How does the new system work when unplugging the monitor and taking the laptop, and then returning it to the monitor? Does everything go back to the way it was or do you have to move everything around like now?
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Video Shows Differences Between Mavericks and Mountain Lion Multiple Monitor Support
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I believe the solution is to attach a large HD display as one of the monitors rather than have it tiled across 6 'small' displays. Revised implementation appears more logical to me. However, I can see the hesitation of those who have already invested in multiple monitors.
So, in order to solve many real-world problems, it broke this guy's pretty 6-screen wallpaper and simultaneous space-switching setup. I know a LOT of video editors who want to have fullscreen timeline and control on one screen, and preview on another. I think it's likely that you can't have both, but also remember this is a beta, and much of the OSX team was working on iOS 7.
Dock doesn't pop up on the "above" ext lcd
For me, the major problem is the dock (maybe it will be corrected, I hope so).
I noticed that, if I use my eternal monitor, I can make pop up the dock bar on the second monitor ONLY if I decide to set up the ext lcd on the right or on the left of the MB main screen (or up in diagonal).
BUT, I have it physically placed ABOVE my MBP, so, if I set up it "above" (inside display configuration on preference panel), the dock won't pop up anymore on the ext display.
Bye!
Andrea
For me, the major problem is the dock (maybe it will be corrected, I hope so).
I noticed that, if I use my eternal monitor, I can make pop up the dock bar on the second monitor ONLY if I decide to set up the ext lcd on the right or on the left of the MB main screen (or up in diagonal).
BUT, I have it physically placed ABOVE my MBP, so, if I set up it "above" (inside display configuration on preference panel), the dock won't pop up anymore on the ext display.
Bye!
Andrea
Um. This software is in private beta and developers sign an NDA to have access to the software. This guy is in violation of the developer's agreement and should be expelled from the program. I'm not trying to be a dick, but there is a reason that companies ask beta participants not to reveal details before the software is released. Early publication of flaws that may never make it into production can damage a product's reputation.
I am running Mavericks on two non-production machines and I will not violate my NDA by discussing the functionality. I am also a beta tester on Parallels 9. You get the privilege of using software early and sometimes end up with a free copy of the software, but are expected to keep private your opinions while in beta.
I have no idea how this will work when Mavericks is released, but this guy should have sent his opinions to Apple, not published them on the web in violation of what he agreed to.
I am running Mavericks on two non-production machines and I will not violate my NDA by discussing the functionality. I am also a beta tester on Parallels 9. You get the privilege of using software early and sometimes end up with a free copy of the software, but are expected to keep private your opinions while in beta.
I have no idea how this will work when Mavericks is released, but this guy should have sent his opinions to Apple, not published them on the web in violation of what he agreed to.
imagine OSX ML could always be switched individually like in Mavericks. Now, in ML, they actually changed it so all monitors will be changed at once in Spaces. This is the opposite of what happened. But please imagine with me. What do you think people would have complained? Well, they will say, "what? I have to switch ALL MY SPACES AT ONCE?" What if I just want to switch one monitor and keep the others fixed because those are my static windows for emails and status, etc.?? If you let me switch individually, at least I can still switch all of them, one by one. Now, I don't even have that choice! I must switch everything at once???"
See, I think the opposite of it was a bigger problem, so I think this Maverick change that happens today in the real world is actually better.
People shouldn't complain about EVERYTHING. They need to think about the cons associated with the old method....
Six displays is a very unique use case. The multiple displays support in Mavericks seems to be much improved when you're using two displays. This is kind of a ridiculous example.
WTF? If he's in violation of Apple's terms of service, then Apple should handle the situation accordingly. There is no value in coming onto this forum and spouting something like this. Either send him a message explaining this and let him decide how to respond or send Apple a message to bring this to their attention (go with the former, imo). But coming on to this forum to say "Hey, look at me, I don't violate TOS!!!!!" is self-righteous bs.
