Verizon - No discount upgrading to iPhone 5 from 4S?

Has been for years, great. Things change though. Look at the major reinvention of revenue Verizon has created by moving from tiered minute/text plans to tiered data plans, grandfathering old plans, and restrictions on grandfathering that have *NEVER* happened before like the unlimited data feature loss debacle. Just because it has been a certain way is not really enough reason to believe things won't change.

That said, my evidence to believe that there would be an issue with the new-line-upgrade-and-dumbphone-switcheroo-downgrade system isn't the strongest, either:

In the last 6 months, in all sorts of retail levels, little tags and blurbs have appeared on pricing stating a requirement of a data plan at $XX, alongside normally standard requirement of a 24-month commitment, which would seem to more say that it's the data plan required for the commitment moreso than the data plan required for the phone.

But I could just be looking into it a bit too deeply. Maybe the switcheroo-downgrade will work without a hitch.

That said, even if it works through mostly-automated channels, all it would take would be one savvy and overly-concerned customer service agent or supervisor realizing what you've done and putting a visible note on your account to give you lots of problems with this approach.

Nonetheless, the switcheroo-downgrade is pretty smart.

You are looking into it way too deeply.
Relax and Just Do It like Nike says:D
There's nothing illegal or anything on your contract that prohibits such thing.
People update and automaticly sell their new phone all the time. Swap upgrades with other people etc... People lose, break or get their iphones stolen all the time. They dont make them keep an iphone data plan on their account for the next 23 months if they're not even using an iphone any more.
You're still tied in for 24 months on that new line you created.
 
You are looking into it way too deeply.
Relax and Just Do It like Nike says:D
There's nothing illegal or anything on your contract that prohibits such thing.
People update and automaticly sell their new phone all the time. Swap upgrades with other people etc... People lose, break or get their iphones stolen all the time. They dont make them keep an iphone data plan on their account for the next 23 months if they're not even using an iphone any more.
You're still tied in for 24 months on that new line you created.

Well, yes, nothing illegal. But, *actually* a lot of people who buy from an indirect agent - AKA the Verizon store that says "Superior Cellular Advantage Inc" below the Verizon logo in tiny letters, or Best Buy, or Target Mobile, or Radioshack, etc - do enter into a separate agreement with a separate early termination fee (sometimes up to an additional $375!) to protect their commission from Verizon, and they usually have all of your credit card and personal information on file as well as your signature agreeing to it.

And I know for a fact that when you activate with X price plan and features, and then disconnect or change it to Y price plan and features, within the first 90 days, it does affect that commission paid to indirect agents and retailers. They call it "chargeback," and they sometimes take sales consultants' commission pay into the negative.

I'm not saying I'd lose sleep over it (especially iPhone launch month), but if you're not buying from Apple or Verizon directly, just be aware that you may be agreeing to a separate, additional early termination fee agreement that could be invoked with a change like the switcheroo-downgrade system.

That said, for my friend with Verizon mulling Share Everything vs their existing unlimited plans, I'm sure as hell going to tell them to try this! :)
 
Or you can add a line this year to your plan and use it to get the iphone 5 subsidized.
Then next year use your own line to get the full upgrade on the next iphone and so on.
This way you always have an upgrade every year available.
I think it will cost you around $10 more to add a line to your family plan so $120 a year.

I know this is possible with at&t, but I thought I read somewhere that Verizon is now forcing the shared plan on new lines/customers, in which case even a dumbphone on the shared plan is $30 per month. No?
 
I know this is possible with at&t, but I thought I read somewhere that Verizon is now forcing the shared plan on new lines/customers, in which case even a dumbphone on the shared plan is $30 per month. No?

Not quite... new customers, yes, Share Everything is it. But for new lines (on existing accounts), it is complicated. Here's the Verizon scoop:

If you have a grandfathered plan (basically everything other than Share Everything), with unlimited data, and you want to upgrade your equipment to a smartphone, you have these options:

- change to Share Everything era plan
- add a data package to your grandfathered plan***
- pay full retail price for a device
- provide your own hardware (purchase it off of eBay or used)

But really, for some people the Share Everything plans save money and avoid overage... I knew people who had 2-4 lines each with per-line data packages and sometimes even overage when one line would go over data (but they other ones wouldn't), and those people are saving a lot of money with shared/pooled data in the Share Everything.

Plus, now minutes and texts are unlimited, plan pricing is more straightforward (no more $100 initial plan and $10 add-a-lines), and you can have up to 10 devices versus the prior 5 max devices (and tablets are just $10/mo).

The dumbphone $30/mo for unlim talk and text is especially great, because that's prepaid cheap pricing on the nation's best network.

*** this is where the potentially-awesome switcheroo-downgrade approach *COULD* work. add a line for $9.99 a month, and add the $30/2GB plan to it, then switch the ESN on the account to an old dumbphone and drop the $30/2GB plan, and switch the ESN on your unlimited data line to your new iPhone 5!
 
