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Verizon iPhone Listings Go Live on Apple's Site
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Wait. There were people who thought Verizon would be any cheaper? I'm a Verizon customer and could have saved you all the trouble. The advantage of having Verizon is if their service works better for you in your particular area. Same can be said for AT&T.
Cost-wise it's never going to be much of a difference.
Cost-wise it's never going to be much of a difference.
It all evens out in the end since we make twice more money than you Brits.
Yet you all live about 10 miles away from the U.S. Border. How about you move up North... way up North.
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Part of the reason in the US that they don't really compete is all the different mobile transmission technology (GSM/CDMA), even AT&T and T-Mobile although GSM do not use the same 3G frequencies. Once you have a phone on one you cannot really move around without getting another phone.
In the UK I believe 6 networks offer the iPhone, all compatible with one another, so they know you can easily move around hence all the SIM only deals.
I take one if:
- I got residuals
- If I got better cell/data service (which I know I wouldn't given how wireless works).
A VZ rep told me in an online chat help session that the $15/mo limited plan goes away on the 30th of Jan.
Got an iPad for Christmas; I keep trying to use some of the swipes from my Pre on my iPad and, every time I do, think: "Apple go this element of the UI wrong; WebOS does it better."
Still, I've been waiting for the iPhone on Verizon. VZNavigator is only useful if I already know where I'm headed, and there is the issue of voice dialing (i.e., not having it). Now... I can't wait to see what HP offers up on February 8. My Pre is integrated into my family's plan with tethering included in the data plan.
And Synergy is sweet.
I'm a strong advocate of free markets but I have been unable to find an ideologically- compatible explanation for America's (and Canada's?) infrastructure failure regarding cell technology.
Not only do plans outside of North American seem cheaper, but when you compare our technology to, for example, Korea's -- it's just embarrassing.
All of this with presumably more strict regulatory regimes outside of North America.
Still, I've been waiting for the iPhone on Verizon. VZNavigator is only useful if I already know where I'm headed, and there is the issue of voice dialing (i.e., not having it). Now... I can't wait to see what HP offers up on February 8. My Pre is integrated into my family's plan with tethering included in the data plan.
And Synergy is sweet.
I'm a strong advocate of free markets but I have been unable to find an ideologically- compatible explanation for America's (and Canada's?) infrastructure failure regarding cell technology.
Not only do plans outside of North American seem cheaper, but when you compare our technology to, for example, Korea's -- it's just embarrassing.
All of this with presumably more strict regulatory regimes outside of North America.
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http://www.bell.ca/shopping/PrsShpWls_Coverage.page
alberta has almost full coverage with a population of 4 million.
Alberta is bigger then California with 1/10 the population.
I have no hard facts, but I would find it hard to believe it costs more to operate a cell network in then USA then in Canada.
So if my math is right unlimited calling plus unlimited data plus unlimited texting is $120 per month! I currently am using T-Mobile with a 1st Gen iPhone and have all three unlimited services and pay $60 a month. True I don't have 3G and their are some hurdles with unlocking at first but for half as much I'm sticking where I am. I would love to switch to Verizon if they would half their prices. Wouldn't they still make a huge profit?
Seriously the prices in the US for calls and data are crazy.
IP4 with 5,000 minutes any network and additional 5,000 minutes for calls on same network plus 5,000 texts, unlimited data and unlimited tethering for £35 (~$55) p/m. Handset was £169 but sold in my old 3G for £180.
But that's what you get when you have proper free market competition across many service providers. Verizon and AT&T have the US nicely sewn up between the two of them by the looks of it.
IP4 with 5,000 minutes any network and additional 5,000 minutes for calls on same network plus 5,000 texts, unlimited data and unlimited tethering for £35 (~$55) p/m. Handset was £169 but sold in my old 3G for £180.
But that's what you get when you have proper free market competition across many service providers. Verizon and AT&T have the US nicely sewn up between the two of them by the looks of it.
I apologize if this has already been asked, I'm in a rush and have only skimmed the posts here.
But how does it affect those of us who are on a family plan already with unlimited text messages? Does that carry over into the iPhone plan? Or do we have to purchase a whole new message plan for each iPhone line?
But how does it affect those of us who are on a family plan already with unlimited text messages? Does that carry over into the iPhone plan? Or do we have to purchase a whole new message plan for each iPhone line?
Yeah but you get that whole five friends unlimited thing.
