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Video Demos Performance Differences Between 8GB and 16GB Apple M1 MacBook Pro
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In my own testing I’ve found swap to go really high. Imported 42 21MP RAW files into Lightroom CC. Did my picks and edited 11 of the photos. Swap hit nearly 13GB! With Lightroom still open apps had noticeable pop-in effect and some frame drops moving around.
From what I’ve seen no matter what you do, macOS keeps around 1.5-2GB RAM free, I presume for GPU memory. So 8GB only appears to allow up to 6.5GB to be used. It’s so strange seeing memory used as 5.8GB and 12.8GB of swap. I’ve never see memory go into the 7GB, Apple must be specifically managing it in such a way as to keep some free.
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10:42 in this video on the 8GB he’s had out of memory errors
From what I’ve seen no matter what you do, macOS keeps around 1.5-2GB RAM free, I presume for GPU memory. So 8GB only appears to allow up to 6.5GB to be used. It’s so strange seeing memory used as 5.8GB and 12.8GB of swap. I’ve never see memory go into the 7GB, Apple must be specifically managing it in such a way as to keep some free.
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10:42 in this video on the 8GB he’s had out of memory errors
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8GB unified = 16GB standard (up to 4K workflow)
16GB unified = 32GB standard (for more than 4K workflow)
16GB unified = 32GB standard (for more than 4K workflow)
I didn‘t know the term tab hoarder existed, but you can definitely call me that as well 😂
Devs were forced to. The Mac mini DTK alone isn't enough to test to see if a major product works flawlessly.
These are really CPU-bound or GPU-bound benchmarks. It doesn't show the difference between 8GB and 16GB because that amount of RAM wasn't really needed, except in the 8K test where it choked the unified memory architecture. 8GB shared between CPU and GPU is not enough in that instance.
Also they're not really representative of the real-world. What developer do you know what closes all of their apps except Xcode to do a build? Almost nobody runs one app at a time.
Also they're not really representative of the real-world. What developer do you know what closes all of their apps except Xcode to do a build? Almost nobody runs one app at a time.
I've killed an SSD on a 15" 16GB MBP due to excessive swapping. 200-300GB on an average day, 1TB on a bad day. I've killed one SSD doing this.
Swapping is fine if you only exceed your available memory by a small amount. If you swap only a little, your SSD will probably last forever.
The more you exceed your available memory the worse it gets, because it means macOS can be moving stuff in and out of swap nearly constantly which can result in an enormous amount of data being written in a short time. It gets worse still if your drive is almost full because it makes it much harder for the SSD controller to manage wear levelling.
Luckily for me this MBP has a user-replaceable SSD. If it was a newer MBP I'd have had to pay a fortune for Apple to replace the logic board.
The memory isn't integrated in to the SoC though. It's on the package alongside the SoC but it's still very much external memory.
Interesting that just as with "spinner hdd" heat is a factor with SSDs. This article helps explain consumer vs enterprise units.
Enterprise versus Client SSD
What are the differences between a client and enterprise SSD?
And Difference Between Enterprise and Consumer Solid State Drives
Enterprise vs. Consumer Solid State Drives
Why not install cheap consumer-grade solid state drives into enterprise-class hardware? Let us count the ways.
Okay yeah, I could see it at that level. I don't doubt that killed an SSD. Most people don't use that amount. Applications that push that much data around often have dedicated facilities to handle their own swap space (Photoshop, Mental Ray before it was discontinued). You must realize, 1TB of swap in a day is a pretty extreme case for your primary boot drive.
Of course, if you're pushing those kinds of numbers, you probably know you're maxing memory regardless.
They sometimes offer flat rate repairs on out of warranty repairs, which used to be sent out for repair. They were $350 for a 15" macbook pro last time I used it, and that rate has been around since the Powerbook days. Liquid damage and stuff like that is apparently where they really hit you. I haven't experienced it myself, but that's my impression from the threads on here.
Interesting that just as with "spinner hdd" heat is a factor with SSDs. This article helps explain consumer vs enterprise units.
