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What this article didnt mention is that Apple refused to license the patent from Samsung and that is why the ban was approved along with finding that they did infringe on the patent. And for those asking why wasn't Verizon phones covered, if I remember correctly, the patent was related to GSM 3G technology.

Both of your statements above are wrong.

Apple requested for license, Samsung asked for a ridiculous rate, over 10 times higher than all other licensees, then Apple refused to EVER go back to the table after that.

It's about several licenses related to CDMA, but had to be included in all version of the phones. Start from the CDMA iPhone 4 (released half a year later than AT&T version of iPhone 4), that implementation is included in Quacomm's chip and sub-licensing term, so Apple no longer needs to explicitly license them from Samsung.
 
Patent abuse? If it's not apple pushing people around it's patent abuse?

*Yes, I know it's not YOUR statement.


Don't be so quick to blame Apple, as they are forced into the ridiculous US patent sytem like everyone else.

I really hope that this leads to an import ban. Why? Because finally we might see action on getting rid of our lunatic patent laws.
 
Both of your statements above are wrong.

Apple requested for license, Samsung asked for a ridiculous rate, over 10 times higher than all other licensees, then Apple refused to EVER go back to the table after that.

It's about several licenses related to CDMA, but had to be included in all version of the phones. Start from the CDMA iPhone 4 (released half a year later than AT&T version of iPhone 4), that implementation is included in Quacomm's chip and sub-licensing term, so Apple no longer needs to explicitly license them from Samsung.

If what you said is true then the ITC would never have agreed to the ban because Samsung is required to offer fair and reasonable licensing fees. Do you have a source to back that up?
 
The President needs to steer clear of this issue. I don't really care one way or the other, if the iPhone gets banded or not. My issue is the waste of tax payers money by having a commission look into this problem and then having its judgement tossed out. Why bother going through with the charade if the decision was determined before the investigation begins? It also sends the message that the commission has no authority at all.
 
I'm pretty sure the president has more pressing matters to attend to than to worry about Samsung and Apple's pissing contest.

I'm also sure that he would rather be involved in the Samsung / Apple fight then do anything about the more pressing matters :D.

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by having a commission look into this problem and then having its judgement tossed out. Why bother going through with the charade if the decision was determined before the investigation begins?

It happens all the time. Take a look at all the laws that congress passes that are totally ignored.
 
It's about several licenses related to CDMA, but had to be included in all version of the phones. Start from the CDMA iPhone 4 (released half a year later than AT&T version of iPhone 4), that implementation is included in Quacomm's chip and sub-licensing term, so Apple no longer needs to explicitly license them from Samsung.

True, and what a lot of people miss is that GSM phone uses CDMA for data!. So all pre-Verizon iPhone and iPad 3G products, even though they were exclusive on GSM, use CDMA technology - and I think that's the license in question.
 
Don't be so quick to blame Apple, as they are forced into the ridiculous US patent sytem like everyone else.

I really hope that this leads to an import ban. Why? Because finally we might see action on getting rid of our lunatic patent laws.

I'm not blaming them, they did not make the statement. It's a common train of thought by many to support apple in patent lawsuits while yelling patent abuse at others doing the same thing.
 
I guess the system wasn't broken when the kangaroo court awarded Apple $1B for rounded corners, but now they want to President to step in for a valid violation where Apple is using a technology without paying for it. And while we are talking about fair pricing, it seems to me that Apple wanted some $10+/phone for those GUI gimmicks...
 
I'm pretty sure the president has more pressing matters to attend to than to worry about Samsung and Apple's pissing contest.

That is somewhat strange. The president serves the people. It can be argued that quite a few Americans would be directly affected by such a ban. Exactly what does he have on his plate that needs to be taken care of before august 5th and impacts more Americans in a similar way? That's an honest question, I'm open to answers :)
 
This would explain why I couldn't activate my mom's iPhone 4 this morning and unlocking it with ATT. Here I thought the unlocking process went haywire.
 
No one seemed to care when Samsung was blocked from the Australian market for a year. I'm not sure why they're suddenly concerned when it affects them.

