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Can you all help me out a bit?

I need to have XP Pro for law school exams. Can I install that onto my Mac via virtual PC? How is virtual PC able to store Apps on a Mac anyway? Do they not appear in the 'applications' folder, but somewhere buried inside the VPC app itself?

I'm hoping I can use this to take my exams and not have to borrow/buy a XP Pro machine. Help!
 
GetSome681 said:
Do you think it's fast enough to play an old (say '95) 2d game?
I'm also interested in knowing if it will play DOS games.

I've got a few (like Acclaim's Bust-A-Move 2) that don't run on Windows XP for some reason (keeps asking for the CD even though it's in the drive) and some others (like EA's Magic Carpet) that I can't seem to configure properly for sound (it's either silent or it crashes.)

They work fine in a real DOS environment (or even the one underneath Win98), so hopefully they'll work on a VPC system.
 
I'd love to play Jedi Knight: Dark Forces 2, Rayman 2: The Great Escape, Simcity 3000, and possibly Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver....among a few from the same era I'm forgetting.
 
corywoolf said:
Great points! Do you like the new imac?
I like it quite a bit. But I won't get one because I'm a huge fan of dual-processor systems and the iMac only has one processor.

I'll get a G5 (or maybe G6, depending on how long I wait) tower of some kind when my existing G4 tower (dual 1GHz) starts to get too old - but I don't see that happening for several more years.

Of course, this will change when dual-core PPC 970s come out. They would make a dual-processor iMac possible. But when those chips ship, Apple will probably start shipping towers with two dual-core processors and then I'll want a 4-way system :D
 
greenmonsterman said:
Now that Microsoft owns VPC, you can pollute your Mac with two MS products for the price of one! Where do I sign up?


Yeah yeah, "cross platform testing on one machine" bah.
Yeah, you don't have any need for VPC...why should anyone else? :rolleyes:
 
porky said:
Ok, just one question, will it run Autocad 2000? Who can answer this?
If not, Steve, please buy Autodesk! :D


YES THIS QUESTION IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE. hence the CAPITALIZATION. a native port would be better, but hey if i can see this thing running...decently...on a dual g5 I CAN FINALLY SWITCH EVERYTHING TO MAC.

thank you god

jaromski
 
EminenceGrise said:
Because the G5 does not support the 'pseudo-little-endian' mode that the G3 and G4 chips did. PPC chips are 'big-endian', while x86 chips are 'little-endian'.
Almost.

The PPC architecture allows for chips to be built to either "endian". Until the G5, all chips in the series could go either way, and could be switched on the fly. This is what VPC did.

IBM removed the little-endian capabilities from the PPC 970. They probably thought nobody would care, since the little-endian PPC operating systems (like Windows NT/PPC and OS/2 PPC) never really went anywhere and are little more than historic footnotes today. As far as I know, VPC is the only software product that ever used it.
EminenceGrise said:
Endian'ness' refers to which way the binary numbers are formatted with respect to the inner workings of the CPU (whether the first bit in a number is the 'most significant' bit or 'least significant' bit). It would be analagous to the difference between writing the number one-thousand left to right as "1000" or right to left as "0001".
Technically correct, but the order of bits within a byte, while significant for someone designing a processor or designing support chips to interface to a processor, is almost never of importance to software.

Most of the time, the term refers to the order of bytes that comprise multi-byte numbers (most commonly 16-, 32- and 64-bit integers, and 4- and 8-byte floats.)

For instance, the 64-bit hexadecimal number 0x123456789ABCDEF0 stored at address zero on a big-endian machine would have the following values in memory:
0:0x12 1:0x34 2:0x56 3:0x78
4:0x9A 5:0xBC 6:0xDE 7:0xF0

On a little-endian machine, the same number at the same location would have the following values in memory:
0:0xF0 1:0xDE 2:0xBC 3:0x9A
4:0x78 5:0x56 6:0x34 7:0x12

There are other byte orderings than these two, but you aren't likely to find them used in modern processors.

There are technical advantages and disadvantages to both representations and arguing which is "better" usually results in a religious flame-war. The big deal is that it's far easier to emulate a chip when your own processor supports the same byte ordering. When IBM removed little-endian capability from the PowerPC, it forced Connectix (and later Microsoft) to make a very substantial change to VPC in order to remain compatible.
EminenceGrise said:
The pseudo little endian mode of the G3 and G4 allowed you to tell the CPU "this is a little endian number" and the CPU would do whatever conversions necessary to work with it,
I know that these mixed-mode instructions exist, but I thought VPC actually switches the CPU in and out of little-endian mode to do the x86 emulation.
EminenceGrise said:
making it a bit easier to work with binary x86 code - the PPC CPU could do some of the emulation work that would otherwise have to be done in software. The G5 doesn't have this mode, so MS had to go through all of the VPC code and remove any dependencies on it (for the G5 at least), come up with a software method of implementing the same function, and then test it to make sure it worked. Not an entirely trivial task.
About this, we're in complete agreement.
 
