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Video Shows Benefits of 2GB RAM in iPhone 6s

xWhiplash said:
Exactly, it will be frustrating if they add 3GB in for 7 or 7s. Soon developers will create apps that need the 2GB, then you won't be able to use it on your 6. That is why Apple is lagging behind on the RAM. Not because they are cheap. Designing a new processor costs more than putting more RAM in. Do you guys SERIOUSLY think it is just Apple being cheap?
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Yes, absolutely. The CPU is not the most expensive part in the phone. Every other part is sourced on the open market and Apple typically makes inferior choices compared to what's available.

The proof is in their net margins (which take into account all the R&D) that are higher than all the other competitors.
 
Dmunjal said:
Yes, absolutely. The CPU is not the most expensive part in the phone. Every other part is sourced on the open market and Apple typically makes inferior choices compared to what's available.

The proof is in their net margins (which take into account all the R&D) that are higher than all the other competitors.
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The CPU is more expensive than spending $1 (according to some people here) to put in another 1GB of RAM. The new CPU certainly costs more than $1. Therefore, Apple is not being cheap.

antonm73 said:
They didn't mention it because quite frankly 2GB of RAM is embarrassing in this day-and-age, especially when compared to Android phone specs and not even the flagship Android phones. Apple will tell you that there is no benefit in more than 2GB which is horse-something and again goes to show their motive is to make as much as much margin as possible and also stifle the longevity of their products.

Look at what £120 ($190) will buy you in terms of spec on a budget Android phone >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/08/review_wileyfox_swift_android_smartphone/

I'm not having a pop at iPhone users, lovers, fanbois, but you gotta wake up and smell the coffee!
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Frankly, it shows how horrible Android is that an iPhone 6 with only 1GB of RAM performs just as well as an Android with 3GB+. Some of those are VERY SLOW.
 
xWhiplash said:
Exactly, it will be frustrating if they add 3GB in for 7 or 7s. Soon developers will create apps that need the 2GB, then you won't be able to use it on your 6. That is why Apple is lagging behind on the RAM. Not because they are cheap. Designing a new processor costs more than putting more RAM in. Do you guys SERIOUSLY think it is just Apple being cheap?
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Not cheap but greedy, aided by their quasi-monopoly situation. And yes, I seriously think that Apple is a greedy, unethical company. If it costs them $1 to add 1Gb of RAM but they figure they can bamboozle their users to live without it, hey presto, that's a multi-million dollar profit, right there.

The back-compatibility excuse just doesn't wash. I'd be surprised if there's one Android app requiring anything close to 1Gb of RAM, and yet, they simply add more RAM, which is cheap and leads to a better multi-tasking experience. They don't do it because they're nice people and care about us, but because there's fierce competition in the field.

In any case, Apple could have easily kept in check the memory usage requirements (and they probably do) simply by dictate. They're the gate keeper to the app store so they can enforce whatever policy they feel like.
 
xWhiplash said:
The CPU is more expensive than spending $1 (according to some people here) to put in another 1GB of RAM. The new CPU certainly costs more than $1. Therefore, Apple is not being cheap.
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The cost of the CPU stays about the same every year. But the cost or RAM (and NAND) goes down every year.

http://www.techinsights.com/teardown.com/apple-iphone-6/

Yes, they are being cheap or greedy or both.

You, as the buyer are paying for Apple's exorbitant margins and profits.
 
xWhiplash said:
Frankly, it shows how horrible Android is that an iPhone 6 with only 1GB of RAM performs just as well as an Android with 3GB+. Some of those are VERY SLOW.
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The iPhone doesn't perform just as well, on the memory side. It has a fast CPU which lowers the pain of the reload, but it's always been obviously under-specced for memory.

I saw this first hand. My old Nexus 4 is fairly slow (old tech after all) but it's much better at keeping loaded browser tabs and apps in general compared to the iPhone 6. That's just because it has twice the RAM.
 
symphara said:
Not cheap but greedy, aided by their quasi-monopoly situation. And yes, I seriously think that Apple is a greedy, unethical company. If it costs them $1 to add 1Gb of RAM but they figure they can bamboozle their users to live without it, hey presto, that's a multi-million dollar profit, right there.

The back-compatibility excuse just doesn't wash. I'd be surprised if there's one Android app requiring anything close to 1Gb of RAM, and yet, they simply add more RAM, which is cheap and leads to a better multi-tasking experience. They don't do it because they're nice people and care about us, but because there's fierce competition in the field.

In any case, Apple could have easily kept in check the memory usage requirements (and they probably do) simply by dictate. They're the gate keeper to the app store so they can enforce whatever policy they feel like.
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But 1GB IS ENOUGH! I am one of those people that do not care if their tab reloads. I do not fill out important forms on my phone. I use a computer for that.

Like other have stated: More RAM is nice, but 1GB indeed was GOOD. We never had any serious issues with it. Sure tabs reloading can be irritating, but it wasn't like the phone reset every 10 minutes due to lack of RAM.

