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I'm trying to understand. This thread is about Verizon and it's offerings to it's customers. You don't have Verizon. You get t-mobile and netflix. We're all happy for you. But why come into this thread to brag about how you don't care about those who use Verizon. I just don't understand.
I think they’re trying to make us all aware T-mobile gives you free Netflix, which not everyone may know. I didn’t until I started looking into switching to them. It’s a nice perk
 
To all of those that say “it’s not profitable”, do you mean that it’s not profitable enough without the ads? It seems like Netflix just shovels large heaps of cash for these formulaic series and documentaries of their own brand. With their subscriber count, I feel like they have a fair amount of monthly income - it may just be spending problem, no?
 
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These ad-supported paid streaming services can go die in a fire. I'm fine with FAST channels like Pluto TV and Tubi. But I really don't see paying for a premium service and then dealing with ads unless it's like $1 a month like Hulu is during black friday.
 
Definitely. The current business model for streaming isn't profitable without advertising. It's only a matter of time before there is no Ad Free streaming. Honestly they could do away with Ad Free tomorrow across the industry and what could anyone do about it? People aren't going to just stop watching TV, anymore than they can just stop eating.

mmmmm I could quit TV before food. But yes.

And to answer your question, well, it's been a while since I've dipped me boat into the briny deep. Perhaps I shall see what fair winds I can find.
 
I think there will but they will be more and more expensive. They know there is a demographic that refuses to watch anything with ads, and as long as they make it more expensive than what they’d get from the ad space it’s still more profitable (plus they aren’t wasting bandwidth sending ads, which has to save them something).

If they take away an ad-free option pirating will come back in a big way

I hope you're right. They are certainly testing the economic boundaries. And right now with everyone's belt getting tight, these million increasingly expensive streaming services are looking pretty ripe for cutting.
 
Its a real shame that the add supported tier is quite restricted in its content. I wonder how many sign up not realizing this…
Wait the ad supported tier doesn't have all of netflix's content?! That's insane
 
I agree.

People paid for watching commercials for decades with standard Cable TV. Amazing how consumer expectations have changed in the internet era. We now want so much more for so much less.

I just want video files I can play when I want from beginning to end without being visually assaulted, with a player that actually cares about my viewing experience. Is that so much to ask?

Tried watching a Bluray the other day and they still treat me like a damn criminal. Unskippable ads and piracy warnings. Yeah I'm aware of the piracy aspect. That's why I'm TRYING to PAY YOU to watch this damn video and not get lectured about piracy.

I wouldn't say we want so much more for so much less. We just want the balance to shift a bit back towards the middle.

I can't even watch content I bought anymore without wading through ads to get there. Funny how one's own library can't be set as the default view in Apple TV, Amazon Prime Video, etc.

I would still happily buy a license if they would just let me watch it through Plex or VLC. Even Plex has started going down the dark side lately.

iTunes used to be exactly what I'm describing, by the way. Thanks Tim.
 
Kind of depends what you want. I always liked Netflix for the comedy specials, almost nowhere else to find them now.
Absolutely this - while there may be quality content on other services, Netflix content is more entertaining for a general audience, and covers all age and interest demographics. It also has the best range of international content. Disney+ catalogue is either older content or endless spinoffs of their IP - there is very little original content on there.
 
Absolutely this - while there may be quality content on other services, Netflix content is more entertaining for a general audience, and covers all age and interest demographics. It also has the best range of international content. Disney+ catalogue is either older content or endless spinoffs of their IP - there is very little original content on there.

I do get a lot of the Netflix hate, but they also seem to have started swinging the pendulum a little more back towards the things people liked about them.
 
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Wait the ad supported tier doesn't have all of netflix's content?! That's insane
In some regions at least… my brother had the ad tier and some TV shows were unavailable on that plan :/

I thought it was atrocious.
 
Personally, I have never sent a Cable TV company a single check or payment. I never will pay for ads.