Well, because it affects them. :confused:

Are you suggesting people should be concerned about every patent issue in every other country that doesn't affect them???
 
get over it

they should just call a truce now until the next big issue comes up at least. i think ipad iphone disputes r over
 
does this mean wheni take my iphone 4 in for replacement (apple care), i would get a 4s? :D
 
The President needs to steer clear of this issue. I don't really care one way or the other, if the iPhone gets banded or not. My issue is the waste of tax payers money by having a commission look into this problem and then having its judgement tossed out. Why bother going through with the charade if the decision was determined before the investigation begins? It also sends the message that the commission has no authority at all.

You mean like when the SCOTUS rules on voting laws and then the current administration files motions that directly contradict a 2 month old ruling? That kind of waist of money?

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This would explain why I couldn't activate my mom's iPhone 4 this morning and unlocking it with ATT. Here I thought the unlocking process went haywire.

This has nothing to do with that.
 
so what. apple will discontinue those products anyway this fall.
apple is just buying time. next.


* however as a principle, this ridiculous patent war is out of hand. the whole system of patents need a major overhaoul how they are awarded and enforced.

The patent wars are a total affront to reason. There are also way too many patent trolls that manage to extort money simply by threatening to sue on frivolous patents.
 
Wait, I thought CDMA pertained only to Verizon. AT&T uses GSM.

GSM uses Wide CDMA for for its 3G.

It turns out that Infineon didn't have a license for Samsung's IP on this. Later phones with Qualcomm broadband chips are okay.

And while we are talking about fair pricing, it seems to me that Apple wanted some $10+/phone for those GUI gimmicks...

Apple wanted an incredibly high $30 per phone and $40 per tablet.

Apple requested for license, Samsung asked for a ridiculous rate, over 10 times higher than all other licensees, then Apple refused to EVER go back to the table after that.

Missed a step. Samsung gave the standard high starting rate. Apple responded with a very low rate. Samsung continued to make ever lower offers. Apple never responded again, but instead went to the courts claiming Samsung was not being FRAND.

The ITC noted this lack of negotiation, and also that Apple did not follow ETSI FRAND rules which require the next step be asking for arbitration.

That is somewhat strange. The president serves the people. It can be argued that quite a few Americans would be directly affected by such a ban. Exactly what does he have on his plate that needs to be taken care of before august 5th and impacts more Americans in a similar way? That's an honest question, I'm open to answers :)

Verizon asked President Bush back in 2007 to stop an ITC ban of CDMA phones which had a far greater impact than this ban would, as Verizon would've run out of devices to sell. The President did not intervene, so Verizon had to pay $6 per phone to Broadcom on their own, just to get phones imported.

Presidents don't usually get involved in this type of thing, but rather let the case go into appeal. However, the appeals court only overturns about 15% of the ITC decisions, IIRC.
 
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Verizon Payback?

"Though Verizon is not directly affected by case as it pertains solely to AT&T products, Milch believes that such a ban would further encourage patent abuse."

Perhaps Verizon wants to stop all this patent trolling stuff and potential lawsuits against Verizon in the future.

So Verizon starts to pay back the 14BN that it will owe Apple for not fulfilling the contractual obligations by supporting Apple in its stupid litigation?
 
Apple requested for license, Samsung asked for a ridiculous rate, over 10 times higher than all other licensees, then Apple refused to EVER go back to the table after that.

Not exactly - see kdarlings post quoted below.

GSM uses Wide CDMA for for its 3G.

Missed a step. Samsung gave the standard high starting rate. Apple responded with a very low rate. Samsung continued to make ever lower offers. Apple never responded again, but instead went to the courts claiming Samsung was not being FRAND.

The ITC noted this lack of negotiation, and also that Apple did not follow ETSI FRAND rules which require the next step be asking for arbitration.
 
God I wish I was a patent lawyer.

You can become one although, like everything else in life, you only get out of it what you put into it (i.e. it takes a lot of effort to succeed / excel at being one).

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Would be nice to see presidential intervention, Dont count on it as its rare.

Our current president will certainly intervene if he thinks it will help him politically.
 
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