Hello from Europe (20 miles outside London, UK) where we get 9mbit fibre (to FTTC) with 0.8 upload... Ah, best I stop right there before mentioning my lack of 3G signal.... Still, we do have nice tea.
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We get allmost everything for free for our taxes... our taxes goes to healthcare system not pockets of investors...free schools and everything. how much does americans get paid to go to school? we get about the same as average american income just to go to school..
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does it make a difference? our data can be used all over europe ....and the U.S aswell ...that is right I can use my phone just like home in the U.S
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they are private
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And US salaries are still wayyyyyy lower then most Europeans. I make $45k a year as a lousy IT-tech. I have friends in the IT-business that make upwards of $140k a year as programmers at medium companies.
Still, our phone plans are dead cheap. I pay $64 a month for 2 lines (me and wifey) with 12GB of shared monthly data which carries over and unlimited talk and text.
The days of government owned phone carriers are gone, they are all private nowadays.
Still, our phone plans are dead cheap. I pay $64 a month for 2 lines (me and wifey) with 12GB of shared monthly data which carries over and unlimited talk and text.
The days of government owned phone carriers are gone, they are all private nowadays.
internet I about the same.... gasoline is not a good thing so cheap...cars more than 2.0 engine actually gets the middle finger over here.
we do not have gmo and other stuff... food is a little kore expensive but not much.
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Denmark...it even cheaper in many other european countrys
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yes if you are rich and can pay for insurrance..... the amount of people living our 50 times smaller country is about a 50th of america...so about the same.
If americans wonder where money is going from healthcare to internet....look up at the tall skyscrapers. and delaware and panama and so on.
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we actually even get paid to got to school... about the same as average americans income for danish student with a child....oh..and all schools are free
[doublepost=1467876565][/doublepost]actually why dont americans get a an examble 10gb and free phonecall subscription from my country that can be used for free in the us. fast search 10gb for 30$
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Weird how poorer countries have much cheaper tariffs. I live in Spain and pay just US$32 (€29), for unlimited calls in Spain, 100 minutes to any European mobile or landline, 10GB data (local and roaming), plus unlimited roaming minutes while travelling in Europe.
To get that same plan in the US would cost way more than double, plus it wouldn't be half as good!
You guys are getting totally stitched up!
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Well, that's a load of nonsense. (I was going to say something else but it's all too easy to get reprimanded on Macrumors).
I've been working in IT for the past 12 years and if you make $45k as an IT technician, you are doing well. $140k as a programmer is total nonsense. I work with a team of very senior developers in a medium company and I can tell you now, they earn about €40k for juniors and up to about €80k for senior IT management.
Whoever told you $140k is telling you porkie pies
To get that same plan in the US would cost way more than double, plus it wouldn't be half as good!
You guys are getting totally stitched up!
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Well, that's a load of nonsense. (I was going to say something else but it's all too easy to get reprimanded on Macrumors).
I've been working in IT for the past 12 years and if you make $45k as an IT technician, you are doing well. $140k as a programmer is total nonsense. I work with a team of very senior developers in a medium company and I can tell you now, they earn about €40k for juniors and up to about €80k for senior IT management.
Whoever told you $140k is telling you porkie pies
never got this wierd difference... voted among most happy country in the world since forever... never had an insurrance in any way, gone to school all my 40 year life for free, owner of 7 different mental dissabilities and absolute lowest income in my country (about homeless status in your country)
...here is a picture of me going shoppaholic at one infinite loop.... think I will go and get the new watch there again when they release it. (pic will not upload)
where american money is going I can only speculate...all I know is that I come from generations of lowest income and mental disorders in my country but in la i shop at farmers market all the time
and now also the 4g connection!
honestly your socialist Bernie wants what we have.
someone is inside the americans .....elbow deep
...here is a picture of me going shoppaholic at one infinite loop.... think I will go and get the new watch there again when they release it. (pic will not upload)
where american money is going I can only speculate...all I know is that I come from generations of lowest income and mental disorders in my country but in la i shop at farmers market all the time
and now also the 4g connection!
honestly your socialist Bernie wants what we have.
someone is inside the americans .....elbow deep
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Go on...explain to me how a country the size of Australia , matching the US in size , and having about 7% the population still gets better mobile phone deals.....