The update allows a power user to use multiple screens independently. That is fantastic! And all that guy in the video can do is whine and complain that his composite image method across multiple screens has changed but mind you is still very simply possible. I am putting that video in the nearly pointless category.
SO he doesn't like it in Mavericks because he can't see his pretty wallpaper on all 6 screens when he switches one of them?
What a "nightmare"...
You can and will be able to. It's all part of the settings. Additionally remember that this is an early beta. Features will be added and changed before the final release.
This guy cares more about wallpaper than being productive.
Heh, yep. Been a part of a few NDAs (some tech, game based) and part of the NDA was explicitly not mentioning you were part of said program, but tied to an NDA. Not sure if that's the case with Apple, but I would find it amusing if the poster violated his NDA to point out the NDA violations of another.
Apparently, you have no compunction with taking advantage of someone else's unethical behavior. If you have no moral foundation for your life then that's your choice, but to call someone self-righteous for pointing out that the very existence of this thread is based on someone doing something unethical is over the line. Maybe what I should do is bring it to the moderator's attention that this entire thread and posting is in support of someone who is behaving unethically. I actually wish this site allowed me to tell you what I really think of your response, but unfortunately I can't.
Agreed.
Everybody with six monitors who has setup spanning wallpapers is going to be seriously impaired. /s
I don't know about most folks, but I find spanning applications across monitors to be annoying because of that double-bezel that kinda gets in the way. Mavericks provides a way to move apps between monitors -- which is the only reason I ever let apps span monitors (i.e.: to drag then on to one monitor and then drag them off the other).
The ONLY concern I would have here is if apps like Parallels or VMWare Fusion are viewed as "one app" that is restricted to a single monitor. The windows generated by virtual machines in Unity or Coherence mode. Maybe Photoshop with its floating toolbar windows is another reason to let an app span monitors, but maybe developers can open the windows in a way via the OS X API's that would allow that -- who knows.
I'm really glad I don't use virtual machines to run Windows any more. I no longer have to worry about it consuming my resources now that I have Mac native versions of all the apps I use (and I have found substitutes for any app that failed to properly support Mac -- looking at you Intuit/Quicken).
Flaws flaws flaws.... it seems to be a new trend at Apple
But none the less, Maverick does seems promising to me! Can't wait to test it.
So they suck but you can't wait to test it??
Also, "flaws flaws flaws"?? It's a DP for crying out loud!!!!!
You used multiple monitors, and your GPU got fried. But those two things are completely unrelated.
But he IS correct that this guy violated his NDA. I see you are not a fan of personal accountability...
And in this video.. [pause] I'll be showing you how multiple screens work.. [pause] in OS X.. [pause] Maverick[s?]
Congratulations at killing a straw-man. If this is significant enough of an issue for you, contact Apple and even the moderators of this forum. My main suggestion was to contact the person who made the video, because upon realizing it is violating the Apple's TOS for private betas, they might take down their video. If you think this is a really serious issue for Apple, then contact them and let them handle it. At worst, this is a civil issue between Apple and this person. You have no role to play except, at most, bringing it to the attention of the relevant parties. That is all. You, with your holier-than-thou attitude, are simply looking to get kudos for your "morality" at best and trolling at worst. Get off your high-horse.
EDIT: deleted a personal attack that I wrote on the internet and I sincerely apologize for
Btw, there is nothing that this guy showed that wasn't shown fairly clearly during the keynote. What did he show: 1) each monitor has its own dock and menubar 2) a space on each monitor switches independently of other monitors. Both of these things were in the keynote. The fact that all monitors cannot be switched simultaneously and that apps cannot be extended across multiple monitors is a very logical implementation given this setup.
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I didn't say he was incorrect. I even suggested he contact the person who made the video and tell him as much. Coming on to this forum and saying "Hey, I didn't do it, please congratulate me and tell me I'm awesome" is self-righteous bs.
