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My grandfather has an eMac that he bought since it had an audio in and I remember going to his house, asking where it was since his iBook was in it's place, and him saying that the logic board had problems. I think that he lucked out and that it happened during the warranty.

Granted, I'm a bit doubtful about anything from Apple right now considering that my iBook had a logic board failure within two months of purchase.
 
I posted the original links to the pictures at Macintouch.
The page2 link currently posted in the news article is broken. You should link to:

http://www.sells.com/eBay/eMac/1.JPG
http://www.sells.com/eBay/eMac/2.JPG
http://www.sells.com/eBay/eMac/3.JPG
http://www.sells.com/eBay/eMac/4.JPG
http://www.sells.com/eBay/eMac/5.JPG
http://www.sells.com/eBay/eMac/6.JPG
http://www.sells.com/eBay/eMac/7.JPG

I updated some of the picture links with better pics (new camera!) of the most recent failure/victim.

I have been emailing my Apple account executive regarding this issue... she got someone in hardware engineering involved, but Apple has been a black hole about this issue - data goes in, but no news/information comes out. So far, 4 out of 18 machines have experienced this problem, though I would expect to find more defective machines if we actually disassembled them...

--Robert
 
RobertHammen said:
I posted the original links to the pictures at Macintouch.
The page2 link currently posted in the news article is broken. You should link to:

http://www.sells.com/eBay/eMac/1.JPG
http://www.sells.com/eBay/eMac/2.JPG
http://www.sells.com/eBay/eMac/3.JPG
http://www.sells.com/eBay/eMac/4.JPG
http://www.sells.com/eBay/eMac/5.JPG
http://www.sells.com/eBay/eMac/6.JPG
http://www.sells.com/eBay/eMac/7.JPG

I updated some of the picture links with better pics (new camera!) of the most recent failure/victim.

I have been emailing my Apple account executive regarding this issue... she got someone in hardware engineering involved, but Apple has been a black hole about this issue - data goes in, but no news/information comes out. So far, 4 out of 18 machines have experienced this problem, though I would expect to find more defective machines if we actually disassembled them...

--Robert

Link doesn't appear to be broken in the story. It goes to jpg #6 that you posted, but thanks for posting the other ones in the forums. Didn't want to do too much direct linking for the sake of your bandwidth. I was going to mirror them here, but the images are too big to submit to our forums as an attachment, which is how we typically mirror stuff (and I was on a PC, so I didn't have Preview to rescale the image).
 
I've got an eMac from the summer of '04 (August.)

It appears to be within the time frame of the reported problems, but I haven't experienced any yet. Knock on wood.

I do have Applecare though and activated it right before my one year warrenty ran out.

If I do encounter any issues, do you guys think that Applecare will fix it without cost?
 
job said:
I've got an eMac from the summer of '04 (August.)

It appears to be within the time frame of the reported problems, but I haven't experienced any yet. Knock on wood.

I do have Applecare though and activated it right before my one year warrenty ran out.

If I do encounter any issues, do you guys think that Applecare will fix it without cost?
Hi,
If you bought applecare I think that apple will fix it (if you have the problem) for free.(or they should)
 
Only Page 2 worthy?

This should be Page 1 news. It's proven fact, not a rumor and wrthy of people's attention. I can't say anything about Apple's responsibility in this situation that hasn't already been said.

Maybe the right email or website will reach Steve and he'll crack down on the jack-a-- who is making the decision to sweep this under the rug.

Here's hoping.
 
It's not just the eMac's that have Video issues...

Apple seem to have problems when it comes to video cards. My 17" 1.67 Powerbook suddenly ran into problems several weeks ago.

Whilst working in Photoshop, suddenly a number of vertical lines appeared on the screen. These lines did not disappear, even after reboot. In fact, they are very much apparent throughout the boot process, and when I boot into any version of Linux. So I assumed that this was a serious hardware problem. I checked out the discussion boards on Apple.com and sure enough a huge bunch of other people had the same problem.

So a hardware problem, these things happen. Particularly when there's a lot of heat involved. And as all PB owners know, there's a heck of a lot of heat.

However, what has really blown my mind is just how BAD Apple have been in dealing with the problem. I have AppleCare. And I have ProCare, since I use the machine for my business. I would have expected the problem to be fixed within a week.

Yet, it has taken me 7 weeks to get the problem acknowledged by the Apple folks in the UK. I'm now waiting for replacement parts, before they replace the Screen Unit. Fair enough.

Except a cursory inspection of Apple's own discussion board shows that when this problem occurs it's not actually the Screen that has failed. The logic board needs replacing instead. But Apple staff are not allowed to comment on Discussion Board items. So I have to get the screen replaced, and then get the logic board replaced later. But no, they can't order both at once. So that'll be another week sir.

Because the problem doesn't actually affect my ability to work, I'm not that bothered. However, Apple should be worried about crucifying their brand. At work we laugh daily about Apple's innability to fix this fairly simple problem. We've even placed bets on how much longer it'll take.

