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Interesting point about the cover art that I missed. There is bootleg cover art in the iTunes world (One example: Slowburn, Peter Gabriel at the Roxy 4/9/77) so I guess it can be done out to the iPod.

I do still wonder about them pulling the songs up to the cloud with the annual fee service. Sure they can tag it as unknown, but they will still be hosting an unlicensed item in their system.

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Nevermind, my bad.

I just figgured this out. The new service doesn't actually upload anything from your computer; it only matches what you have with what is in the great iTunes master file and lets you download a copy of thier version. So, if the bootleg recording is not there it is just passed over and you have to sync it the old fashond way.

If it is there on the onther hand... :rolleyes:

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Either would I. But people do. And according to the keynote - App and App Data gets uploaded when synced. So until we have first hand experiences on that - I guess we won't have an answer for certain. But unfortunately - my inclination is that sensitive data can/will be uploaded to the cloud.

Also - will each app have a pop up to have you OK this process? I am not praising nor admonishing Android - but it's my understanding that such accesses in Android have a warning screen. Or will Apple go the seamless "hidden" route?

No doubt there will be a feature curve as well. Things released with OS 5.0/iCloud 1.0 will probably morph as usage increases/sensitivities and lines are crossed...

Pop-ups... you have to inform users of the nature of any data that will be uploaded to the cloud, and give them the opportunity to disable it, just as you you have to ask if you want to allow an app to accept Push messages or share your location. The reasons are as much to do with not wanting to fill the cloud with garbage (or use it as a free data cache) as to do with security. I fully expect there'll be a fair few developers complaining because their App was rejected for trying to upload data surreptitiously :)

Apple at least have the benefit of having made mistakes with this stuff in the past, so should have a bit more wisdom to work with on how to treat privacy & security going forward.
 
Okay... let's set the record straight. Statements like "Android had this sense it's inception" is wrong. The first commercial Android based phone, which came out over a year after the first iPhone, was an abortion of a phone. Horrible. It was very half baked. But, like many phone OS makers out there, it changed and everyone went to school on each other and all the phone OS's have been changing and getting better.

So please.... Google and Android was not the phone Demi-god from the beginning. They have done a great job (better than any other phone OS by far) of keeping the innovation going. But, they too went to school on Apple in the beginning.

Now... back to the matter at hand... Apple products... this is the Apple forum you know. :)

Also, Android was not the first to do this either. I had a blackberry before iPhones or Androids even existed. It had over the air updates. Given they were few and far between, but I never plugged it in to a computer to set up and all my updates came over the air on my data connection. Sure things have come a long way since then, phones are better, updates are bigger, but the concept was around before the iPhone/Androids.
 
At first this seemed like it would make my job a lot easier but I suppose people sharing iTunes accounts would end up identical in every other way huh? I suppose that is against the user agreement anyway though is it not?
Not according to the Keynote. Up to 10 authorized devices can share the music.

And I think this is very much what Apple was going for and waiting for as it took the slow road to untethering its devices. Sharing music legally across a certain number of devices, as well as apps, books, magazines--all that stuff that people buy and that companies (owners of the apps, books, magazines, music) might object to having "shared" across devices. Like copying a movie or ripping a CD for a friend, the friend didn't pay for it and the movie maker/songwriter doesn't get any money for that copy you gave the friend.

I could be wrong here, but I suspect that Apple had to convince all these companies that untethering the devices, sharing from a Cloud rather than from an authorized computer hub, wouldn't lead to pirating. I'm not surprised they lagged behind in this given that they want the Cloud to instantly share books and magazines as well as music, apps, photos and documents. That's a lot of convincing to do.
 
LOL! And the average consumer is going to do this how?

Why do all the Android geeks think everyone is a geek? :rolleyes:

:) if the average consumer want regular software update they have that option. like iphone, if the average consumer want to do more with their phone they have jailbreak ;)
 
Apple is calling these Post-PC (as in any personal computer) devices.
Every time I hear people say "Post PC" I just laugh. People are not getting rid of their PC's. They are just moving from desktop's to notebooks and now to tablets and other devices. All of these are PCs. People are challenging what we view a PC as. In the past it was only a screen and a physical keyboard. But now tablets etc are in the mix.

All of these are a PC. Heck a calculator from the 1980's is a PC. It has a screen, an input method via the number pad and you can tell it to do stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer
A personal computer (PC) is any general-purpose computer whose size, capabilities, and original sales price make it useful for individuals, and which is intended to be operated directly by an end-user with no intervening computer operator.
And this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer
A computer is a programmable machine designed to sequentially and automatically carry out a sequence of arithmetic or logical operations.

So under those statements the iOS devices are computers. You could argue to have no intervening computer operator you needed to cut the itunes cord. Well that's done now. So they are all PCs.

So if anyone says an iOS device is a "Post PC" device, I will say nope. it's just a different kind of PC.


No matter what else you call it, a Mac is a PC. ;-)
Just like the iOS devices are also PCs. Just mobile ones.
 
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Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/8J2)I really hope they just keep it as a unified app like it is now. It works great. I wish they could bring the unified approach to the touch instead

That is what I have thought for a long time too but apparently they are going the other way. It does make some sense and at least it will be uniform now.
 
Why do y'all all welcome the Post-PC era so readily? In one to two generations you could have kids growing up with no knowledge of how the dumb terminals/technology they use works.

This is utter nonsense. Do you think a child growing up in the 1990's understood the intricacies of all the IC chips in that beige box on the floor any more than they do the ones inside an iPad today?

A youth today is empowered to the nth degree by Apple/Android API's and app stores. I only wish I was lucky enough to have grown up in a world where I was three months (or less) of development away from a software market of millions standing by with credit card in hand.
 
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