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The way multiple screens works in 10.9 is awesome. My main iMac has a second screen and I've always found I didn't manage to use it as much as I would have really wanted. With the new way I've been using my second monitor a lot more
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Having each monitor operate independently makes a lot more sense. Say I have 2 monitors, one with Xcode and an image editor running on a different space and another with the iOS simulator. While I might want to switch to the image editor it doesn't mean I want to switch the space on the second monitor (say from the iOS simulator to another space that has no applications running)
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Having each monitor operate independently makes a lot more sense. Say I have 2 monitors, one with Xcode and an image editor running on a different space and another with the iOS simulator. While I might want to switch to the image editor it doesn't mean I want to switch the space on the second monitor (say from the iOS simulator to another space that has no applications running)
(I will be honest in that I did not read all the previous replies to this thread, so if I am repeating what someone else said I apologize.)
Edit: This is what I was talking about (found on page 3)
Personally, I think the easiest solution to this and most issues with full screen apps is to stop giving them "their own space." I guess to try and clarify what I mean, take VLC media player for example, when it goes full screen is does not create its own space but rather extends to cover the desktop and all other apps on it. This way, in a multiple monitor setup each screen has the same number of "spaces" (if that is what I can call it), but you can have full screen apps on some screens with regular desktops on others AND you can still stretch apps accross multiple screens as every monitor is on the same "space." As in, when I would go to mission control, every monitor would show the same number of spaces.
Hopefully this makes sense. Just my 2C.
Edit: This is what I was talking about (found on page 3)
Personally, I think the easiest solution to this and most issues with full screen apps is to stop giving them "their own space." I guess to try and clarify what I mean, take VLC media player for example, when it goes full screen is does not create its own space but rather extends to cover the desktop and all other apps on it. This way, in a multiple monitor setup each screen has the same number of "spaces" (if that is what I can call it), but you can have full screen apps on some screens with regular desktops on others AND you can still stretch apps accross multiple screens as every monitor is on the same "space." As in, when I would go to mission control, every monitor would show the same number of spaces.
Hopefully this makes sense. Just my 2C.
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I know, I know. However, I can't get past the fact that using an external monitor had an appreciable effect on how hard the machine seemed to need to work. It got hotter, fans worked more, etc. Apparently, my MBP wasn't one of the ones with the faulty GPU, but whatever. It just seemed coincidental that the thing to blow was the think I was overworking most. And it really miffed me when they told me that I may as well get a while new machine because of it, as the GPU was part of the motherboard.
It's all moot now anyway, I have an iMac and I'm happy. I'd be very curious to try a new MBP someday though and see how well it handles things like graphics load.
Thanks for this explanation. It wasn't clear from the summary that this inability was actually a Spaces problem. I hope Apple comes up with a workaround that is suitable for most people.
Is this true? It says "application windows" in the summary but doesn't say if that's just a single application window across multiple screens or whether different windows from the same application are included in here as well. (I'm beginning to suspect it's the latter, which I see as being quite unfortunate; I was describing the former in my original post.)
I can see this being a problem. I like switching between different "contexts" that are spread across multiple monitors--on one context I'd be researching a CSS trick, on the other, I'd have image editing tools, each occupying both monitors. With ML, I can switch back and forth with ease--swipe across the mouse. Now, I have to swipe on one screen then the other to match both screens to one context. If I have three or more contexts, this can really get out of control.
My guess is that they were trying to amend the problem of dead spaces when you have a single full-screen app. I think they could've done this better what's being shown (e.g. maybe add new spaces to other monitors when you make an app full-screen, selective-linking spaces to switch together, and so on). But nothing can really help the fact that full-screen apps aren't all that useful on a full-blown PC...
PS. If you want to have an app always present on a screen, you can do that in ML. Ctrl+click on an app on Dock > Options > Assign to All Desktops. I do this to keep my email client visible all the time.