You guys make it sound like your iPhone was reloading every 10 minutes and giving you OUT OF RAM messages CONSTANTLY. I never do multitasking with my phones, and 1GB was certainly enough to handle the active app and active tab without any issues.
 
yticolev said:
AMOLED colors are not accurate. You might like excessive color saturation better, but you cannot say with any truth that the pictures are better based on your phone screen. Upload and look at both camera's pictures on a high resolution computer screen (or even a highly saturated TV) to compare properly on the same page.
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Actually, if you look at the measurements done on the Note 4/Galaxy 6 gen phones, their AMOLED screens are more accurate, colour-wise, compared to the iPhone 6.

Not that it matters much for me, personally, I don't care about colour accuracy on a phone (as long as it's not wildly inaccurate*) and yes, I certainly like OLED blacks, the contrast level and more vibrant colours in general. Can't wait to buy a nice 85" OLED TV :)

As for the camera pictures, of course we compared them on a proper screen.

(*) I have the iPad retina mini and that has wildly inaccurate colours, and an awful black level. It's noticeable and definitely lowers the experience, but still acceptable for a portable device, in my opinion. Certainly if I were a big Apple fan, considering this particular product, I would stay mum on the subject of colour accuracy.
 
symphara said:
For you, perhaps. For many it's not. I think it's pretty good that they finally added more.
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Again, I said that having more RAM is good. But 1GB was certainly good too.

And that is why we need to stop this argument that "Oh even 2GB of RAM in 2015 is a joke, we need 3GB or 4GB" arguments. Just like the "16GB of storage in 2015 is a joke" arguments are ridiculous. Since when did a year define how much storage or RAM we need? So you are saying December 31st 2014, 1GB and 16GB were fine, but as soon as January 1st 2015 hit, they are suddenly "not good enough"?

1GB on an iPhone is ONLY...ONLY a serious issue if it can never open apps and CONSTANTLY gives us out of memory errors. Did the iPhone 6 do that? No. Other than the tab refreshing, have there been any serious issues with 1GB of RAM? My iPad can run productivity software with 1GB of RAM. It seems fine to me.

If you seriously need to fill out a form and pull information from 25 various sites/emails/other sources, use a computer.
 
dannys1 said:
Are you really? Why? Its utterly pointless. Maybe when I can have actual wireless charging so that my phone chargers whilst i'm walking around my house, that would be cool - or at the very least it charges whenever I lay it down on any surface. But having to put it on a pad which slow chargers the phone is really really useless.
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Actually, it would be super convenient. I charge my iPhone and iPad next to my bed every night. If I could just set them in a stand without concern for plugging them in and unplugging them (especially in the dark), and with any case, then that would be incredibly convenient.
 
kramerdude said:
Actually, it would be super convenient. I charge my iPhone and iPad next to my bed every night. If I could just set them in a stand without concern for plugging them in and unplugging them (especially in the dark), and with any case, then that would be incredibly convenient.
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Wireless charging is worse on your battery though. There was an article posted recently that stated a few things. One of them was wireless charging was harmful because it gets the battery too hot.
 
xWhiplash said:
Again, I said that having more RAM is good. But 1GB was certainly good too.

And that is why we need to stop this argument that "Oh even 2GB of RAM in 2015 is a joke, we need 3GB or 4GB" arguments. Just like the "16GB of storage in 2015 is a joke" arguments are ridiculous. Since when did a year define how much storage or RAM we need? So you are saying December 31st 2014, 1GB and 16GB were fine, but as soon as January 1st 2015 hit, they are suddenly "not good enough"?

1GB on an iPhone is ONLY...ONLY a serious issue if it can never open apps and CONSTANTLY gives us out of memory errors. Did the iPhone 6 do that? No. Other than the tab refreshing, have there been any serious issues with 1GB of RAM? My iPad can run productivity software with 1GB of RAM. It seems fine to me.

If you seriously need to fill out a form and pull information from 25 various sites/emails/other sources, use a computer.
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Look, I'm not disagreeing with you. If you think it's enough for you, that's fair enough. I don't think it's enough for me.

I bought my retina mini iPad within something like two weeks, I think, of the launch. I was lucky to be in the US at the time, and I chased it everywhere as there was no stock on the T-Mobile LTE version. It was kindof funny to see my cheap, old, crappy Nexus 4 offering a better all-around experience, with fewer reloads, than my state-of-the-art, $900 iPad.

So, personally, I'd take more RAM and a slower CPU instead of the other way around. I think it makes an overall better user experience.
 
symphara said:
Look, I'm not disagreeing with you. If you think it's enough for you, that's fair enough. I don't think it's enough for me.

I bought my retina mini iPad within something like two weeks, I think, of the launch. I was lucky to be in the US at the time, and I chased it everywhere as there was no stock on the T-Mobile LTE version. It was kindof funny to see my cheap, old, crappy Nexus 4 offering a better all-around experience, with fewer reloads, than my state-of-the-art, $900 iPad.

So, personally, I'd take more RAM and a slower CPU instead of the other way around. I think it makes an overall better user experience.
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Then can these arguments with regards to "it is 2015, we need at least 3GB of RAM and even then it is too low!" stop?