I understand the sentiment but that’s getting harder and harder. You must have layers and layers of filters. I always find it ironic that the cellular network cartel wants to charge the user for delivering the ads as well. They want to call zero rating a good thing, somehow ads never came up in that discussion. Now if AT&T wanted to charge Google what they’re charging the user at $10 a gig minimum, that might have been a different story.
 
Personally, I have never sent a Cable TV company a single check or payment. I never will pay for ads.
Sounds like you haven’t payed but have watched your share of commercials on TV. And what about YouTube and the internet in general? But I get it. I’ve met a few weirdos that actually like commercials. I don’t understand that at all but we’ve all been trained already so I think you’ll be just fine if all streaming services eventually become ad-driven.
 
I think there will but they will be more and more expensive. They know there is a demographic that refuses to watch anything with ads, and as long as they make it more expensive than what they’d get from the ad space it’s still more profitable (plus they aren’t wasting bandwidth sending ads, which has to save them something).

If they take away an ad-free option pirating will come back in a big way
It can be the "ad-filled" plans can subsidize it for the ad-free folks.

I've had someone who used to do the books for a burger and fries joint say that if everybody only came in and bought soda, they'd be fine. Some supermarkets get so much info off apps and rewards program that that makes about as much money as actual sales of products. It seems restaurants that sell alcohol can reap in a lot of profits (which makes me realize that I'm hardly a "good patron", as I never buy booze [shrug])
 
I would protest these price increases and ads on paid subscriptions by sailing the seas, but would require that there is new content out there worth downloading.
 
On principle, I do NOT agree with this. For me, I just want the experience to be decent. I understand that everyone has different tolerances towards ads (length per ad, how many total # ads there are, where they get inserted, what they are.. especially political ads, how often they repeat the same one). For me, Hulu is a prime counterexample where even if they, paid me money, to use it... I wouldn't. Let alone if it was free.

As for what we refer to as "double dipping"... they've run some expenses and determined that ad-revenue alone isn't enough for some of these services. Not like why some business venues have a cover charge. Or why despite how pricy some Apple products can be, basic accessories and other stuff costs extra $$.

First, do the math and you'll see these companies are highly under-valuing your time. Take the price difference between an ad-free plan and an ad-supported plan, and divide it by the number of hours per month of ads they'll show. It usually ends up being less than $1/hour. That's how much they'll discounting the service to pollute your brain. My time, especially my leisure free-time, is worth way more than that.

Second, ads are particularly poisonous to kids. They don't know how to differentiate between content and ads as well as adults, they often can't tell the difference, and the ads are particularly effective on them. It's really apparent this time of year around the holidays. My kids who never see ads on TV have wishlists that are, for lack of a better term, basic. They want "a truck," "more books," and "a doctor kit like at school." Their friends who have cable tv and thus watch ads at home have much longer and more specific wishlists, like they want the "Hotwheels City Hauler Ultimate" and the "Paw Patrol Rescue Mission Under the Ocean Playset." There is also a difference in how they react if they don't get the exact toy on their wishlist. My kids really don't care, because their wishlist was not specific to begin with. They're not disappointed because any truck and any book is what they wanted; whereas their ad-watching friends get really upset if the Hotwheels or Paw Patrol whatever is not the exact one they wanted. I'd rather have no TV at all than subject my kids to that.

And all it takes is a few bucks per month to rid my home of ads - that is probably the best money I spend.
 
I find it hard to believe that you've never payed for cable TV that also runs ads?
I've paid for cable in the past, but I cut the cord around 2012 and haven't looked back. A huge reason for cutting the cord was ads - I realized how insane it is to pay $100/month to watch channels that show 5-7 minutes of ads per 30-minute episode.
 
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Exactly. They never discount the plan without ads because the point of these discounts is to get you to watch the ads.

Now we enter endgame. Mark my words, within a few years there will no longer be plans without ads. Exactly the same pattern that happened with cable TV.
Then I'll go back to sailing the high seas. My principal can be revised and it still rhymes: Ad-free, or ads and it's free. And if the service doesn't offer, then it's a pirates life for me!
 
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