Or you can add a line this year to your plan and use it to get the iphone 5 subsidized.
Then next year use your own line to get the full upgrade on the next iphone and so on.
This way you always have an upgrade every year available.
I think it will cost you around $10 more to add a line to your family plan so $120 a year.

This.

It's how I got my current 4s. Went to a verizon store (not a reseller), added a new line for an old flip phone I had (and Verizon showed me as having and previously activated on the account), added the iPhone and switched the numbers.
 
ha ha ha the first two posts on here are why every other country in the world hates us Americans. Entitlement.

How about you THINK about things in life before just blindly doing something.

"Durr dur, if I walk into this store and write my name on the neato machine by the com-puter, I can has iPhone....errrr"

"oh noess! New iPhone here but I can't upgrade. This is outrage! Corporations suck! How does one cheat system?"
 
I see a possible news story for page 2 of Mac Rumors ...

This just in folks, customers are required to live out the 24-month contract they signed!

Oh the mother ****ing horror! Outrage in masses ... no one will get out alive!




ha ha ha the first two posts on here are why every other country in the world hates us Americans.
A second breaking news story ... not every other country in the world hates Americans ... your statistic machine is broken.
 
I see a possible news story for page 2 of Mac Rumors ...

This just in folks, customers are required to live out the 24-month contract they signed!

Oh the mother ****ing horror! Outrage in masses ... no one will get out alive!





A second breaking news story ... not every other country in the world hates Americans ... your statistic machine is broken.

dead!!! :D
 
this is where the potentially-awesome switcheroo-downgrade approach *COULD* work. add a line for $9.99 a month, and add the $30/2GB plan to it, then switch the ESN on the account to an old dumbphone and drop the $30/2GB plan, and switch the ESN on your unlimited data line to your new iPhone 5!

Can you switch the ESN yourself via online OR do you have to contact a Verizon phone rep and it must be done on their end???
 
I think I might add the line. Upgrade every year for only $120 a year extra? ill take it. Don't have to worry about the etf I'm not leaving AT&T.
 
Verizon Early Upgrade Fee

I usually pay 199 for the phone plus 20 bucks early upgrade fee. Heard the 20 has increased to 40 now.

This is pricing once the 20 month mark is reached. Did this Feb for the 4S.
 
I usually pay 199 for the phone plus 20 bucks early upgrade fee. Heard the 20 has increased to 40 now.

This is pricing once the 20 month mark is reached. Did this Feb for the 4S.

how can you do early upgrade again if you just did it for the 4S, which wasnt more than 20months ago.

Also, I have a feeling we will be able to pre-order the phone on the 12th (day of announcement), kind of like what was done for the last ipad.

My verizon update date is 10/07/12, but talked to verizon customer service on phone yesterday and explained situation that my wife's phone got completly wet when our little one threw it in the toilet. Wife is now using a temporarily old-school phone. I want the new iphone and she will get my iphone 4. I got manager approval while on the phone and it is noted on my account and just need to call back when pre-order starts. This way I dont have to wait a few more weeks for my update to kick in.
 
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I'm stealing my mom's upgrade lol. She likes her simple phones so I just buy them outright for her. Usually only cost a hundred bucks or so...



how can you do early upgrade again if you just did it for the 4S, which wasnt more than 20months ago.

Also, I have a feeling we will be able to pre-order the phone on the 12th (day of announcement), kind of like what was done for the last ipad.

My verizon update date is 10/07/12, but talked to verizon customer service on phone yesterday and explained situation that my wife's phone got completly wet when our little one threw it in the toilet. Wife is now using a temporarily old-school phone. I want the new iphone and she will get my iphone 4. I got manager approval while on the phone and it is noted on my account and just need to call back when pre-order starts. This way I dont have to wait a few more weeks for my update to kick in.
 
A second breaking news story ... not every other country in the world hates Americans ... your statistic machine is broken.

oh boy... you're still taking the internets too seriously aren't you. It was an exaggeration.

As soon as I saw your post policing my obvious generallization, I knew I remembered you:

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/14534520/

Once again, learn to relax. It's the internet... people are going to exaggerate. People are going to lie. People are going to be mean. I would hate to be in your shoes and feel the need to call out people on all of the above. What tiring work...
 
oh boy... you're still taking the internets too seriously aren't you. It was an exaggeration.

As soon as I saw your post policing my obvious generallization, I knew I remembered you:

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/14534520/

Once again, learn to relax. It's the internet... people are going to exaggerate. People are going to lie. People are going to be mean. I would hate to be in your shoes and feel the need to call out people on all of the above. What tiring work...


Hey, you don't get more than 30,000 posts on MR by sitting back in your laurels and relaxing! :D
 
I know this is possible with at&t, but I thought I read somewhere that Verizon is now forcing the shared plan on new lines/customers, in which case even a dumbphone on the shared plan is $30 per month. No?

Im not sure.
If they pull something like that its pretty crappy. A dumbphone with a $30 data fee.
 
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