Verizon iPhone to Ship in A Few Weeks with Unlimited Data Plans?

[bearbear]

Ummm, that is not what I would consider concurrent use. You are using GPS, a call comes in and GPS STOPS. You talk, then get off the call and then go BACK to using GPS. That is not concurrent use as I see it. If I am not understanding you PLEASE correct me.

Here is my idea of concurrent use... you are using GPS, a call comes in you put it on speaker and go back to GPS WHILE talking.

Understand, I am not calling you a liar but I want to make sure we are talking the EXACT same situation. If I am not understanding, please correct. I am more interested in getting the actual result then who is right/wrong.

You're correct, GPS will not work while on call, but it will pause/continue when you're done.

EDIT- actually, post above may be right. Your route is cached and GPS is a different radio so picking up a call is no problem.

 

[SandynJosh]

Verizon is notorious for complete control over phone featured. Is apple letting them have their own side-storefront for verizon apps? Who's gonna give? Apple or Verizon?

You've been on this forum long enough to know the answer to your own question.

 

[zorinlynx]

You're correct, GPS will not work while on call, but it will pause/continue when you're done.

Why wouldn't GPS work while on a call? The GPS chipset should be able to function while the cellular radio handles the call.

Heck, you can have 3G completely turned off and the GPS will still work fine unless you're using a GPS nav program that requires the network, which is silly when there's several good options on the app store that do not. I'd rather my GPS not stop working because 3G coverage is weak or overloaded where I am!

 

[levitynyc]

The BBB is a joke. I've gotten a few for my business and I never bother responding. They asked for a "donation" to put a BBB approved stamp on my website. Please.... They are not as sleazy as Ripoff Report, but they are pretty damn close.

 

[macnews]

And that mindset is losing more substance every day

Even taking away the HIGH abusers, more people are using data everyday. It shows in the ridiculous increase per year in data usage from cellphone users

Add in that more products are being released on phones AND AT&T/Verizon seem to encourage people to use their products and services off their phones, and it seems perplexing to me to have such a LAUGHABLY low cap (2gb?)

For me personally, and I manage a media outlet, I never went over the 2GB limit when I had unlimited and now rarely go over the 200MB limit. The reason is the access to WiFi I have at home, work and many other places due to AT&T free Wifi plus my home ISP has free Wifi deals as well. Yes, this changes my numbers but free wifi is free wifi.

More importantly, my point in my other post to was the current wireless speeds are NOT fast. No matter what the data limit - even if true unlimited - I much prefer a true 802.11 wireless vs cell wireless. This is why to me, unlimited data is not such a huge deal as I don't want to be stuck at those slow speeds. I find the speed more laughable then the data limits.

 

[NoExpectations]

I've had my iPhone for two months and I've yet to use data while on a voice call.

I have a feeling people who do this regularly are in the minority.

True. I'm the minority. I use Cisco's WEBEX App. I can call my customer (voice call) and present/share data (Docs, spreadsheets, powerpoints) over the internet to their PC at the same time. My business relies on this.

I also answer calls from my wife asking for directions....I can look up addresses and talk to her at the same time.

It is a nice feature to have.

 

[davidcarswell]

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Verizon is notorious for complete control over phone featured. Is apple letting them have their own side-storefront for verizon apps? Who's gonna give? Apple or Verizon?

You've been on this forum long enough to know the answer to your own question.

LOL you got me. Just trying to liven' things up a bit. Get shoes flying. At starbucks bored outta my gourd. Hehe

 

[hayduke]

I think the "end" and "cancel" buttons on the Verizon promo picture are subliminal hints to can my AT&T account!

 

[SandynJosh]

The reason Verizon didn't have to have WiFi in their handsets, was because they didn't have to rely on it for coverage like ATT does.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I was thinking that if you are on WiFi, you weren't burning cell phone contract minutes? That would save me a lot since I work from home and could be on my own WiFi.

 

[Full of Win]

I expect lower prices at Verizon....after all you are getting less:

-slower speed

But much more coverage.

-no concurrent data and voice access (I can't use my GPS while I talk!)

Never have talked while using the internet. Also, yes you can use GPS while talking. You may not to get Google Maps, but that has to do with the maps, not the GPS signal. Two different things

-no international coverage

Tell that to China, huge CDMA market.

-no rollover minutes

Never use them anyway.

-no free visual voicemail

You know this how?

-no free wifi

Don't care since their 3G footprint is much larger the ATT. The only reason I have t use ATT free WiFi is because of their total ineptitude at 3G deployment.