People laughing at Apple cannot be a good thing. There is no shortage of other people prepared to come forward with sob-stories about other mac issues or iPod deaths that have gone unresolved.

I found the news about Dell vs Apple on the markets amusing. I own a Dell laptop too. It suffered a major hard drive failure two weeks ago. The next day; a nice man from Dell arrived with a new laptop (just in case) and a new drive. Perfect. What's more, the price of the laptop, including care, was identical.

I can't help but feel this is a case of "Honey, I blew up the brand!". When will Apple admit that it makes mistakes when it comes to hardware design?
 
swingerofbirch said:
Does Apple have spotty quality worse than other PC makers, or do we just bring it to the light cos we have a community?
Apple's hardware reliability stats and tech support effectiveness stats top the industry. But people post in forums when they have a problem, not to say "my eMac's screen is still fine." So any product's online community will make you think problems are far more common than reality.

But Apple being the best of the industry only means they are the best of a BAD industry, and whether your problem is rare or not, you still need it fixed.

Oh, and my eMac's screen is still fine :)
 
Why is this on page2, isn't this page for news rumors not complaints? Surely the hardware section of the forums is better for this thread.
 
Video Artifacts

I received mine in August 04. There was actually quite a delay in delivery.
 
I hope the newer 1.42GHz models aren't affected. :( If anything happens to my cousin's eMac, I'm going to hear it...

but then again... I've got a problem free W8611 MBP.... and a problem free 12" PB, and 2 problem free 20GB 4.5G iPods....

:prays to the Mac gods that her eMac is perfect, and will remain that way:

:)
 
Apple Not Interested

Having spent the last few months not only following, but being directly involved in this "story", I feel a few points should be made.

The eMacs being affected are all 1.25Ghz models, built between April - December 2004, in the USA, China, and Czech factories. All present with swollen/leaking caps, and the problems experienced are not simply video problems - the entire system freezes and requires a hard shutdown. The problem gradually worsens until you are lucky to get through startup without a freeze occuring. The only resolution is to get a new logic board at a cost of $400 to $900 depending on who you ask.

The problem was first experienced in Apple's iMac G5, which was manufactured in a very similar timeframe to the eMacs that are affected. The iMac, for whatever reasons, presented with problems very soon after they were sold, whereas the eMacs have only started to show the problems since around Dec-Jan 2006 - around 18 months after they were sold.

Although Apple did impliment a repair program for the much more expensive iMac, they have unofficially said that not enough eMac owners are reporting the problem for them to consider a similar program. I suspect that the bad caps involved will all sooner or alter fail, but sadly a lot of people in the mean time have a large white paperweight sitting on their desks.

I myself tried talking to Apple Australia about the problem, pointing out the thread on Apple's Discussion Forum with many thousands of "hits", but they were not interested. I thus decided to try a different approach, and emailed s_jobs@apple.com with a polite query about the matter. Apple Australia then contacted me and agreed to replace my eMac's logic board after it had been examined by an Apple repairer.

I suggest anyone with an eMac 1.25 open the inspection hatch on the belly of the computer and check out the capacitors that are visible near the RAM slots. If you are already having problems, call Apple, post on the Discussions forum, and email Steve.
 
I had the logic board replaced on my eMac about 8 months ago and since then its been running fine. It was displaying the graphic card glitch that so many have reported. Apple was quick to fix it, although their in store service department forgot to connect Speakers, Power Button, and Power Light to the logic board; you would think Apple would have better Q.C., I'm a custom PC builder and remedied the problem in about 15 minutes.
 
Rod76 said:
I had the logic board replaced on my eMac about 8 months ago and since then its been running fine. It was displaying the graphic card glitch that so many have reported. Apple was quick to fix it, although their in store service department forgot to connect Speakers, Power Button, and Power Light to the logic board; you would think Apple would have better Q.C., I'm a custom PC builder and remedied the problem in about 15 minutes.

Quality control, that's always a good laugh, the cousin of Public Relations.

Problem with QC is that it is only for show, to put it this way, given the standard technician wage, personal expectations are the same whether you work for Apple or Dell or MDG. Unless you are a well-paid lab tech, typically, a regular repair tech would always look for greener pastures, meaning less stringent hours, better pay, and/or less supervising over the shoulders. And since they float around from company to company so fast, and the amount of repairs they do is enormous, quality control simply can't keep up. Kinda like our government and modern law making.
 
What does everyone expect. It is an eMac, its cost when it was made $799-$999. Everyone expects something in this industry to be as cheap as possible. The higher demand for the cheaper machines that are capable of doing the tasks we require them to do the more likely things like this are to happen. I also do not think this eMac thing is that big, as I have not seen this issue yet at the Authorized Service center I work at. It is not like the iMac issue which is just out of control at this point. The first thing I do when I get a 1.6-20Ghz iMac is open it up to see if it has blown or swollen capacitors.
In the case of the eMac the way I see it is, you get what you pay for. If you are upset that you out of warranty eMac is failing, then you should probably consider AppleCare with your next computer purchase.
 
