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Cause it's a weaker 3G signal. What about maps? If you don't have a good signal you can't access maps.

Can we please stop spreading misinformation? The OP already responded to one of your earlier replies where you said essentially the same thing, and he informed you that he was using an app that pre-loads ALL the maps on the phone (Navigon).

Yes, if you use the built-in Google Maps app, then you need data to download the maps. But if you're using TomTom or Navigon or Magellan or what-have-you, you absolutely do not need a data connection of any kind. That's why those apps are GIGABYTES in size.

The GPS receiver itself on the phone does not use or require data.

Also, just to be up-front about it, I'm an AT&T customer, not a Verizon customer, so I have no dog in this fight as far as defending Verizon goes. However, you have conflated "slower" with "weaker signal." The Verizon 3G data is slower. That is absolutely not the same thing as being "weaker." Just because someone is on Verizon doesn't mean that they "don't have a good [3G] signal."

-- Nathan
 
Yes, seems I confused UTMS with WCDMA. Noted. Logged.

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Actually, you were more correct than you think. UMTS is WCDMA...two names for the same thing. You didn't confuse a thing. (Although, to be accurate, WCDMA really only refers to the air interface while UMTS encompasses WCDMA and a lot more. Think of UMTS as the next-generation version of GSM.)

The reason that people get confused on this subject regularly is because "CDMA" is used both as the name of a technology as well as the name of a specific implementation of that technology...one name for two different things.

If we wanted to be completely accurate, Verizon doesn't run a "CDMA" network. (Well, they do, but technically so does every single 3G GSM provider out there, too -- including AT&T -- which I'll get to in a minute.) Verizon runs a CDMA2000+EV-DO network. CDMA2000 is the name of a suite of protocols and standards, drafted by Qualcomm, that use CDMA radio encoding. (Incidentally, Qualcomm also "invented" the CDMA radio encoding technology that CDMA2000 is based on.)

"GSM" is analogous to "CDMA2000" -- it, too, is a suite of protocols and standards collected under one umbrella. Originally, GSM networks employed a radio data encoding method called TDMA, which gave each handset a timeslice within which they could transmit. CDMA, on the other hand, through sophisticated engineering, allows all handsets to occupy the same channel at the same time. Thus, CDMA2000's predecessor, called IS-95, was more scalable than the old-school TDMA version of GSM.

The GSM standards body/committee/whatever eventually realized that TDMA technology was running out of steam, and that they needed to base the next version of GSM, called UMTS but also commonly referred to as "3G GSM", on this new and superior CDMA technology. So they did. That's what UMTS is: a next-generation, higher-speed, CDMA version of GSM. Because UMTS uses a wider channel size than CDMA2000 does (5MHz vs. 1.25MHz), it is also called WCDMA, or Wideband CDMA.

All GSM providers that have deployed a 3G network, like AT&T, are running UMTS/WCDMA networks. Verizon and Sprint run CDMA2000 networks. Even though both networks utilize CDMA technology, they are still fundamentally incompatible, both at layer 1 (on account of the channel size difference), as well as layer 2 and beyond (data framing is completely different between the two, network authentication and provisioning are totally different, etc.). So two different versions of each phone still need to be manufactured to run on the two different kinds of networks (although universal "world" chipsets with support for CDMA2000, EV-DO, UMTS, and HSPA exist now, so in theory...).

Qualcomm still owns the patents to the root CDMA technology that they invented, though, so...yeah: 3G GSM equipment manufacturers have to pay royalties to Qualcomm. Qualcomm gets a cut of all 3G action out there, whether based on the CDMA2000 standard that they had a direct hand in developing, or whether based on the competing UMTS standard that employs WCDMA. All of it is CDMA at it's core. You can bet they're making bank.

(You really should read Steven C. Den Beste's memoirs about the development of CDMA over at http://www.denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2002/10/GSM3G.shtml if you're at all into the history of these kinds of things. Very interesting reading.)