For me, Verizon is about getting competency. That alone is worth it to me.

 

[davidcarswell]

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Has anyone noticed that ISPs and data providers have redefined the English definition to the word "unlimited" since when did unlimited ever mean anything other than no limits, without bounds, et al. And why do people accept it when offers state unlimited as a sales pitch and the bust your b*lls cause you went beyond their interpretation of what unlimited equals. It's lying. Outright outrageous. But maybe that means something else too. Hmmmm. Before long we aren't going to be able to communicate. And understand each other.

I'm just saying.

 

[macnews]

I have a Droid. Here is how it works. You have GPS on, a phone call comes in, you start talking. When you are about to come to a turn, the voice guided GPS voices over the call and says "Make a right/left at wherever" without interrupting your phone call.

Thank you. That is what I would say is concurrent use, but if you don't mind me digging in more here -

Other posters noted the GPS might work because it uses a different chip, so it should work at the same time as the cell radio.

The next test then would be can you be on a phone call and at the same time pull up a web browser and do an internet search while talking? This would be with WiFi off of course.

 

[viewfly]

Well, this is my opinion: Apple dislikes making two types of products, when they can make only one.

I suspect we will see one of the below possibilities with the Verizon iPhone launch:

1. It will be CDMA with GSM/WCDMA freq to make it a competitive business and world phone...as Verizon already has with some of its phones...including the Droid Pro. Apple would not want to be left out here...and there is a chipset that will do that.

It will also have a modified antenna metal band as we have seen leaked. Verizon is not going to sell a phone with the same problems as gsm IP4. Apple will make some excuse that it had to be done to make it also CDMA...but it will move the weak spot to a better location and likely they make the spot itself less sensitive.

OR

2. It will be CDMA with LTE for data. There are Android LTE phone that Verizon will have soon...Apple will not want to appear to behind the curve here. I think this is less likely though.

If it is #1, that for certain that modified antenna phone will appear on ATT in the summer...if not sooner. And probably some new bells and whistles too. And the ATT iPHone will have GSM/WCDMA plus an inactive CDMA. That will make one product for all carriers and is the most efficient for Apple, and will ease the critics comments that they are now admitting the iP4 flaw, and all should get one for free.

I think it very unlikely that we will see a CDMA phone only. It is not apple-like, nor a good business decision.

IMHO

 

[lpj8]

Thank you. That is what I would say is concurrent use, but if you don't mind me digging in more here -

Other posters noted the GPS might work because it uses a different chip, so it should work at the same time as the cell radio.

The next test then would be can you be on a phone call and at the same time pull up a web browser and do an internet search while talking? This would be with WiFi off of course.

With WiFi off, no. Internet connectivity will pause. For example, if I'm loading a webpage, and someone calls me, the loading of the page will pause, and I'll be asked to take the call or not. If I accept the call, I can look at my calendar, email already received, and web pages that have already loaded, but I can't do anything that requires an active connectivity and the web page will not continue to load.

With WiFi on, then I can do anything on the internet while talking on the phone.

I hope this clarifies.

 

[puckhead193]

And the new Verizon iPhone will ship in an EXCLUSIVE White Color (Now this is why Apple REALLY waited)

it would be a good way for people to distinguish which iphone is on what carrier.

Now all that remains is price. I hope they include some text messages as well since i will be loosing BBM...

 

[macnews]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I was thinking that if you are on WiFi, you weren't burning cell phone contract minutes? That would save me a lot since I work from home and could be on my own WiFi.

That is NOT correct, but there are some options.

First, if you are on Wifi and make a phone call you WILL use your plan minutes.

Second, if you are on Wifi and used data that DOES NOT count against your data plan usage. Only data transferred over the cell network counts as your plan data usage.

Third, I have heard of work arounds and there might be some apps that work on WiFi like a phone using google voice or skype. I know for a fact this works on an iPod Touch and think therefore it would have to work on an iPhone. The catch is you can't use the regular phone function because anything that goes through the phone uses your plan minutes. This should be true of any phone - iPhone, Driod or Blackberry.

 

[ranReloaded]

Great move. Now, bring the iPhone to NTT docomo and let's see how well the Galaxy S does in Japan.

 

[Sticman]

But much more coverage.



Never have talked while using the internet. Also, yes you can use GPS while talking. You may not to get Google Maps, but that has to do with the maps, not the GPS signal. Two different things


Tell that to China, huge CDMA market.


