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ditching mac

as reading the first post the op made, i can understand your situation with being really upset. but do you actually remember the Windows world and are you prepared to even go back to that ungodly horror? as others have mentioned, call apple and speak kindly and explain in detail what has happened, but don't make comments like "well i'm just going back to Windows!", as this will just make them care less in helping you. being kind and explaining the problems you are having will definately make sincerity work for you...any businesses i've called that gave me back products/service have given me only good support because i was kind and wanting to work this out. and, don't expect to get free stuff because you had a bad product, this is just silly.

commenting on the letter you wrote to them, that was just unexcusable. do you really expect them to care? especially now? companies are companies, and there to make money...not to care whether you are mad and in anger decide to use another product when you comments to them are irrational. again, talking with a manager of the sales department will most certainly get you what you was orginally looking for, decent service and support--just as long as it isn't in rage.

i'm a technician, and have had a few disappointed customers. the ones that act in rage and yell at me or make threats, i basically tell them find someone else and i really don't care if they didn't like my service. but for the ones that have been kind and told me something was still wrong with their computers, i told them to bring it back, free of charge, and it'll be handled promptly, and i appoligize for the inconvience...and in that way, i still have their business and they were happy as well. in this example, you should see why people here are telling you to speak kindly...it's gets you farther ahead with what you are needing, and in the end can make you feel like a better person (in my belief anyways).
 
eRondeau said:
The fact is, when you buy any product online you are taking delivery sight unseen. Probably 90% of all Apple's shipments arrive in perfect working order. However when I bought my iBook, I knew I would only buy it from an Apple dealer. I had to drive an hour each way to do it, but they were more than willing to let it "cook" on their test bench for 24-hours before I took delivery. And it has worked flawlessly since day one.

You have just pin-pointed the very best reason to step outside and visit a real, honest-to-goodness Bricks-and-Mortar computer store when you're going to be dropping $3,000+. Mail order is fine for Christmas fruitcakes and kitchen utensils. Computers are a little more complicated.

So the answer to my question "Is there anyone that has ordered a Powerbook 15" 1.67ghz from Apple and not had any problems?" is that I shouldn't buy from Apple online. Or is it that I have a 90% chance of getting one that works when it arrives. That is amazing. I have purchased 5 home PC's in the last 15 years online and 3 more for work (also PC's) and I have had no problems with any of them. Most were workstation class systems that you can't buy at your local Bricks-and-Mortar computer store. The Powerbook I just ordered wasn't available at my local Apple store - unless I bought the max version and tossed the ram (2x512mb) out so that I could put 2gb in.
:eek:
 
IJ Reilly said:
Hey Og! Do I get any extra points for being probably the only person around here to know the source of your screen name?

Made my day. :D

15 points for you IJ ;)

"Just looking for loopholes." - WC Fields, reading the Bible on his deathbed.
 
Og Oggilby said:
The Powerbook I just ordered wasn't available at my local Apple store - unless I bought the max version and tossed the ram (2x512mb) out so that I could put 2gb in.
:eek:

If you upgrade the RAM right when you buy it, Apple gives you credit for the RAM that's in the machine that they take out so it's the same price as it is online BTO....
 
yeah sometimes to me it seems as though with Apple computers, it takes the software problems of Windows machines and replaces it with hardware problems. nevertheless i would say buy AppleCare and use it. when i have had problems i have had them resolved within a week, or even like 3 or 4 days, which is actually pretty amazing. only now am i having to think about getting a replacement, and as long as i've had my machine, it might mean getting quite an upgrade. when it comes down to it, i can't really complain.

to me the difference between the annoyances of computing on a Mac and on a PC is that on a Mac you might experience an inconvenience that lasts a week and then is fine. But on a PC, every day you're almost guaranteed hassles in just normal stuff, and although they can be avoided now-a-days, the steps to do so are a pain in themselves.

i recently just helped my little sister get her computer situated on her college network. she has a Dell which i don't blame her for getting after witnessing some of the hardware problems that i've had. while i can handle the whole service and support process, i don't think she should have to, and campus computer technicians would be able to service a Dell much more readily than an Apple. but what struck me was all the crap i had to do to get this thing up and running. 2 different kinds of spyware programs, virus protection that seemed to be made up of 3 different apps, a whole slew of networking things. while our networks are different, it is still remarkably less of a hassle to get my powerbook hooked up and running, and while there may be calls for me to get a little more technical and into my computer, it's relatively easy to figure out where you need to go and what you need to do. (i'm thinking of that network setup utility thing - really handy).

so it might be something of a risk to go for an Apple, but really any of the pain you might experience is temporary. the rest of the time it works so well i don't really think anything of it. computing almost feels natural on a Mac.
 
