Video Cutting on Mac

Discussion in 'Digital Video' started by rvpete, Jul 9, 2007.

  1. rvpete macrumors member

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    Hi there,

    I switched to mac recently and want to continue my movie cutting. but for now I don't know where to start.

    On windows I worked with vdubmod to cut the footage and imported it with Premiere Pro 2 and arranged everything how i wanted it to be.

    But i didn't find something like vdubmod for max OSX.

    Now I need some tipps on the following:
    How can I, if possible batched, extract certain sequenzes from my footage and save it as new footage without deleting every rest of the main footage (this was something i hated in premiere 2)
    Is there anything more Userfriendly, and if possible not as expansive as Premiere, for mac? Maybe even free software which also allows decent cuuting and effecting?

    ANother thing, I'd need is a tip, how to edit music files, for exampe Cutting noise from the end or merge with another sound file

    Thank you for your help
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  3. rvpete thread starter macrumors member

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    can i do with this what i need without other tools ? *which rly sucked at premiere 2 xD*

    also is there demo version of it? want to try before i pay again for a tool ike this ;-/
     
  4. trudd macrumors regular

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    iMovie will do basic cutting and is included with every Mac. Single track video, 2 layers of stereo audio. If you've been using Premier, though, you will find it to be a step back.

    You can do audio merging one of two ways - keyframe in iMovie, or edit in Garageband (also comes with every Mac).

    I'm unfamiliar with vdubmod, so I can't help you there...

    As for non-destructive editing, in final cut you can set in and out points on your main video clip and drag it back to your browser. This creates an alias to the main video clip file. Unless you export and replace your video files, final cut will not alter them.
     
  5. trudd macrumors regular

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    It is $299 retail.

    But, if you are a student, it is only $149. Not a bad discount.

    Go to store.apple.com and click on Educational Discounts in the bottom right (if you qualify).
     
  6. ChrisA macrumors G4

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    Apple's "Final Cut" will do everything you asked for. Batch imports followed by non-destructive non-linear editing. It's also a good sound editor too.

    There are two version "elements" and "pro".
    FCE is not expensive, about $300 but FCP is about $1200. Mostpeople would be best off with FCP. The user interface is the same in both and Apple lets you apply the cost of FCE if you later want to upgrade. So there is nothing to be lost in buying FCE.
    See Apple's web sight for details

    If you want "free" there are two. First "iMovie" is part of iLife and comes with every mac. It is very simple and limited so much so that it will drive you nuts if you've ever used a real editor but it works well for most consumers. The other one is "cinelerra" http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3 It's big and complex and al ot like FCP but you are not going to be able to use it unless you know quite a bit about computers, video and UNIX or you hire someone who does. Still the site is worth looking at to get a feel for the state of the art in free video editors. Cinelerra has recently added the abilty to add live video feeds to the time line for real-time mixing and effects, something Apple can't do yet.

    Bottom line: get a copy of FCE. It's well worth the $299 price
     
  7. ppc_michael Guest

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    Avid Free DV? :D

    Final Cut is definitely the way to go. A bajillion times better than Premiere.
     
  8. rvpete thread starter macrumors member

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    well i'll look in thos things you mentioned.

    still ihope ther is anywhere a "legal" posibillity to try FC before buying it i once looked in to the FC HDD suite at a friends MBP and i didn't really know where to begin. is ther online somthing like a tutorial so i can look prehead whats going to come to me?

    I found This URL but I dont know if this is the most actual thing :)

    I Hope this student Version is at the same price in Austria like it is at your place, 120 bucks is something i can afford for a leisure time thing but more would be to much for me atm i think :) *still would need photoshop *expensive ;_:*

    just checked it, We pay about 70 bucks mrore then you do :-/ 179 €
     
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  10. rvpete thread starter macrumors member

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    ok thanks for thelink i'll look at it :)
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    does FCE work with mkv data? a friend of mine ripped my dvds so i can do certain video ... premiere pro wasnt able to handle it :-/

    I plan on buying FCE and, if it doesnt support mkv, how can i convert mkv to something fce understands? It would suck to rip the dvds again :-/ *time is money , and i am short on money >_<*
     
  11. FF_productions macrumors 68030

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    If I was going to set it out to do video professionally, I would start learning Avid first.

    I wish I did that, I have this Final Cut Pro mindset and it is almost impossible to snap out of it and learn the Avid mindset.

    In the end, these are just tools to finish your video, it all depends on the talent of the editor in the end, the tools just make the experience easier and more efficient.
     
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    You would have to convert the MKV to Quicktime MOV. I'm sure there's a way. Although if you still have access to the DVDs, it would be easier to re-rip them and convert VOB files to MOB with MPEG Stream Clip.