Never use them anyway.


You know this how?


Don't care since their 3G footprint is much larger the ATT. The only reason I have t use ATT free WiFi is because of their total ineptitude at 3G deployment.



For me, Verizon is about getting competency. That alone is worth it to me.

Exactly. Thank you for this well thought out response.

 

[NKT]

It is a well documented restriction of Verizon's implementation of CDMA...NO CONCURRENT VOICE and DATA. MAybe your GPS App had a local database to work off of.

....from Noexpectations with some expectations after all.

It has nothing to do with the network. It has to do with the chipset device makers are using. The network IS capable.

Perhaps the VZW iPhone will be the first device to use the Qualcomm MSM7630 which is indeed SVDO capable:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...am-smartphone-tier-of-chipsets-69841897.html#

The MSM7x30 family of chipsets, which includes the MSM7230(TM) solution for HSPA+ networks and MSM7630(TM) solution with multi-mode HSPA+/EV-DO Rev. B and SV-DO support, is designed around optimal data throughput and powerful multimedia functionality

 

[viewfly]

Rollover minutes are great if you live on the edge between plans. Otherwise it's strange to hear people talk about their thousands of minutes that will never get used... it simply means they had too big a plan.

Believe me, I know from personnel experience these ( rollover minutes) come in handle when you have an extended family emergency to handle in a strange town.

The reason Verizon didn't have to have WiFi in their handsets, was because they didn't have to rely on it for coverage like ATT does.

No one uses wi-fi to extend there coverage- data or voice. It is all about speed or data plans. In fact only recently has one been able to make phone calls via wi-fi.

I heard this argument before and it is bogus...even to the people I know that work for Verizon pretty high up.

 

[Full of Win]

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Has anyone noticed that ISPs and data providers have redefined the English definition to the word "unlimited" since when did unlimited ever mean anything other than no limits, without bounds, et al. And why do people accept it when offers state unlimited as a sales pitch and the bust your b*lls cause you went beyond their interpretation of what unlimited equals. It's lying. Outright outrageous. But maybe that means something else too. Hmmmm. Before long we aren't going to be able to communicate. And understand each other.

I'm just saying.

Direct from the blood suckers

A voice plan is not required with DataConnect plans.

We may, at our discretion, suspend your account if we believe your data usage is excessive, unusual or is better suited to another rate plan. If you are on a data plan that does not include a monthly MB/GB allowance and additional data usage rates, you agree that AT&T has the right to impose additional charges if you use more than 5 GB in a month; provided that, prior to the imposition of any additional charges, AT&T shall provide you with notice and you shall have the right to terminate your Data Service.

With that said, it was a stipulation in the contract we signed. Like it or not, we agreed to be ripped off by their clowns.

 

[macnews]

With WiFi off, no. Internet connectivity will pause. For example, if I'm loading a webpage, and someone calls me, the loading of the page will pause, and I'll be asked to take the call or not. If I accept the call, I can look at my calendar, email already received, and web pages that have already loaded, but I can't do anything that requires an active connectivity and the web page will not continue to load.

With WiFi on, then I can do anything on the internet while talking on the phone.

I hope this clarifies.

Ahh, yes and THANK YOU for the answer!

So what you describe is not the same way an iPhone on AT&T functions. I can be on a call and do an internet search while talking to someone. I've done this several times to look up movie times, sporting scores, find business phone numbers, etc. Not being able to do this is a huge difference from an iPhone.

From what I have learned here it sounds like as it stands right now, the Verizon version of CDMA can NOT do concurrent voice and data as confirmed by lpj8. Now, RUMORS are an upgrade to the network will allow this with the new iPhone. I think we will have to see in the wild how well it works if this is true since it will be new tech.

 

[NKT]

From what I have learned here it sounds like as it stands right now, the Verizon version of CDMA can NOT do concurrent voice and data as confirmed by lpj8. Now, RUMORS are an upgrade to the network will allow this with the new iPhone. I think we will have to see in the wild how well it works if this is true since it will be new tech.

It is not the network that prevents this. It's the chip in the device.

 

[Mattsasa]

There is a ton of talk on this forum about voice, and dropped calls, and simlataniously voice and data. I am probably in the minority but I make phone calls maybe once a month. However, I send about 200 texts in a day. In my opinion is far more efficient

 

[davidcarswell]

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I reckon. But I think we should revolt and stop this practice. A data revolution and let them eat GBs.
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