What is this reality?? As much as I love vague replies that mean nothing, this time I'm intrigued....
Please explain to us all how the world works....
Funny thing is: Americans seem to loathe "socialist Europe" and ridicule our high taxes. Yet, when one starts to do the math, nothing is actually cheaper or better in the US.
The "free market" seems to fail to deliver the liberal promise: more competition equals better and cheaper.
But no...
The "free market" seems to fail to deliver the liberal promise: more competition equals better and cheaper.
But no...
I can't believe the price of these US plans!
In my country, we get unlimited 5G data and a gigabit fibre-optic line for less than 50 of your american cents every month, and this includes free lunches and a professional massage every Thursday at your own home or office.
Americans, you're all being ripped off. Hard!
In my country, we get unlimited 5G data and a gigabit fibre-optic line for less than 50 of your american cents every month, and this includes free lunches and a professional massage every Thursday at your own home or office.
Americans, you're all being ripped off. Hard!
This is what our capitalist country gets us:
- Banks that are too big to fail.
- Banks and merchants that couldn't implement EMV and contactless like the rest of the world.
- High cellular phone rates, and slow data.
- Ridiculousness in the utilities sector (i.e: slow data and greedy electrical companies).
- Severe greed with companies who answer to investors (i.e: Apple).
- Student loan debt up the wazoo when it's mostly mediocre education anyways.
- A government that doesn't give legal vacation parameters for businesses to follow.
- A government that lets businesses store tons of money overseas.
- A government that doesn't give sufficient PAID maternity leave.
- A tax system that is too complex to understand, so we have to pay a tax professional to do them.
- A mediocre health care system that bankrupts people, with sky high insurance costs.
- An organized government that allows for the growth of poor ghettos, which causes other problems.
- A majority of people who have an inflated opinion about the U.S because they're delusional.
While I do understand that the US has a larger area to cover, remember that many networks in Europe allow you to take your plan across the entire continent. So we're talking 742 million people over a 10.8 million km2 area versus 319 million people over 9.8 million km2.
So when you consider that a person in the UK can pay £30 a month for unlimited 4G data AND take it over Europe (or at least pay a relatively small amount to access this) then you can see how the US is so expensive.
I know there are a lot of variables to this but you're still being screwed. Networks should work together to provide great service and connections - it benefits the consumer and it doesn't stifle competition, we have plenty of networks to choose from here.
[doublepost=1467883643][/doublepost]Oh and I know people bang on about the US having lower taxes, which I know you do, but it's not radically lower. Remember that in the UK, the first $14,000 anyone earns is not taxed AT ALL. Not even a bit.
Even then from that amount up to $56,000 is 20%. In many cases people are paying 25% federal tax in the US where in the UK they would be paying 20%.
It's not perfect but by God you'd think on here that Europeans are paying 99% of their salary to the government. We're really, really, REALLY not.
So when you consider that a person in the UK can pay £30 a month for unlimited 4G data AND take it over Europe (or at least pay a relatively small amount to access this) then you can see how the US is so expensive.
I know there are a lot of variables to this but you're still being screwed. Networks should work together to provide great service and connections - it benefits the consumer and it doesn't stifle competition, we have plenty of networks to choose from here.
[doublepost=1467883643][/doublepost]Oh and I know people bang on about the US having lower taxes, which I know you do, but it's not radically lower. Remember that in the UK, the first $14,000 anyone earns is not taxed AT ALL. Not even a bit.
Even then from that amount up to $56,000 is 20%. In many cases people are paying 25% federal tax in the US where in the UK they would be paying 20%.
It's not perfect but by God you'd think on here that Europeans are paying 99% of their salary to the government. We're really, really, REALLY not.
Wait wait wait...
You guys are paying 15 buckaroos for each GB over the limit?
Holy Frijole....
I though boost meant stealing a car, not money directly.
Eh, I guess it's the ol' live and learn...
You guys are paying 15 buckaroos for each GB over the limit?
Holy Frijole....
I though boost meant stealing a car, not money directly.
Eh, I guess it's the ol' live and learn...
I'm not very happy about the prices. You have to wonder why T-Mobile is doing so well. VZW is basically begging people to leave with these price increases.
I was thinking of switching over to VZW when my contract ends this fall, but I'm seriously re-thinking it.