    I started with Avid and moved to Final Cut. FCP is a much better suite all around, I think. Avid is just so freaking expensive I don't think production houses/studios want to throw it away yet. ;)
     
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  14. rvpete thread starter macrumors member

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    proble is i don't have all dvds anymore ... somone brok into the car where i had it in -_-

    so if you know a good program for that pls help me out ;_;

    oh yeah and something apart from http://media-convert.com/ ;_;
     
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  16. rvpete thread starter macrumors member

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    hmm isnt that too out of date? i thought we are on revision 6 an this is for 3.5 no?

    hx anyways ill look at it

    just another quick question, can I seperate audio and video from a mixed file in FCE ? premiere pro 2 could do it with some clicks :confused:
     
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    If you've never cut before, stick with iMovie. It'll do the job easily and quickly.

    If you've cut before, go with the full Final Cut Studio 2 suite. It's really good.

    If you're willing to commit a lot of time and energy, learn Final Cut Pro. It'll work beautifully, though a somewhat steep learning curve.

    if you need it done for just one job, hire a video editor who'll do a better job than you in about 1/20th the time
     
  19. seany916 macrumors 6502

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    Soundtrack pro will take care of your music needs nicely, though not as efficiently as Logic.
     
  20. Lebowski macrumors 6502

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    hmm, maybe its not a good idea to keep install discs in your car there champ.


    you want to edit video? buck up, and spend a few bucks like we all have and get FCE. spend a few more and get a tutorial DVD or take a class.


    /end thread.
     
  21. rvpete thread starter macrumors member

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    @seany

    lol i laughed at the thought of hiring someone for a fan made video for a contest xD

    well i have expierences with premiere 6.5 windows *man i want to kill the one who released this buggy piece of ....* pro 1.5 and pro 2
    some things are alike with pfc some things aren't the basics of video cutting aren't my problem .. just want to go away from adobe after switching to mac ... also i heared .. adobe pro 2 on intel mac is way slower then on pc, and after the bugs I head last time, i wont try my mac with this :)

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    a friend of mine who is going on a WE holiday said i can use his mbp with his Final cut pro hd to see if I like it ( i have it for this WE )

    i like the GUI and i feel comfy, but also a little lost (used to adobe stuff).

    I tried opening an *.mp4 movie i ripped myself but it really gets slow and its a pain to work with it (the file is just 700MB) also the smaller version of it (120 MB) had the same problem. It was a deinterlaced anamorph rip multipass

    Is this a problem with my friends mbp, or the installation, or has this program problems with this kind of data? (first 2 things i cant change with beaing eaten :3 )

    strange thing is, downloaded footage (i think divx) can be opened and edited without any problems. Just downloaded fooages is not an option for this. ( also i was surprised it could handle divx)

    another problem i have with xvid encoded things. the files i mentioned earlier in this thread i could convert to a mov fie, I used xvid as codec and neither QT nor pfc can open it. Is this just because of xvid? what is a better codec fot pfc h.anything (don't remeber number) or something else?


    When I use special effects, like blends or so, i can see in the preview of the effect not those two scenes i am editing, but *i think* random screens of the whole file, is there any way to switch this? It is a bit of a pain to alter this while lookin on the preview, because one wrong klick and something messed up

    I read, on pfc you have a totorial on the install disk, is this the ~2000 side pdf that also is installed or something diffrent? if it is the pdf doc I#ll have a fun weekend with reading things i need to know, if not, the friend is already gone and can't give me the disk

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    A final question, in which things do FCE and FCP differ? if it is JUST the amount of effects an filters I will buy FCE as soon as I have the money for it ( no job atm and last money i spent for my mac and ipod :D )
    If there are MAJOR things pls tell me :)



    oh and thanks again for this auacity thingy, i worked withit on windows, hope i get into the mac version as fast as into the windows version <3
     
  22. Cromulent macrumors 603

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    The major difference between FCP and FCE are the applications that come with them.

    If you get Final Cut Studio (you can't buy FCP on its own), you also get Colour, Motion, Soundtrack Pro, DVD Studio Pro and Compressor as well as a few other little utilities.

    Final Cut Express only comes with a cut down version of Soundtrack and Livetype. You will need to use iDVD to burn DVDs.
     
  23. rvpete thread starter macrumors member

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    hmmm now what do I use for example color and motion?

    somehow i canfigure the rest out but these two

    and .. how much cut down is it? when i look at the stuff fc studio delivers and coomparing it just with premiere pro lets me go -> :eek:
     
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  25. rvpete thread starter macrumors member

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    ok well i did not quite get the infos i wanted on the similarity or differences, but, nvm that.

    now i read trough a bunch of pages of the file thatcame with theinstallation on my friends mbp.

    I also figured some things out, like how to crop.

    think i did not get to know, also with searching the pdf file, is how to resize the footage to the old size after something has bin cropped ... in premiere pro this was done with zoom and pan and was nothing mentionable hard.

    how would this feature be named in pfc? still have some time to play around, and if i dont get this to work, ill switch to the windows PC and work again with pro 2

    another question, is it legal, to download a version for mac of a adobe program, if I have the windows version? if yes then i could work on mac, which i would prefer, if no .. well :(
     

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