Og Oggilby said:
15 points for you IJ ;)

"Just looking for loopholes." - WC Fields, reading the Bible on his deathbed.

Only 15? Suffering sciatica!

I register all of my software to Mahatma Kane Jeeves.
 
iWillard said:
If you upgrade the RAM right when you buy it, Apple gives you credit for the RAM that's in the machine that they take out so it's the same price as it is online BTO....

Apparently the 2 people I spoke to at the Apple store didn't know that. Had they mentioned the credit, I would have purchased my Powerbook at the Apple store. To be fair the store has only been open for 2-3 weeks so they are still in learning mode.
 
OK now I'm pissed! I have had iMovie crash on me twice today out of nowhere. I was trying to save it after the first time it crashed and THAT made it crash... grrr!!!!!
 
Chrispy said:
OK now I'm pissed! I have had iMovie crash on me twice today out of nowhere. I was trying to save it after the first time it crashed and THAT made it crash... grrr!!!!!

What comp are you on, if your ibook is sold and the pb is on its way?
 
I've never experienced or personally heard of any hardware problems on any Mac.

Let's go through what my PowerBook has been through...

Keyboard : Milk
Hard Drive : Drop
Combo Drive : Warped Disc, wouldn't eject, either it, or I wrecked the eject mechanism, so now I have to help it, with a paper clip. It, however, worked fine before I put that disc in there. :mad:

I've got a friend who's got an eMac. It was an upgrade from her Bondi Blue iMac. They also have a 2nd gen iMac in the house. No problems out of any of them.

Any failure on my PowerBook has all been my fault. :)

I hope some good comes out of the situation, OP!
 
MacTruck said:
Its amazing to me people that sell stuff and know nothing about them. Goes for cars, computers etc.

I've had a guy tell me, while looking at the iBook at Best Buy, that it was totally virus-free computer. Then he said that there are a lot of virus programs for the Mac, like Norton, Virex, etc. I asked him why I needed virus protection. He said, "Well, being virus-free, it is a major target for virus writers."

:eek:
 
MacVM said:
What comp are you on, if your ibook is sold and the pb is on its way?

I'm still using the 15" that goes back in the mail tomorrow to amazon. It works if it is hooked to an external just fine so it is holding me over. Amazon was nice enough to ship the replacement and let me wait to send back the old unit. However, if they don't see Mr. 15" in 30 days then I get charged for my replacement too haha. I think the crashing may be related to the lack of ram... i'm still at 512 on this powerbook as I never bothered to add my 1 gig stick to it.
 
Mechcozmo said:
I've had a guy tell me, while looking at the iBook at Best Buy, that it was totally virus-free computer. Then he said that there are a lot of virus programs for the Mac, like Norton, Virex, etc. I asked him why I needed virus protection. He said, "Well, being virus-free, it is a major target for virus writers."

:eek:




HA HA HA. Had almost the same exact conversation at the apple store when I got my kids Mac mini. He boasted about the mac minis lack of viruses and then proceded to sell me antivirus software. I said what you said and he said the same thing as your guy. Thats funny.

Antivirus software causes more problems than if fixes. I never use it on any mac.
 
Chrispy said:
Actually, having worked as a service technician for 2 years, I can tell you that I have never seen a failure rate on PCs like I have seen on mac. Also, I have owned many PCs in the past and not one of them was DOA. Apple's quality control is horrible.... period. If you try to say that it isn't then you are just turning an ignorant eye to the situation.

I do believe you, but in the same sense, I've never seen very few DOA Macs (over 10 years of Mac experience). I guess all I can is you have bad luck with Macs, which no one can help. Sorry.
 
GimmeSlack12 said:
I do believe you, but in the same sense, I've never seen very few DOA Macs (over 10 years of Mac experience). I guess all I can is you have bad luck with Macs, which no one can help. Sorry.


I sold macs and Dells back in 1995 in college and the Dells failure rate was 1 in 3. The macs failure rate was 1 in 15. That was in 1995. Today I think it has turned around. I believe the failure rate for computers now is even across the board with ofcourse emachines taking a huge lead in horrible hardware. All these machines are made overseas now, probably by the same manufacturer.
 
Got my Powerbook last night. I played with it for a couple hours and liked it a lot! I'm a MAC/OSX newbie and it's also my first notebook.

The good:
Nice packaging. Real nice.
Looks great. Not at all PC like, very clean and uncluttered.
Everything works so far as I can tell.

The bad:
The notebook doesn't sit flat (case warped slightly?). I checked it on multiple surfaces (including a glass table). It's not real bad but it is annoying considering what the thing cost. I don't notice it when typing, etc.
One stuck pixel in the middle of the screen.