The reason why AT&T's network has "faster data" than Verizon is also a more complex subject than people are making it out to be. First, ironically, the GSM version of 3G -- UMTS -- started out life with a much lower specificed theoretical maximum downlink data rate than the CDMA2K version of 3G (EV-DO): UMTS could only achieve downloads of 384kbit/s, while EV-DO could hit over 2Mbit/s. Eventually, the UMTS spec was extended with the addition of HSPA, which offered not only new modulation techniques that could accomplish up to 14Mbit/s on the downlink, but also offered, compared to EV-DO, much tighter and more efficient scheduling of a shared resource (the downlink channel) amongst all the handsets that are trying to use it at one time, which equals greater potential throughput for everybody, especially on a cell tower that is loaded down with subscribers. EV-DO Revision A got the 3G CDMA2K downlink up to 3Mbit/s, but that obviously can't match the 14Mbit/s that HSPA offers. There is an EV-DO Rev. B out there that, through channel bonding, can achieve downlink speeds similar to HSPA, but A) it seems like the Qualcomm and the 3GPP2 are still playing catch-up with the GSM guys, given that they're about to roll out HSPA+ with a 42Mbit/s theoretical maximum downlink, and B) Verizon has never rolled out EV-DO Rev. B. So, technically, Verizon has an inferior last-mile network (HSPA compared to EV-DO Rev. A is no contest), AND the development of further advancements to EV-DO has fallen behind that of UMTS.

This doesn't even address what the different companies are doing for backhaul to their cellular towers. You could have the fanciest broadcast equipment at your cellular tower, but if you have a teeny-tiny internet connection feeding that tower, you're still going to see slow speeds. And since neither AT&T nor Verizon are about to divulge that kind of information, we'll probably never know who has the superior network core, except perhaps through guesswork based on raw experience.

*whew*,

-- Nathan
 
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Nice informative post. Thanks!

It seems like AT&T has the better network for data.

We all know AT&T has issues.

Why does AT&T have issues? Is it related to the nature of their network or is it related to neglet? They are expanding and improving their network projected to be complete by March 31st 2011.

What carrier is best prepared for future mobile Internet such as LTE?
 
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What carrier is best prepared for future mobile Internet such as LTE?

In the future Verizon. They have a more aggressive rollout on that end and they even have plans to go completely LTE with VoLTE in the future which will easily allow Voice/Data in a simultaneous tranfer. Their current rollout plans will have 2/3 of their network (or more) with LTE in the next 2yrs.

ATT definitely has the edge w/ data now, and 2yrs is a long time, but Verizon has the more aggressive long term plan as far as the network and 4G (well, what is being taken as 4G right now) rollout.
 
In the future Verizon. They have a more aggressive rollout on that end and they even have plans to go completely LTE with VoLTE in the future which will easily allow Voice/Data in a simultaneous tranfer. Their current rollout plans will have 2/3 of their network (or more) with LTE in the next 2yrs.

ATT definitely has the edge w/ data now, and 2yrs is a long time, but Verizon has the more aggressive long term plan as far as the network and 4G (well, what is being taken as 4G right now) rollout.

AT&T has more public known issues with their network.

What's the cause of these issues?

Is it that AT&T neglected to improve and expand?

Or is it because of more data hungry users and weren't prepared?
 
The GPS in my phone is definitely funky. Navigon locked into a signal quickly, but it loses the signal a lot more frequently than my AT&T iPhone did.

Also, the TomTom application is constantly displaying a message to "Connect to GPS" while it is running.
 
In the future Verizon. They have a more aggressive rollout on that end and they even have plans to go completely LTE with VoLTE in the future which will easily allow Voice/Data in a simultaneous tranfer. Their current rollout plans will have 2/3 of their network (or more) with LTE in the next 2yrs.

ATT definitely has the edge w/ data now, and 2yrs is a long time, but Verizon has the more aggressive long term plan as far as the network and 4G (well, what is being taken as 4G right now) rollout.


Verizon also bought the best LTE frequencies. So, as long as they build the network right, they will it's Verizon, there is no way AT&T can catch them. Guess AT&T should start looking toward it's 5th generation.
 