Just because Android phones have it, doesn't mean we have to have it too.
 
Dmunjal said:
The cost of the CPU stays about the same every year. But the cost or RAM (and NAND) goes down every year.

http://www.techinsights.com/teardown.com/apple-iphone-6/

Yes, they are being cheap or greedy or both.

You, as the buyer are paying for Apple's exorbitant margins and profits.
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Thanks for that link. It shows that the 1 gig of RAM in the iPhone 6 cost a bit more than $5. So for projected sales of 80 million iPhones this year, an additional gig would be a non trivial 400 million dollars.

Sure, Android phones put more RAM in their phones, but they have to because the OS cannot run on less. But the OS is free courtesy Google, and the lower build quality on most Androids saves considerable money. I don't think you can say greed (or altruism) is responsible for these decisions, they are simply business decisions for both Apple and Android makers.

All that said, I'm delighted that Apple is stepping up to 2 gigs of RAM. I'm planning on buying a 6S to replace my 5. That should fix my reloading web page and app reloading issues completely.
 
xWhiplash said:
But 1GB IS ENOUGH! I am one of those people that do not care if their tab reloads. I do not fill out important forms on my phone. I use a computer for that.

Like other have stated: More RAM is nice, but 1GB indeed was GOOD. We never had any serious issues with it. Sure tabs reloading can be irritating, but it wasn't like the phone reset every 10 minutes due to lack of RAM.

You guys make it sound like your iPhone was reloading every 10 minutes and giving you OUT OF RAM messages CONSTANTLY. I never do multitasking with my phones, and 1GB was certainly enough to handle the active app and active tab without any issues.
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My iPhone 5 is reloading much more than every 10 minutes with intensive use of multiple apps. You might be willing to take the battery hit of reloading pages and apps and have an unlimited data plan with incredible always on carrier coverage and be willing to wait for pages to reload, but many of us will be happy to purchase the new iPhone. You certainly are not required to buy a new iPhone, and the older models are still available to those folks with some sort of religious issue with more RAM.
 
citysnaps said:
Your assertion that's a true argument is correct. Evidence to support that is the huge success Apple is enjoying, supported by their outstanding financial performance. That's also bolstered by, for example, Samsung's continuing poor financial performance in their Mobile Communications business unit. People are willing to open their wallet and pay more for a superior smartphone.
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No, it's not an argument at all. It's call a non-sequitur. Apple makes lots of money because it sells cheaply made and under-powered phones at expensive prices, giving it huge margins. The proof is clear with the small amount of memory, and there are other examples.
 
xWhiplash said:
Wireless charging is worse on your battery though. There was an article posted recently that stated a few things. One of them was wireless charging was harmful because it gets the battery too hot.
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While I have no interest in wireless charging, I have to call BS on this one. Batteries have longer lives with slow charging. Not a big issue with wireless versus plugged in cell phone charging, but for electric cars it is an issue. Rapid chargers heat batteries, not slow chargers.
 
xWhiplash said:
But 1GB IS ENOUGH! I am one of those people that do not care if their tab reloads. I do not fill out important forms on my phone. I use a computer for that.

Like other have stated: More RAM is nice, but 1GB indeed was GOOD. We never had any serious issues with it. Sure tabs reloading can be irritating, but it wasn't like the phone reset every 10 minutes due to lack of RAM.

You guys make it sound like your iPhone was reloading every 10 minutes and giving you OUT OF RAM messages CONSTANTLY. I never do multitasking with my phones, and 1GB was certainly enough to handle the active app and active tab without any issues.
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Enough for what? If you don't use your phone much it might be ok but everyone uses their phone differently and the more applications you use and the more you do with them the more memory is required, otherwise performance suffers.

But I guess what you're saying is that the iphone is more of a fashion item or a toy, rather than a serious tool, and the amount of memory it has reflects that.
 
xWhiplash said:
Wireless charging is worse on your battery though. There was an article posted recently that stated a few things. One of them was wireless charging was harmful because it gets the battery too hot.
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Did you read the article on The Onion?
 
xWhiplash said:
Again, I said that having more RAM is good. But 1GB was certainly good too.

And that is why we need to stop this argument that "Oh even 2GB of RAM in 2015 is a joke, we need 3GB or 4GB" arguments. Just like the "16GB of storage in 2015 is a joke" arguments are ridiculous. Since when did a year define how much storage or RAM we need? So you are saying December 31st 2014, 1GB and 16GB were fine, but as soon as January 1st 2015 hit, they are suddenly "not good enough"?

1GB on an iPhone is ONLY...ONLY a serious issue if it can never open apps and CONSTANTLY gives us out of memory errors. Did the iPhone 6 do that? No. Other than the tab refreshing, have there been any serious issues with 1GB of RAM? My iPad can run productivity software with 1GB of RAM. It seems fine to me.

If you seriously need to fill out a form and pull information from 25 various sites/emails/other sources, use a computer.
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You can be in denial all you want but there it's a lot more than just "tabs refreshing".

Maybe try keeping an open mind and read the responses of others who had ram issues. Like the fact that spotify have to restart?
 
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