Enterprise versus Client SSD
What are the differences between a client and enterprise SSD?www.kingston.com
And Difference Between Enterprise and Consumer Solid State Drives
Enterprise vs. Consumer Solid State Drives
Why not install cheap consumer-grade solid state drives into enterprise-class hardware? Let us count the ways.www.itprotoday.com
Enterprise HDDs also typically used different firmware from consumer grade counterparts.
You buy this today tomorrow they will release new model then another model after you spend tons of money It will be counting on and on .There is no products that makes u crazy after Steve Jobs dead ...Nothing special with this new models ,maybe little different then previous that’s all but not major upgrades since years This all waste of money and trap from Apple
With their marketing games
Why should i sale my Macs to get this M1 ?not all new technology products are better then older models.
You can’t win this Apple willthey want u to spend all your money for the new products and some of them not even better then previous models
And those losers dislike my comment those the ones spending money for a computer before their rent
like i really give a **** about if u like my comment or not lol
lots of lowlife lonely loser fags here don’t even own a Mac Hahahaha
Dislike my comment prove u r a %100 pure fag because u don’t like the truth lol
Lol, you are obviously an angry person with acceptance problems if you call people nasty names because you think they may dislike your comments....sorry for you
Are you all using the same currency? $6k USD and $6k AUD is slightly different.
Same here. I've spent extra for MacOS over Windows because it helped getting work done. I've also spent extra for higher specs because it helped getting work done.
For the same reason we got a 4k projector for an extra few hundred $. It likely paid for itself the first time we used it. People who only use their computers to play around just can't understand that spending more can make financial sense.
As with you we have some old apps (32bit Mac) as well as Windows and we can't migrate to M1 this year because we simply can't run the old apps on the new machines.
As for my personal computer, I'm still on a '15 13" MBP with Big Sur... and 16GB of RAM.
5 years ago Apple had 8GB standard and charged $200 USD for an upgrade to 16GB. You'd think they'd move on by now.
you make less and less sense. Those M1 Macs are the first big leap in years and you keep bashing at them with your faulty logics. If massive battery life improvements together with great performance and thermals are not an improvement, I don’t know what it is...
You don't actually understand what unified memory is, do you?
The DTK is returned to Apple. And for the price of a Mac mini, a developer would surely see a return on the cost of the purchase even as a small business.
No one has a right to be pissed off about anything.
It's clear these are the first baby steps of a new era of Macs - hence the same design as before. Apple will learn from the data they collect & user feedback before we see any hardware revisions to the 13" Pro & Air lines.
I'd imagine the Apple silicon based 16" MBP will feature a M1X or some other variant to distinguish itself from the baseline models, perhaps supporting 32GB RAM and with a more powerful GPU too.
And if Apple want to release frequent updates rather than just 1 spec bump a year, then I am all for that.
Hahaha. My 2008 MBP was still future proof with 4 GB and SSD and Mojave installed till it really diesd lol. Now it is 2009 version 6/500 GB/Mojave taht cost me 180 USD, Hahaha, Does all what i need as not gaming.Future proof a $700 device? Just buy a new one in few years
edit: wow, this is a popular post. Haha
Seems this site deleted my one line joke which had 30 laughs and likes:Future proof a $700 device? Just buy a new one in few years
edit: wow, this is a popular post. Haha
“Tim, how many burner accounts do you have on here?”
Since it didn’t have an “appropriate level of discourse, without trying to anger others or produce feuds or shouting matches that take threads off topic.”
OK....
So to add a real comment, I’d go Air — seems like it fulfils most needs. If I were a pro video producer I might wait to see what else they roll out than choosing these Pros - 16GB doesn’t seem enough. But the Air is at a solid price, even with our lousy Canadian dollar.
I hope they will do follow up with real multirasking stress test something like that:
A few others swap which the video the doesn't mention.
There doesn't seem to be too much of a performance hit when the M1 is using swap memory with the 8gb system, but its gonna wear down that SSD alot quicker which is not replaceable of course. I know there will alot who won't care and will sell the unit after a year anyway leaving it someone else's problem.
There doesn't seem to be too much of a performance hit when the M1 is using swap memory with the 8gb system, but its gonna wear down that SSD alot quicker which is not replaceable of course. I know there will alot who won't care and will sell the unit after a year anyway leaving it someone else's problem.