I am going to try Navigon again on my way to work. One thing I noticed is that I got an instant lock late last night when I launched Navigon (and Google maps) when I was inside my house, 8 feet from a window. An earlier poster mentioned there was an issue on Verizon with Assisted GPS. Not sure how that would relate in my case, but will give it a shot today and see if it improves. AGPS issues would certainly explain the long time it took to lock GPS position, but I don't think it would explain the loss in signal. Seems some have issues, some don't. Was there a case on your phone at the time?

The GPS in my phone is definitely funky. Navigon locked into a signal quickly, but it loses the signal a lot more frequently than my AT&T iPhone did.

Also, the TomTom application is constantly displaying a message to "Connect to GPS" while it is running.
 
Verizon also bought the best LTE frequencies. So, as long as they build the network right, they will it's Verizon, there is no way AT&T can catch them. Guess AT&T should start looking toward it's 5th generation.

Well if AT&T beefs up to hspa + it's said it could be faster than Verizon 4g. I think this would be best move for AT&T because it's not much work.
 
The best I ever owned was the 3GS.

Now I have both a GSM iP4, and a CDMA iP4.

My verdict is a tie. Both have issues, neither is far superior to the other.

What I'm happy about is Verizon reveals Apple has work to do on the iPhone. That's the good news with Android hot on their heels.

Its time for Apple to focus and create a great Iphone 5.

well said, and I have both as well and agree with the above.
 
For whatever it's worth--

I'm in NYC. I've been on AT&T since the iPhone 3G launch. AT&T has always been a world of pain for me. I'd drop calls around six times every time I'd drive up or down the West Side Highway. Things seemed to improve some around the launch of the iPhone4 and then got much much worse over the past few months.

Since switching to Verizon--I have had no dropped no calls. Zero. I used to average around 8 dropped calls a day. I have service where I never have before...and my wife can now end calls at her office voluntarily. Something she could never do before.

I'm having no GPS issues at all. Instant lock.

Averaging around 1.8 Mbps down and .80 Mbs up. I'm sure I'll miss my AT&T data speeds. But honestly--in NY and San Fran--I couldn't get any data connection 50% of the time.

All my friends and colleagues are having the same experience as me. Maybe there's something wrong with your GPS?

Oh--and for whatever it's worth--Visual Voicemail setup was flawless and took 4 seconds to get up and running. Really sorry to hear about peoples' trouble, though.
 
The GPS receiver itself on the phone does not use or require data.

It's assisted GPS which works in conjunction with the cellular towers. How do you think the information is getting to said towers? Magic?

Per Wikipedia: "A-GPS additionally uses network resources to locate and utilize the satellites faster as well as better in poor signal conditions."
 
It's assisted GPS which works in conjunction with the cellular towers. How do you think the information is getting to said towers? Magic?

Per Wikipedia: "A-GPS additionally uses network resources to locate and utilize the satellites faster as well as better in poor signal conditions."

Dedicated navigation apps that load their own map when you install the app do NOT need to use cellular or WiFi data. Just the GPS.

Yes, the iPhone has assisted GPS. But the GPS can be used by apps without the need for using the "assisted" part.

Mark
 
The question is... Is this possibly controlled and temporary by Verizon cause they don't want to get caught with their pants down with network congestion? Is it possible that they learned a lesson what happened to AT&T? If this is the case maybe eventually once Verizon knows the numbers of data hungry iPhone users they may 'turn it up'. Verizon IMO must be sort if scared and apprehensive because of what happened to AT&T in certain areas?


Verizon 3G sucked on the Droid X I tried out for a month in 5 different state capitals. Verizon's 3G network is way behind AT&T. Voice was good but data sucked big time.
 
The Ugly
- GPS - it is much slower to acquire a lock than my AT&T iphone. Once it gets a lock it loses it easily. For example, on my way home tonight I launched Navigon, set the iphone on the dash as far forward as it could go, selected 'take me home' and had a clear view to the sky. While driving it warned me on 3 different occasions that it was losing its' lock and was accurate to 90 meters. A four mile drive and losing the location lock 3 times. When I came to a stop light the location would jump around, not knowing which direction I was heading. This never happened on my AT&T ip4. I also tested the GPS with Runkeeper. I used this program frequently with my AT&T ip4, without issue. On the Verizon iphone it was 1/3 of a mile off, with a GPS lock.