And- you can actually make and receive calls.
What? I thought they just started that? What about the people who don't use unlimited data let alone can't afford it!
The Family and Friends numbers is the only attractive item with Verizon.
The Make and Receive calls is moot. It is all about where you live. Also, don't confuse Reception with Bandwidth.
In areas of equal strength in terms of Reception and Bandwidth, a GSM iPhone 4 with a case will blow the doors off CDMA on 3G downloads.
Once the GSM iPhone 4s receives the new antenna the only reason to own a Verizon iPhone is if you live and work in an area of weak at&t coverage.
The iPhone is built for speed. CDMA in Verizon's Application is not.
I can't wait for the 1st CDMA phone to be gutted. There are lots more changes in there than a "Tuned Antenna". LOL.
On other other hand, there is more to speed than throughput. Latency plays a significant role, and you'll see plenty more of that on AT&T than you will on Verizon. I noticed it right away when I switched from the iPhone 4 last summer to the Droid X on Verizon. I was able to use them both side by side for a couple of weeks. Despite getting significantly slower data throughput on the Speedtest.net app, websites and net-enabled apps actually seemed more responsive on the Droid. At first, I wrote this off as perhaps just a difference between the iPhone and Droid X. But then I rooted my Droid X and tethered my iPhone to it. Low and behold, the iPhone actually seemed snappier when clicking on links in web pages and when using net-enabled apps! Now of course the higher throughput did come into play when trying to stream high quality video. But for lower bandwidth applications, the Verizon network is actually faster.
To be specific, I consistently get a ping time of 100-200ms on Verizon. On AT&T, it's at least 400-500ms and sometimes as high as 2000-4000. And the Verizon phone seemed to stay at 100-200ms even when in lower signal areas, whereas the AT&T phones went to 2000-4000 in lower signal strength areas. I have personal experience that shows that this is a significant difference and something to consider alongside raw throughput numbers you get from the speedtest apps!
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Prices are beyond reason. Time to kick the habit- this is a freaking phone. Live life, spend money on things that matter; checking the web and silly status' can wait till you get home, or to work.
Kick the habit, the withdrawal may be rough, but you can survive!
Prices are beyond reason. Time to kick the habit- this is a freaking phone. Live life, spend money on things that matter; checking the web and silly status' can wait till you get home, or to work.
Kick the habit, the withdrawal may be rough, but you can survive!
No, in the U.S. you pay a $200 or $300 down payment and then $20 a month payments forever -- you never see them because they aren't broken out.*
See, the problem with the stupid whiny European comments on this board is you all seem to miss one important item.
WE PAY THAT, ANYWAY. I am paying that right now, for a RAZR and a Nokia 5310. So do us all a favor and either learn something or SHUT UP.
A lot of debate and whining for what? In the end you'll still pay your x number of bucks a months to AT&T, Verizon, whoever... Because you just can't get away from your phone. No one forces to buy anything but you all (me included, except that I don't complain) end up doing it.
If only people remembered the state of the cell phone technology 15 years ago...
Stop whining or stop buying.
If only people remembered the state of the cell phone technology 15 years ago...
Stop whining or stop buying.
Can I just mention that I don't think anyone from the UK is laughing at the American cellphone costs; we do live in 'Rip-Off Britain', after all. I think it's just genuine astonishment! Cost of living, tax, salaries, etc., probably balances everything out between the UK and the US ultimately anyway, but still, looking at those prices you chaps have to pay would make most Brits gulp in awe I think.
Oh, and I think texting is a cultural thing. We LOVE our text messages over here. Yeah, I have an iPhone. Virtually never use e-mail any more, but I still text like a mofo - call me old-school.
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There's a lot of Americans getting really defensive over this - all we're saying is we're astonished how much you have to pay for your iPhones, that's all - we're not criticising your country. Chill
In the US do you also still have to pay for incoming calls?
US plans suck!!!
Not only we pay an arm and a leg for cell voice and data plans here is the US. We also have all kind of stupid taxes and fees added to our bills each month...like Extra $10.
My fave is AT&T charge people to Voice Dialing with their phone? At least at some point they did!!!
Not only we pay an arm and a leg for cell voice and data plans here is the US. We also have all kind of stupid taxes and fees added to our bills each month...like Extra $10.
My fave is AT&T charge people to Voice Dialing with their phone? At least at some point they did!!!