I'll reserve judgement until I see benchmarks and hear user reports, but I really hope this is a big improvement over version 6. You would think that Microsoft would be the best ones to know how to get Windows running at its fastest, even if on emulated hardware.
 
Elan0204 said:
You would think that Microsoft would be the best ones to know how to get Windows running at its fastest, even if on emulated hardware.

I hate to be pessimistic....BUT....look how fast MS products run on "native" hardware. Doesn't leave much hope for "virtual" hardware now does it?

JaromSki

P.S. Autodesk if you can hear me port Autocad NOW!!! Help us cast off these shackles of virtual hardware!!! Besides any self-respecting architecture firm and/or design professional _requires_ mac. Simple math really.
 
ioinc said:
It's about time.

for some things you absolutely need it.

I am a full time student taking all internet classes.

When I complained to some of the school staff that you could not access all the features from a mac (using Safari or IE) they told me they were thinking about telling students that they did not support mac and recommended against buying a mac.

Maybe you should remind them that the internet is supposed to be accessable to everyone equally and not a platform specific medium. :rolleyes:
 
Office "Pro"

Good to see Office "Pro" is shipping on the same loose schedule as everything else these days...

Apple store shows a "September" shipping date.

And, of course, I actually NEED this to play nice in the 200 client Windows (and me and my Mac) office. They're killing the Citrix box this month and they just don't have too many ways to hook me into their oh-so-current Win 2000 environment...
 

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12ibookg4 said:
everybody wants to know how fast it runs, well here is what ms says. (screen shot from virtual tour)

All I care about is speed for Office type apps. 10-30% better than dog-ass-slow v.6 doesn't inspire much confidence. I don't want to play Windows games--I've got a PS2--but the occasional Access db or utility needs to be at a usable speed. Just make it usable, that's all I hope for.

I really want this to be a great product. I've got a 2.5ghz G5 with 2gigs of memory, so I think I've done my part. But I hope MS really put their heart into this product and didn't pull any of their dirty tricks by crippling it in some fashion.

If it is of the quality of Office for the Mac 2004, I will be very happy and gladly pay for it.
 
BornAgainMac said:
Someone here should buy it and install Doom III on it and give us a review on the performance. :)

and if it were playable I'd rethink every nasty thought I've ever had about Microsoft
 
BWhaler said:
All I care about is speed for Office type apps. 10-30% better than dog-ass-slow v.6 doesn't inspire much confidence. I don't want to play Windows games--I've got a PS2--but the occasional Access db or utility needs to be at a usable speed. Just make it usable, that's all I hope for.

MS Project!!!
 
requirements?

Is this thing only for G5 machines? Will it run on G4? I looked on the site and couldn't find hardware requirements anywhere...

I need visio and project... Thanks MS for not porting those :mad:
 
Internet Access?

I know a real estate agent that bought an iPod and now is planning to get a new iMac - problem is that one of the programs she has to use to access listing data is Windows only. It grabs data via the net. Will VPC7 work for her?
 
System Requirements

MS says that upgrade cards and accelerators are not supported. Being that I just purchased an upgrade for my machine bringing it from a single 466 7400 to a dual 1.33 7457, I'm a bit concerned.

I wonder if it simply will not work or if I simply cannot be supported for any issues that may crop up if I use it on a machine with an upgraded CPU.

Can anyone who may have a beta of this have anything to add?
 
Cooknn said:
I know a real estate agent that bought an iPod and now is planning to get a new iMac - problem is that one of the programs she has to use to access listing data is Windows only. It grabs data via the net. Will VPC7 work for her?

It should, barring some unforseen reason, of course. This is actually the perfect way to make a case for a mac - show that with emulators like this, there is virtually no windows programs that won't work.

And RIP - statements like that are common as far as not 'supporting' upgrade cards. It just means that the company isn't liable for any damage that may happen that could have happened anyway if a bug landed on the processor, cooked there, and burst into flames ;) You should probably not worry about it 'not being supported' - I'd be willing to bet it will work just fine.
 
Looks like it's still S3 chipset Emulation

The screenshot on the site shows the driver as being an S3 Trio 32/64 driver. I'm sure Doom 3 will fly on that...

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Cooknn said:
I know a real estate agent that bought an iPod and now is planning to get a new iMac - problem is that one of the programs she has to use to access listing data is Windows only. It grabs data via the net. Will VPC7 work for her?
Yes it will.
 
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