I am torn as to keeping this phone. The data issues could be resolved, but the GPS issues could mean my phone is defective. I know this GPS is now on an integrated chip and it's performance may not be as good as the dedicated GPS chip.

Yeah, the GPS thing would truly piss me off. It's one of the things that I love about the iphone 4 that it improved over the old iphone (the old iphone had a crappy GPS, the iphone 4's is pretty good, at least mine which is an AT&T one). Makes me glad I have no issues with AT&T.

But, are you sure you just didn't get a defective phone? Maybe your phone's GPS is defective and maybe if you exchange it that might improve. It seems odd that the GPS would be different (why would they need to change the GPS chip?). Unless Verizon's network for some reason isn't as good at assisting it (I know it's assisted GPS and honestly, I haven't tested my iphone yet where there is no coverage so no idea how good the GPS on it is on its own).
 
Verizon 3G sucked on the Droid X I tried out for a month in 5 different state capitals. Verizon's 3G network is way behind AT&T. Voice was good but data sucked big time.

I am test driving the X cause I want to see how Verizon's network is. I have 11 more days to return it.

If the X is any indication on how Verizon's network is it's not that Verizon's 3G data sucks. I have to say it's more consistent than AT&T network. However in regards to speed in areas AT&T network flies compared to Verizon. I work at a university. What I experience during peak times with both networks for the most part is equally slow speeds. In spots where AT&T flies over Verizon in non peak times seems like both networks are equal in peak times.

What I notice is latency. Verizon network is usually 2-3 times less latent. I'm not sure how this plays in mobile broadband though. But at times although AT&T is more latent it will still load a webpage faster and a you tube video faster. Sometimes being more latent doesn't load faster.

In the areas I frequent(Philly and south Jersey it's a tough call who has the better network in voice and data. I would say voice is equally consistent with both.

However data isn't. But Verizon is more consistent although not as fast.
 
Verizon GPS Data Issues

My company has deployed about 2000 iPhones to our employees through AT&T. Verizon has given us an iPhone to test our internal company apps on. We have seen the GPS issues in our app testing.

I also have the iSpeed Speedometer app in the AppStore and have seen the issues testing my app on the Verizon iPhone.

Here is some GPS debug data from the Verizon iPhone.

Starts with normal looking GPS updates...

2011-02-10 14:49:41.617 <+35.05007115, -80.95514512> +/- 5.00m (speed 14.99 mps / course 274.92)
2011-02-10 14:49:42.622 <+35.05009860, -80.95528677> +/- 5.00m (speed 13.86 mps / course 277.38)
2011-02-10 14:49:43.622 <+35.05011834, -80.95542138> +/- 5.00m (speed 13.46 mps / course 277.38)
2011-02-10 14:49:44.622 <+35.05013356, -80.95555156> +/- 5.00m (speed 12.67 mps / course 277.38)


Notice here the updates start repeating...

2011-02-10 14:49:45.621 <+35.05014558, -80.95566303> +/- 5.00m (speed 11.10 mps / course 277.03)
2011-02-10 14:49:46.622 <+35.05014558, -80.95566303> +/- 5.00m (speed 11.10 mps / course 277.03)
2011-02-10 14:49:47.621 <+35.05017370, -80.95582682> +/- 5.00m (speed 6.04 mps / course 278.44)
2011-02-10 14:49:48.622 <+35.05017370, -80.95582682> +/- 5.00m (speed 6.04 mps / course 278.44)
2011-02-10 14:49:49.622 <+35.05017370, -80.95582682> +/- 5.00m (speed 6.04 mps / course 278.44)
2011-02-10 14:49:50.617 <+35.05019043, -80.95593494> +/- 5.00m (speed 1.67 mps / course 278.79)
2011-02-10 14:49:51.622 <+35.05019043, -80.95593494> +/- 5.00m (speed 1.67 mps / course 278.79)
2011-02-10 14:49:52.622 <+35.05019043, -80.95593494> +/- 5.00m (speed 1.67 mps / course 278.79)
2011-02-10 14:49:53.617 <+35.05019495, -80.95596470> +/- 5.00m (speed 1.06 mps / course 281.25)
2011-02-10 14:49:54.622 <+35.05019495, -80.95596470> +/- 5.00m (speed 1.06 mps / course 281.25)
2011-02-10 14:49:55.622 <+35.05019495, -80.95596470> +/- 5.00m (speed 1.06 mps / course 281.25)


