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Everyone says apple service is the best but I deal extensively with apple and IBM (yeah I know they don't make them anymore lenovo does) and I must say IBM has blown apple completely out of the water in regards to service. You only get good service with apple if you buy the applecare protection plan. Without it they treat you like crap. IBM gives you the same respect whether your computer has a 1yr warranty or a 3 yr. I have also a T42p and it is the best machine out there, with the exception that it runs XP but that could change with the intel version of OS X. YEAH!
 
Hmm... never really had serious problems with any of my Apples. Now my Suns... those were some ****ing bitches...

I try to always have at least three computers in the house that can be worked on at any given time.
 
I had 4 bad powermacs in a row this summer and a few weeks ago received a 15" powerbook just like yours (BTO and all) and it had some issues that required a replacement. The replacement was also bad and I just had them issue me a refund. They were very nice about it but it was still a pain. I am now using a 15" powerbook that has black in the bottom two corners of the screen and a darker upper left corner than upper right... I think I may just to with a 12" and call it quits for awhile lol. Best of luck to you and, believe me, I feel your pain.
 
I can't believe that there are people who have had to deal with 3 or 4 bad new machines in a row...I mean I believe them, but I can't believe their bad fortune...heck I buy used Macs off EBay and have never had problems.

I hope things work out for OP, and he is happy with a working PowerBook at one point. I think after the second dead PB, I would have absolutely demanded a new replacement via overnight shipping, and not gotten off the phone until I did (polite or not.) I mean at that point the story was bad but not absolutely horrible, considering that the original rep probably meant for the replacement to be sent out sooner.

I understand that you had a custom-built machine, but personally I would've just taken whatever stock machine is closest, and add later (of course you can't add VRAM later.) If they had actually had the balls to refuse overnighting me a replacement, that might have been enough for me to swear off Apple too.

I don't think actually asking for free stuff will really get you much (with any company.) I don't blame you for asking, but it's like first you tell them this is really important because it's for your work and travel, and then say "well if you give me an iPod I'll feel better..."

I think the main issue is how they could've improved your service during the whole ordeal, and not whether they give you free stuff at the end. I've gone through similar situations with other companies, and make-up type gifts are usually not very substantial.
 
Since when does OS X have a "Safe Mode"? I smell a troll. Not only that, but the Tiger kernel panic window is black, is it not, rather than the white he showed?
 
StealthRider said:
Since when does OS X have a "Safe Mode"? I smell a troll. Not only that, but the Tiger kernel panic window is black, is it not, rather than the white he showed?
Since OS X v 10.2, it is the OS X equivalent of OS 9s booting with the extensions off.

Matter of fact, it's the same key to activate. Hold shift key after bong on boot-up.

Does a couple of other things besides only running the base Apple kernal extensions, like performing a directory check and disabling all fonts but the System fonts in 10.4
 
Wow, this thread is depressing. I am waiting for a Powerbook 15" 1.67ghz/1gb/100gb/128mb vram to arrive that I ordered on the 23rd. I was pretty excited about getting it since I have never owned a laptop and am a longtime PC guy. Now I am starting to think that I made a huge mistake by orderinging a mac and I don't even have one yet. I don't think I can cancel or return it since it is a custom order using the educational discount - at least according to Apple's web site about custom returns - since it has shipped already. BTW, I wasn't too happy reading about that no-return policy in the fine print after the order was in production. I'm not sure that it is even legal.

Is there anyone that has ordered a Powerbook 15" 1.67ghz from Apple and not had any problems? If so, I could use some cheering up...
 
Og Oggilby said:
Wow, this thread is depressing. I am waiting for a Powerbook 15" 1.67ghz/1gb/100gb/128mb vram to arrive that I ordered on the 23rd. I was pretty excited about getting it since I have never owned a laptop and am a longtime PC guy. Now I am starting to think that I made a huge mistake by orderinging a mac and I don't even have one yet. I don't think I can cancel or return it since it is a custom order using the educational discount - at least according to Apple's web site about custom returns - since it has shipped already. BTW, I wasn't too happy reading about that no-return policy in the fine print after the order was in production. I'm not sure that it is even legal.