BTW, it gets hot on the bottom in the rear, but not as hot as I was expecting from reading forum messages thought I wasn't stressing it out too much. The pad and palm rests didn't get hot at all while I was playing with it.

Will the case flatten out from the heat? I read a message that someone had a stuck pixel that started working after a few days use. Is that true, or is a bad pixel always a bad pixel? I'm not sure if I should call Apple Care on these things or not.

Any suggestions? Thanks... :confused:
 
Og Oggilby said:
Apparently the 2 people I spoke to at the Apple store didn't know that. Had they mentioned the credit, I would have purchased my Powerbook at the Apple store. To be fair the store has only been open for 2-3 weeks so they are still in learning mode.

The Apple bloke I spoke to in the London store didnt seem to know this. There are alot of dunces in that shop, I'm sad to say.
 
geese said:
The Apple bloke I spoke to in the London store didnt seem to know this. There are alot of dunces in that shop, I'm sad to say.
Harsh beans man, you can't expect everyone in the store to know about everything. If I was working there I could tell you a lot about Rev. B 12" Powerbooks, PowerMac G5's... iPods... That's about it really... I'm sure i'd be trained to a certain degree but to know EVERYTHING inside out... i dunno

Anyway, back on topic - I think Apple's build quality is shipping. The first machine I had was an iBook G3, built in Taiwan. Logic board problem. Infact, if you check this lovely thread:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/144010/

you'll notice 100% of my machines have needed servicing!

Ahhh well
 
From Consumer reports:

Based on more than 69,000 desktop (73,000 laptop) computers purchased new from 2000 to 2004. Data were standardized to eliminate differences linked to age and use.

Repairs and serious problems:

Desktops:

* Apple: 12%
* Sony: 16%
* Dell: 17%
* eMachines: 19%
* IBM: 20%
* HP: 21%
* Compaq: 21%
* Gateway: 24%

Laptops:

* Toshiba: 16%
* Apple: 16%
* IBM: 17%
* Sony: 17%
* Dell: 17%
* HP: 19%
* Gateway: 21%
* Compaq: 21%

And from a new survey from the University of Michigan:
Apple retained its top ranking with an 81% satisfaction rate, flat with 2004 and above the PC-group average of 74%. Apple's rating has been on the upswing since 2002, the first year it rolled out its flat-panel iMac desktop PC and one year after it introduced its first iPod.

Dell's rating slipped to 74% this year from 79% in 2004. That level marked the lowest rating for Dell since 1998

Hewlett-Packard-branded products received a 73% rating, up from 71% in 2004, and Compaq-branded products from H-P dropped to a 67% rating from 69% in 2004. In 2000, two years before H-P bought Compaq, Compaq's rating was 71%.

Gateway's rating was 72%, down from 74% last year.

This is the 10th year of the survey, with 8,100 people participating in the most recent PC survey. All of the data were collected during the second quarter.

So for all the people suggesting that things are better on the wintel side of the fence -- um you are wrong, very very wrong. As one poster noted, on the wintel side of things its a race to the bottom in terms of quality and service.

That said, some people have bad luck. Apple isn't at 100% satisfaction or 0% failure rate, and it always seems that when you have one problem you are more likely to have more. The best way to handle this is to simply maintain a respectful demeanor when dealing with customer service (true of any company). As others have noted, this problem was probably made significantly worse by the poor attitude of the thread starter.
 
Og Oggilby said:
Got my Powerbook last night. I played with it for a couple hours and liked it a lot! I'm a MAC/OSX newbie and it's also my first notebook.

The good:
Nice packaging. Real nice.
Looks great. Not at all PC like, very clean and uncluttered.
Everything works so far as I can tell.

The bad:
The notebook doesn't sit flat (case warped slightly?). I checked it on multiple surfaces (including a glass table). It's not real bad but it is annoying considering what the thing cost. I don't notice it when typing, etc.
One stuck pixel in the middle of the screen.

BTW, it gets hot on the bottom in the rear, but not as hot as I was expecting from reading forum messages thought I wasn't stressing it out too much. The pad and palm rests didn't get hot at all while I was playing with it.

Will the case flatten out from the heat? I read a message that someone had a stuck pixel that started working after a few days use. Is that true, or is a bad pixel always a bad pixel? I'm not sure if I should call Apple Care on these things or not.

Any suggestions? Thanks... :confused:


exchange it. the pixel would drive me crazy. one of the rubber feet on the bottom of the computer might be missing causing it to sit uneven, if not you got a perfect reason to exchange it. it should be perfect. mine is.
 
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