The updates below hang for 16 seconds, looks like it resets, and starts again…

2011-02-10 14:50:02.622 <+35.05025618, -80.95621658> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.51 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:03.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:04.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:05.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:06.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:07.621 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:08.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:09.621 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:11.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:12.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:13.621 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:14.621 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:15.621 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:16.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:17.621 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:18.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:19.621 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)

2011-02-10 14:50:20.622 <+35.05015895, -80.95663416> +/- 100.00m (speed -1.00 mps / course -1.00)
2011-02-10 14:50:21.621 <+35.05028162, -80.95690766> +/- 50.00m (speed 2.50 mps / course 270.35)
2011-02-10 14:50:22.621 <+35.05051548, -80.95699064> +/- 50.00m (speed 2.99 mps / course 324.14)
2011-02-10 14:50:23.621 <+35.05057172, -80.95702216> +/- 30.00m (speed 3.12 mps / course 324.84)


I hope Apple has a software fix in the near future...
 
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I bought the Navigon app a couple days ago and every time I try to use it I lose GPS signal constantly, hopefully they fix it in the 4.3 update
 
This post may have something to do with the GPS issue.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1094426/


"Most notably, with Apple's adoption of the MDM6600 "world-mode" baseband chip from Qualcomm offering integrated GPS circuitry, the company has been able to eliminate a Broadcom GPS chip that is present in the GSM version of the iPhone 4."
 
I was going to post that same thing.

Hopefully it's not a problem with the hardware and it can be sorted out with a FW update.

I hope like hell Apple doesn't start using that same set up for the future generations of the iphone. I use my i4 gps for work all day everyday it works perfectly fine the way it is.
 
Tigress666, I was thinking I likely had a bad phone. That was until I saw the post from jschacker. The repeating updates that he shows appear to mimic what I am seeing with my Verizon IP4. I get a GPS lock, then I lose it. I start a route, drive a half mile, then I lose signal. It usually says accuracy is 90 meters. It even loses it's signal while I am sitting still in the parking lot.

I get similar behavior when using Google maps, so it isn't just Navigon having the issue.

jschacker, you mention a software fix, so are you saying this isn't a hardware issue? I have 12 days to decide keep or get rid of this phone. If it is a software issue, I will put up with this and wait for a fix.

Kamilli0n sounds like you are in the same situation.


Yeah, the GPS thing would truly piss me off. It's one of the things that I love about the iphone 4 that it improved over the old iphone (the old iphone had a crappy GPS, the iphone 4's is pretty good, at least mine which is an AT&T one). Makes me glad I have no issues with AT&T.

But, are you sure you just didn't get a defective phone? Maybe your phone's GPS is defective and maybe if you exchange it that might improve. It seems odd that the GPS would be different (why would they need to change the GPS chip?). Unless Verizon's network for some reason isn't as good at assisting it (I know it's assisted GPS and honestly, I haven't tested my iphone yet where there is no coverage so no idea how good the GPS on it is on its own).

My company has deployed about 2000 iPhones to our employees through AT&T. Verizon has given us an iPhone to test our internal company apps on. We have seen the GPS issues in our app testing.

I also have the iSpeed Speedometer app in the AppStore and have seen the issues testing my app on the Verizon iPhone.

Here is some GPS debug data from the Verizon iPhone.

Starts with normal looking GPS updates...