Is there anyone that has ordered a Powerbook 15" 1.67ghz from Apple and not had any problems? If so, I could use some cheering up...

Hey Og! Do I get any extra points for being probably the only person around here to know the source of your screen name?

Made my day. :D
 
StealthRider said:
Since when does OS X have a "Safe Mode"? I smell a troll. Not only that, but the Tiger kernel panic window is black, is it not, rather than the white he showed?

You can get kernel panics? I thought those were only in museums...

:p ;)
 
StealthRider said:
Since when does OS X have a "Safe Mode"? I smell a troll. Not only that, but the Tiger kernel panic window is black, is it not, rather than the white he showed?

Well then I smell an even bigger troll because that looks like a kernel panic message and OS X does have a "safe mode".
 
MacTruck said:
Everyone says apple service is the best but I deal extensively with apple and IBM (yeah I know they don't make them anymore lenovo does) and I must say IBM has blown apple completely out of the water in regards to service. You only get good service with apple if you buy the applecare protection plan. Without it they treat you like crap. IBM gives you the same respect whether your computer has a 1yr warranty or a 3 yr. I have also a T42p and it is the best machine out there, with the exception that it runs XP but that could change with the intel version of OS X. YEAH!

Some people have better luck than others with IBM's service. I've been associated with IBM from the midrange machines on down to their small UNIX workstations and PCs.

The last time I worked with IBM on a PC problem, they had sent out a new $6000 (the big boss') machine with the wrong manual as well as the software modem being at the wrong level for the DSP. It took 5 support people/calls to finally realise the problem, which initially was that the modem wouldn't dial because it wouldn't open the phone line.
 
Og Oggilby said:
Wow, this thread is depressing. I am waiting for a Powerbook 15" 1.67ghz/1gb/100gb/128mb vram to arrive that I ordered on the 23rd. I was pretty excited about getting it since I have never owned a laptop and am a longtime PC guy. Now I am starting to think that I made a huge mistake by orderinging a mac and I don't even have one yet. I don't think I can cancel or return it since it is a custom order using the educational discount - at least according to Apple's web site about custom returns - since it has shipped already. BTW, I wasn't too happy reading about that no-return policy in the fine print after the order was in production. I'm not sure that it is even legal.

Is there anyone that has ordered a Powerbook 15" 1.67ghz from Apple and not had any problems? If so, I could use some cheering up...

I had a 1.67 powerbook just like the one you ordered and when it came there were problems with the screen. The replacement had problems too and now the 15" I have been using is going back becuase of an increasing screen brightness issue and marks on the right side of the screen that looks like someone tried to pry the plastic around the edge off for some reason. I too am getting very frustrated with this.

I thought maybe it was just the powermacs that sucked for me (4 bad in a row) but the powerbooks don't seem to be much better. The only macs I have used that are any good are the iBooks but unfortunately without hardware screen spanning, they are not much use to me at this point due to the work I am now being asked to do. For this reason, I too am considering going back to PC..... I just wish I could find one I like the look of........I would get a thinkpad T43 but I had one stolen from me over a year ago and I think it would just bring back bad memories. I have a 12" replacement on the way and it is due in Monday and if it has issues I'm calling it quits... but that is just me. Others have had great experiences with apple. Maybe some of us are just not meant to use apple and others are lol. Best of luck to you!
 
The fact is, when you buy any product online you are taking delivery sight unseen. Probably 90% of all Apple's shipments arrive in perfect working order. However when I bought my iBook, I knew I would only buy it from an Apple dealer. I had to drive an hour each way to do it, but they were more than willing to let it "cook" on their test bench for 24-hours before I took delivery. And it has worked flawlessly since day one.