I was thinking of switching over to VZW when my contract ends this fall, but I'm seriously re-thinking it.
Actually we do not. In so called Schengen Zone (EU + Switzerland + Norway) we can travel without any border control. In rare cases that the controls are re-introduced, ID is sufficient. So you can drive from Portugal to Estonia or Finland without even seing border officers. The exception is (of course) UK, where all people are checked upon arrival, but ID is enough to cross the border.
True. I also pay $22.50 per month for 2.5GB data, unlimited talk and text, and international roaming. I've travelled all over the U.S. and only have problems with connectivity when away from cities with a substantial population.
To be fair, Romania's per capita is only $8,900/yr compared to say $41,000/yr for Germany or $81,000/yr in Switzerland. I'm in Europe and I get 10 Mbit/s fiber optic for the equivalent of $30/mo no datacaps, and it is much cheaper than most carriers here. The typical price is around $40-$50/mo for 10 Mbit/s symmetric. 1 Gbit/s is $140/month in Switzerland for example, so more than 10x as expensive as Romania, but this is roughly equivalent in terms of effective cost since salaries are 8-10x higher for equivalent jobs ( https://www.swisscom.ch/en/residential/internet/offers.html ).
Those cell data prices are insane though. I pay $50/mo for unlimited data which includes 3GB/yr European roaming. Can't wait for European roaming fees to disappear next June though! Many years ago when I lived in the US I recall having unlimited 3G for like $60/mo, so these Verizon prices seem particularly awful even for the US.
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Why do you guys in Europe keep "bragging" about your comparatively cheap data but then scream in outrage about how expensive Apple products are there compared to the U.S.?
The reality is though that a great deal of consumers in the U.S. do not pay these prices. Either they get a discount through work -- or even paid 100%, they are on a family plan which reduces per phone use cost, they are on a "grandfathered" plan at much lower rate, or they go with a less expensive pre-paid plan.
So please, enough with the "our prices in Europe are sooooo much cheaper, nah, nah, nah." It's a silly and pointless whatever it is unless you truly do not understand why local markets are local, why, say, a house in the country may be a lot less expensive than 5 miles outside a major city center.
You don't, but I do. I know people who, due to lack of healthcare, have gone to the Caribbean and Central American. Might be risky, but they can't afford to pay 10X more than they have. As far as the comment on efficiency, a better question would be towers per person in the country. If Denmark, say, has 4,000,000 towers, that means the US would need 225,000,000 for the same profits. Which sounds like a lot of money. Until you look over revenues...
I wonder if ATT is going to do anything about this prices. Let's see how this stocks up against ATT:
New Verizon plans including 1 smart phone line are as follow:
- S: 2GB - $55
- M: 4GB - $70
- L: 8GB - $90
- XL: 16GB - $110
- XXL: 24GB - $130
Current ATT plans including 1 smart phone line:
300MB - $45
2GB - $55
5GB - $75
15GB - $115
20GB - $155
25GB - $190
Wow, so only 2 GB plan is in line with Verizon. Also 5GB plan is a decent value at $75 compared to either 4GB for $70 or 8GB for $90 on the Verizon side. Everything else is way over priced.
I am guessing ATT will react soon. I can see them bring something in between 5GB and 15GB as there is way to much of a gap - perhaps 10GB plan?
I am not sure if ATT usually undercuts Verizon here and there, but I would like to see 10GB plan for $85-90 and then 15GB to drop to $100-105.
Time will tell i guess
New Verizon plans including 1 smart phone line are as follow:
- S: 2GB - $55
- M: 4GB - $70
- L: 8GB - $90
- XL: 16GB - $110
- XXL: 24GB - $130
Current ATT plans including 1 smart phone line:
300MB - $45
2GB - $55
5GB - $75
15GB - $115
20GB - $155
25GB - $190
Wow, so only 2 GB plan is in line with Verizon. Also 5GB plan is a decent value at $75 compared to either 4GB for $70 or 8GB for $90 on the Verizon side. Everything else is way over priced.
I am guessing ATT will react soon. I can see them bring something in between 5GB and 15GB as there is way to much of a gap - perhaps 10GB plan?
I am not sure if ATT usually undercuts Verizon here and there, but I would like to see 10GB plan for $85-90 and then 15GB to drop to $100-105.
Time will tell i guess