or comment on, UI patents and design, touchscreen and smartphone history, mobile development, ATT, cellular and broadband design, Android and RIM coding. Also charts and dog & pony shows. Basically, anything that I have lots of experience with.

What's your expertise in?
 
I was walking around a multi-carrier phone vendor and noticed specific unique feature to the iPhone. It does not have a printed label on what carrier it uses. It is on the screen, but the actual phone does not have this.

Do you think Apple would be willing to sacrifice the look when Verizon wanted to plaster their logo on the unit? If not, would Verizon be willing to forgo their logo on a phone, where they have it on EVERY single other one? Is this any indication whether it would or wouldn't have a chance at crossing the carrier border?
 
kdarling said:
Lately, it's as if some people around here will just post anything without doing the slightest research. Back in the old military / government / college personnel only Internet days, they'd have been shamed off a group, pronto. Just an observation.
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I've noticed the same thing. It's as though the person making the post would rather maintain an agenda instead of working with facts.

As far as your other posts, I've enjoyed them ... :)
 
bks691 said:
You must work for verizon, you don't comment much but when you do it's all about verizon. Just an observation. I have verizon for work and they are terrible here in the states, I end up using my iPhone 4 most everywhere I travel. verizon is having some problems :eek:
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Thats pretty much everyones observation:D
But besides the Verizon praises he does know his stuff pretty well.
 
The thing that gets me in all of this Android/iPhone wars is why Android is catching up to the iPhone. People equate sales of Android as an increase in popularity and a all of sudden "Android is better" cry from the Google crowd. The thing is, the iPhone has made smartphones more popular. More people every day are upgrading their dumb phone, their razr's, or talk text phones for smart phones. The average Joe is walking into Verizon looking for "something like the iPhone" and are always directed to an Android phone. In other words, the average Joe doesn't even know what he or she is buying. They don't know Android from a hole in the ground, to them they are simply "Droids". I would venture to say that 90 percent of these same people on Verizon or Sprint for that matter would choose an iPhone if it were available. These same average Joe's on AT&T are the folks that AT&T reps talk about when questioned about whether or not they are worried of losing customers if the iPhone goes to other carriers and why they say "no'. People don't want change. Verizon prays on this by telling the average Joe (90 percent of their customers) that the "DROID" is like the iPhone. That's all they need to hear for them to buy it. These people are not tech savvy. So the fact that Android sales are exceeding iPhone right now is not a surprise, but at the same time should not be considered cannon for Google fans either. Its' misleading. It's like saying that Ford is selling more cars than Mercedes. There are a lots of Ford cars, in all shapes and sizes, whereas there is only one Mercedes. Get it?
 
Seems Jobs' biggest error then, is that he entered into an exclusive agreement with AT&T.

On the plus side, there is doubt the smartphone market would be where it is today were it not for the iPhone. There would be no concept of apps on a phone, muchless the compass, gyroscopes, or anything else that makes these phones "game-changers."

Smartphones might have eventually come along to be these irreplaceable personal assistants and game-center devices with TV and movies and everything else incorporated, but these concepts were greatly advanced due to Steve Jobs' vision.

Droids may be leveling the playing field, but keep in mind, Jobs invented the game.
 
Eldiablojoe said:
Seems Jobs' biggest error then, is that he entered into an exclusive agreement with AT&T.
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Yes. ATT had known about the iPhone idea since early 2005, Verizon since mid 2005.

ATT didn't sign until mid 2006.

The long ATT exclusive indicates that Apple was getting a little worried about signing with a major carrier, and thus was willing to bend a lot. Apple should've had more confidence in their end product. However, the iPhone was only half done at the time.

On the plus side, there is doubt the smartphone market would be where it is today were it not for the iPhone. There would be no concept of apps on a phone, much less the compass, gyroscopes, or anything else that makes these phones "game-changers."
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  • There have been third party apps and app stores since at least 2000.
  • Nokia had the first compass equipped (+GPS) phone in 2008, a year before the 3GS.
  • Gyros have been on makers' lists since Wii added one in 2008.
  • Don't forget 3G, GPS, WiFi and touchscreens, years before Apple.
Smartphones might have eventually come along to be these irreplaceable personal assistants and game-center devices with TV and movies and everything else incorporated, but these concepts were greatly advanced due to Steve Jobs' vision.
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I agree that many concepts were advanced timewise. Not technology-wise. Other companies have long had future visions. (I was privy to several amazing NDA smartphone demos back in 2001 that would still stand well today. Unfortunately, the cost was way too high to implement back then.)