MaaseyRacer said:
What does everyone expect. It is an eMac, its cost when it was made $799-$999. Everyone expects something in this industry to be as cheap as possible. The higher demand for the cheaper machines that are capable of doing the tasks we require them to do the more likely things like this are to happen. I also do not think this eMac thing is that big, as I have not seen this issue yet at the Authorized Service center I work at. It is not like the iMac issue which is just out of control at this point. The first thing I do when I get a 1.6-20Ghz iMac is open it up to see if it has blown or swollen capacitors.
In the case of the eMac the way I see it is, you get what you pay for. If you are upset that you out of warranty eMac is failing, then you should probably consider AppleCare with your next computer purchase.

WOW, that's a little harsh....

But a little off topic now... do people think that the eMac will make the Intel transition? :confused:

If it does will it retain its CRT or go to an LCD? :confused: (with a lot of weights in the rear to keep 'em from walking.) :p
 
MaaseyRacer said:
In the case of the eMac the way I see it is, you get what you pay for. If you are upset that you out of warranty eMac is failing, then you should probably consider AppleCare with your next computer purchase.
What people pay for is a computer that works for rather more than year and a bit. It's the same for an eMac or a top of the line Powermac. If Applecare is to be considered essential then that doesn't say much for the quality of Apple's products now does it?
 
In the case of the eMac the way I see it is, you get what you pay for. If you are upset that you out of warranty eMac is failing, then you should probably consider AppleCare with your next computer purchase.

So 1000$ = crap that breaks after a year, 1700$ = good machine that doesn't break after a year. That makes sense. :rolleyes: It's not like we are talking about a 5$ watch from a guy on the street versus a 1000$ rolex.
 
cait-sith said:
So 1000$ = crap that breaks after a year, 1700$ = good machine that doesn't break after a year. That makes sense. :rolleyes: It's not like we are talking about a 5$ watch from a guy on the street versus a 1000$ rolex.

"You pay for what you get" is pure crap. You paid for the features, speeds, capacities and integration, not the breakage. Therefore, you paid less meaning you will be getting less features, speeds, capacities for your money, not less durable. But you know, if that was the case, you better not buy a mac for a while, because "you pay for what you get" and you are not the one who decides what is the ratio of pay vs. get.
 
I have one of these 1.25GHz eMac's and I checked the capacitors and nothing was buldging or leaking. Most likely, I'll check again in the next couple of weeks and make sure they aren't leaking or anything.

O and this crap about how you get what your pay for is ********. Having payed $799 for my eMac, I expect it to last a lot longer than 1.5 years. Heck I have a iMac 233MHz G3 still chugging along after 8 years. No problems with that machine. That right there shows you the difference in the Apple machines of today and yesterday. Also, people saying you shoulda got AppleCare is stupid too. Some people (like myself) couldn't afford AppleCare, and people who didn't purchase it expect the machine not to konk out after a couple of years (the reason why I didn't get it; been reliable machine so far). If my eMac does die, then I will try to get Apple to replace the motherboard. Otherwise, I will be one angry focker. :mad:
 
ryannel2003 said:
I have one of these 1.25GHz eMac's and I checked the capacitors and nothing was buldging or leaking. Most likely, I'll check again in the next couple of weeks and make sure they aren't leaking or anything.

O and this crap about how you get what your pay for is ********. Having payed $799 for my eMac, I expect it to last a lot longer than 1.5 years. Heck I have a iMac 233MHz G3 still chugging along after 8 years. No problems with that machine. That right there shows you the difference in the Apple machines of today and yesterday. Also, people saying you shoulda got AppleCare is stupid too. Some people (like myself) couldn't afford AppleCare, and people who didn't purchase it expect the machine not to konk out after a couple of years (the reason why I didn't get it; been reliable machine so far). If my eMac does die, then I will try to get Apple to replace the motherboard. Otherwise, I will be one angry focker. :mad:

Exactly, and I guote Homer Simpson "Extended warranty? How could I lose ?"
 
It's all relative, too....

If I get a bargain-priced PC for, say, $299 (which is entirely possible nowdays if you shop around for a budget-priced eMachnies Celeron-processor based PC or something similar) - then I'm pretty accepting of the fact that after a year of use, something might fail on it.

To me, though, even the eMac priced at $800-900 is not "budget priced" in the least. It's only "cheap" compared to Apple's other offerings.

The question comes down to this... Does Apple want to embrace the philosophy of "Anything with our logo on it is top quality!", or do they want to embrace the philosophy of "Our lower-end systems aren't built nearly as well as our higher end models. If you're not well-off enough financially to consider our $800 systems cheap - then you're not a customer we care much about."


Maxx Power said:
"You pay for what you get" is pure crap. You paid for the features, speeds, capacities and integration, not the breakage. Therefore, you paid less meaning you will be getting less features, speeds, capacities for your money, not less durable. But you know, if that was the case, you better not buy a mac for a while, because "you pay for what you get" and you are not the one who decides what is the ratio of pay vs. get.
 
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