2011-02-10 14:49:41.617 <+35.05007115, -80.95514512> +/- 5.00m (speed 14.99 mps / course 274.92)
2011-02-10 14:49:42.622 <+35.05009860, -80.95528677> +/- 5.00m (speed 13.86 mps / course 277.38)
2011-02-10 14:49:43.622 <+35.05011834, -80.95542138> +/- 5.00m (speed 13.46 mps / course 277.38)
2011-02-10 14:49:44.622 <+35.05013356, -80.95555156> +/- 5.00m (speed 12.67 mps / course 277.38)


Notice here the updates start repeating...

2011-02-10 14:49:45.621 <+35.05014558, -80.95566303> +/- 5.00m (speed 11.10 mps / course 277.03)
2011-02-10 14:49:46.622 <+35.05014558, -80.95566303> +/- 5.00m (speed 11.10 mps / course 277.03)
2011-02-10 14:49:47.621 <+35.05017370, -80.95582682> +/- 5.00m (speed 6.04 mps / course 278.44)
2011-02-10 14:49:48.622 <+35.05017370, -80.95582682> +/- 5.00m (speed 6.04 mps / course 278.44)
2011-02-10 14:49:49.622 <+35.05017370, -80.95582682> +/- 5.00m (speed 6.04 mps / course 278.44)
2011-02-10 14:49:50.617 <+35.05019043, -80.95593494> +/- 5.00m (speed 1.67 mps / course 278.79)
2011-02-10 14:49:51.622 <+35.05019043, -80.95593494> +/- 5.00m (speed 1.67 mps / course 278.79)
2011-02-10 14:49:52.622 <+35.05019043, -80.95593494> +/- 5.00m (speed 1.67 mps / course 278.79)
2011-02-10 14:49:53.617 <+35.05019495, -80.95596470> +/- 5.00m (speed 1.06 mps / course 281.25)
2011-02-10 14:49:54.622 <+35.05019495, -80.95596470> +/- 5.00m (speed 1.06 mps / course 281.25)
2011-02-10 14:49:55.622 <+35.05019495, -80.95596470> +/- 5.00m (speed 1.06 mps / course 281.25)


The updates below hang for 16 seconds, looks like it resets, and starts again…

2011-02-10 14:50:02.622 <+35.05025618, -80.95621658> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.51 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:03.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:04.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:05.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:06.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:07.621 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:08.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:09.621 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:11.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:12.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:13.621 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:14.621 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:15.621 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:16.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:17.621 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:18.622 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)
2011-02-10 14:50:19.621 <+35.05026792, -80.95626150> +/- 5.00m (speed 4.55 mps / course 288.63)

2011-02-10 14:50:20.622 <+35.05015895, -80.95663416> +/- 100.00m (speed -1.00 mps / course -1.00)
2011-02-10 14:50:21.621 <+35.05028162, -80.95690766> +/- 50.00m (speed 2.50 mps / course 270.35)
2011-02-10 14:50:22.621 <+35.05051548, -80.95699064> +/- 50.00m (speed 2.99 mps / course 324.14)
2011-02-10 14:50:23.621 <+35.05057172, -80.95702216> +/- 30.00m (speed 3.12 mps / course 324.84)


I hope Apple has a software fix in the near future...

I bought the Navigon app a couple days ago and every time I try to use it I lose GPS signal constantly, hopefully they fix it in the 4.3 update
 
Tigress666, I was thinking I likely had a bad phone. That was until I saw the post from jschacker. The repeating updates that he shows appear to mimic what I am seeing with my Verizon IP4. I get a GPS lock, then I lose it. I start a route, drive a half mile, then I lose signal. It usually says accuracy is 90 meters. It even loses it's signal while I am sitting still in the parking lot.

I get similar behavior when using Google maps, so it isn't just Navigon having the issue.

jschacker, you mention a software fix, so are you saying this isn't a hardware issue? I have 12 days to decide keep or get rid of this phone. If it is a software issue, I will put up with this and wait for a fix.

Kamilli0n sounds like you are in the same situation.

How can you find out if it's the software?
 
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