You have just pin-pointed the very best reason to step outside and visit a real, honest-to-goodness Bricks-and-Mortar computer store when you're going to be dropping $3,000+. Mail order is fine for Christmas fruitcakes and kitchen utensils. Computers are a little more complicated.
 
eRondeau said:
You have just pin-pointed the very best reason to step outside and visit a real, honest-to-goodness Bricks-and-Mortar computer store when you're going to be dropping $3,000+. Mail order is fine for Christmas fruitcakes and kitchen utensils. Computers are a little more complicated.

Amen to that :)
 
eRondeau said:
You have just pin-pointed the very best reason to step outside and visit a real, honest-to-goodness Bricks-and-Mortar computer store when you're going to be dropping $3,000+. Mail order is fine for Christmas fruitcakes and kitchen utensils. Computers are a little more complicated.


Yep. I will never buy a powerbook online. Go to applestore, buy it, open it there and play with it. If there are any problems at all they will box it up for you and go in the back and get you another one. Bought 2 powerbooks and did that with both of them and had to switch both of them out.
 
MacTruck said:
Yep. I will never buy a powerbook online. Go to applestore, buy it, open it there and play with it. If there are any problems at all they will box it up for you and go in the back and get you another one. Bought 2 powerbooks and did that with both of them and had to switch both of them out.

I see from your sig that you have a BTO 15" right now. Did you have an arrangement with the store to have them send it there so you could check it out first? Just curious. Thanks
 
If you work IT then I'm sure you have dealt with hundreds of computers. You've never seen a machine DOA???? Or much rather you are that upset about it??? Sheesh, go back to PC's , and find something to really bitch about.
 
GimmeSlack12 said:
If you work IT then I'm sure you have dealt with hundreds of computers. You've never seen a machine DOA???? Or much rather you are that upset about it??? Sheesh, go back to PC's , and find something to really bitch about.

Actually, having worked as a service technician for 2 years, I can tell you that I have never seen a failure rate on PCs like I have seen on mac. Also, I have owned many PCs in the past and not one of them was DOA. Apple's quality control is horrible.... period. If you try to say that it isn't then you are just turning an ignorant eye to the situation.
 
Chrispy said:
I see from your sig that you have a BTO 15" right now. Did you have an arrangement with the store to have them send it there so you could check it out first? Just curious. Thanks


Its not a BTO. Apple sells them configured like this. Its called the 15" max or something lame like that. Originally had the $2299 version but swapped it for the fully loaded max one and paid the difference.
 
MacTruck said:
Its not a BTO. Apple sells them configured like this. Its called the 15" max or something lame like that. Originally had the $2299 version but swapped it for the fully loaded max one and paid the difference.

No kidding! I called the Apple store in Indianapolis when I bought mine over the summer and they described that max model. They said the only upgrades to it were the ram and the HD up to 100GB. I actually directly asked about the 128VRAM and they said they never sell them in a store with 128. Are you sure your unit has 128VRAM? If so then I was misinformed by the apple store folk :mad:
 
Chrispy said:
No kidding! I called the Apple store in Indianapolis when I bought mine over the summer and they described that max model. They said the only upgrades to it were the ram and the HD up to 100GB. I actually directly asked about the 128VRAM and they said they never sell them in a store with 128. Are you sure your unit has 128VRAM? If so then I was misinformed by the apple store folk :mad:


Yeah, you were misinformed. It definately has the 128mb vram.
 
MacTruck said:
Yeah, you were misinformed. It definately has the 128mb vram.

Well now if that don't just bake my noodle!!! Stupid employees... and you can't just peg this one on Apple either. After working at Best Buy for awhile I can attest to the fact they will hire ANYONE and put them in computers. Sad... so sad!
 
Chrispy said:
Well now if that don't just bake my noodle!!! Stupid employees... and you can't just peg this one on Apple either. After working at Best Buy for awhile I can attest to the fact they will hire ANYONE and put them in computers. Sad... so sad!


Its amazing to me people that sell stuff and know nothing about them. Goes for cars, computers etc.
 
A noob comes on - bashes Apple and suddenly we become an 'Lets bash a Mac site' - coooool.

I think I'll get a PC now because my Mac is obviously crap as I'd suspected all along. And I want a free iPod, even though I already have one.
 
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