For instance, the move to finger-friendly touch was already underway at the time the iPhone was created. Apple knew this and knew they had to jump in quickly.

As far as assistants, Jobs' tight control methods hold back the iPhone in that respect. Other phones have better inter-app integration. Other phones are starting to include DLNA support, which will allow you to do cools things like throw your phone pictures onto any display device in your house.

Apple gets the most credit for making smartphones popular in a way that only they can, and for changing the market in ways both good and bad.
 
cecoleman said:
Its' misleading. It's like saying that Ford is selling more cars than Mercedes. There are a lots of Ford cars, in all shapes and sizes, whereas there is only one Mercedes. Get it?
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Huh? Mercedes come in all shapes and sizes. Also, Mercedes is considered a premium luxury car which costs thousands... in some cases tens of thousands more then most Ford vehicles. The iPhone and premium Android phones like the Droid X, Droid 2, Droid Incredible, and EVO 4G cost about the same and are geared toward the same market. If the iPhone was hundreds more and had diamonds and real gold trim on it you might have a point, but as it stands these phones are all geared towards the same consumer market.
 
kdarling said:
Lately, it's as if some people around here will just post anything without doing the slightest research. Back in the old military / government / college personnel only Internet days, they'd have been shamed off a group, pronto. Just an observation.
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What do you mean by "lately"? I've been visiting this site for years and it's always been the Maury of the Mac world. This site is to Apple computing as 70s porn was to script writing. :apple:
 
There was a blurb on Fox News this morning that a new iPhone would be coming out for use on the Verizon network in April, 2011. See http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-appleverizon1006,0,3795684.story

FWIW, I switched to Verizon from BellSouth (later to merge with AT&T) a few years ago, but switched back after a couple of weeks. Verizon just didn't cut it for me here in central Florida then, but maybe it's gotten better since then.
 
kdarling said:
If that's the reason you didn't get one, your basis was incorrect.

Verizon doesn't mess with the phones that have Droid in their name, such as the Droid Incredible. It has no "crud" and is fully customizable.

Apparently they consider the Droid line as full-on Google phones.

They did the Bing thing only to other phones that they seem to treat as featurephones that happen to be based on the Android OS. (This seems to be what ATT does as well.)
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No I held one in my hand, there are apps on there I do not want, VZ Navigator, and Verizon Splash screen etc. I asked if I purchased an Incredible at full retail if they could remove all of that junk and they would not.

I had VZ for 9 years of lackluster service and phone selections, and the fact is even though Android is gaining market share, they are comparing one phone to multiple so it really is not a correct comparison.

If you compare say the Droid Incredible to the iP4 well Apple would be far ahead, but everyone insists on comparing multiple Android based phones to one phone from Apple, not good enough to me personally.
 
I only read about this on the paper a while back, so take it for what its worth...

I though the reason Apple chose ATT over Verizon in the first place was ATT's willingness to bend just about every rule to accommodate Apple. Where on the other hand Verizon wanted to have 100% control over the phone's content, billing, activation, etc. I guess to have Apple make them a CDMA version, Verizon must have caved in a lot from their prior demands.
 
Interesting report on Appleinsider about this today.

"Verizon, in those earlier discussions, balked at Apple's requirement that Verizon not allow its retail partners to sell the phone, people familiar with the discussion said at the time," the report said. "Verizon also declined to give up its ability to sell content like music and videos through its proprietary service, these people said."

From http://www.appleinsider.com/article...er_iphone_retail_options_digital_content.html
 
I know both companies (Apple & Verizon) love all of this free press every other month, but this story is being reported as a little more than just rumor. I think if neither company denies this in the next week, that will lend some weight to this story.
 
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