Vision Pro Demos at Apple Stores in UK, Canada, and More Begin July 12

[Hails09]

What a ridiculous argument.

The first iPhone was expensive, limited only to a single carrier, and didn’t have an App Store or a polished interface. Apple invested in promising tech that was still effectively in beta and over 15 years later, they’re extremely commonplace.

A mistake many make is assuming the MacRumors forum section is a representative sample of users or consumers. I use my Vision Pro every day, but I only post sporadically. I’m out using my device and getting a lot of out of it. I’m not going to spend every day dealing with rage addicts. These boards are magnets for the angry pessimists.

I can easily buy an iPhone today as well. You’re equating availability and demand now? Apple knew this device would appeal to a small number of users, that it would grow over time, just like every other piece of technology they sell, and that the investments they’re making today, year by year, will put them in a solid position as the immersive market comes into its own over the next generation.

Again, you’re in good company with the people who insisted the iPhone was dead, the iPad was dead, and the Apple Watch was dead. Vision Pro is the Airpods Max now? Wow, you’re going to pull something trying to find something to complain about. Apple sells multiple sets of headphones and the Max appeals to one particular subset of user. The day I was buying my Vision Pro I saw two pairs being sold. Not for me. I love the Airpods Pro. Vision Pro is a first generation immersive headset. The technology will grow over time. When the fifth or sixth generation is coming out you’ll no doubt be hoarse insisting it’s death is just around the corner. 😂😂

No what I said was they will be like the AirPods Max in that they have been out for 4 years & still not had a refresh.
The difference between all the products you mentioned was they actually do something that appeals to the general population.
The general public don’t have 3,500 just stuffed down the back of the sofa to buy one of these headsets that’s why there is no demand for it.
Most of the general public are struggling to pay their bills in this day and age.
You will be lucky if this gets a refresh within 4 years.

 

[Jonnod III]

No what I said was they will be like the AirPods Max in that they have been out for 4 years & still not had a refresh.
The difference between all the products you mentioned was they actually do something that appeals to the general population.
The general public don’t have 3,500 just stuffed down the back of the sofa to buy one of these headsets that’s why there is no demand for it.
Most of the general public are struggling to pay their bills in this day and age.
You will be lucky if this gets a refresh within 4 years.

Not everyone owns a Range Rover. Are they a successful vehicle brand?

 

[Hails09]

Not everyone owns a Range Rover. Are they a successful vehicle brand?

Difference is this is an Apple forum not Range Rover.

 

[thatsmyfish]

Ok everyone has an iPhone on this forum yet hardly anyone owns this?
If this product is as good as your saying then why does everyone not own an Apple Vision Pro headset in the USA?
Yet you can easily buy one right now yet there is no massive demand for this product now why would this be?
It will go the same way as AirPods Max been out for about 4 years with no refresh

No what I said was they will be like the AirPods Max in that they have been out for 4 years & still not had a refresh.
The difference between all the products you mentioned was they actually do something that appeals to the general population.
The general public don’t have 3,500 just stuffed down the back of the sofa to buy one of these headsets that’s why there is no demand for it.
Most of the general public are struggling to pay their bills in this day and age.
You will be lucky if this gets a refresh within 4 years.

There will be notable software improvements to Vision Pro and there will certainly be hardware improvements in the next update. I’m okay with Apple focusing on software to start. If the buzz was that the second model would be coming out soonish it would likely depress sales.

They’re getting the hardware in front of developers and in front of users who can afford it. I use mine daily. It’s a game changer. I purchased it mainly for privacy and multitasking in groups. Immersive video is an absolute game changer. As it becomes more polished and available and cheaper it’s going to steamroll. I’m 100% certain.

Your arguments are biased to fit your position. People can barely afford to pay their bills? Okay, then they’re buying the cheapest iPhones only and those are the #1 seller, correct? You don’t think it 10-15 years the ability to go to work, put on a light, thin pair of glasses or headset and have a full virtual workplace with the ability to pitch perfect video conferencing, virtual monitors and connectivity has personal or commercial purposes? Forget your work office. Anywhere you put your headset on is your office.

Apple is aiming for a generation down the road. This is the first step. That you have your fingers in your eyes and your eyes squeezed shut insisting it’s not happening and it’s doomed is comforting, as there is always that very wrong minority.

 

[MacAddict1978]

God no! Lol. The AVP isn’t ready for 10+ million users yet. There are only a little over 2,000 native apps and a lot of the stock Apple apps aren’t updated. visionOS still needs basic features added to it. Leave it to enthusiasts for right now to straighten out the bugs and prepare Apple for a more commercial ready headset.

Also, it’s a risk developers will have to take. Most are aware that a AVP 2 and/or cheaper AV headset is coming in the next couple of years.

What basic features do you feel it is missing?

While I think the navigation is cool and well done, I personally feel not having a native controller was the biggest miss - especially in attracting gaming developers. It's fully capable of running VR games except that.... well, you can't control them properly.

Tons of potential for commercial use but consumer use is where its lacking.

 

[MacAddict1978]

Please. You sound like the people screaming the iPad was DOA. Keep doubling down.

Written from my AVP.

This!

The iPad floundered a little bit the first gen. People forget that. Granted, you need to consider the pricing differences when looking a unit volume - but it only sold 15 million between 2010 and 2011 and then after Gen 2 fixed some things it sold 73.4 million in 2012. Granted, a $499 iPad compared to a $3500 headset is very different - but its way too soon to call AVP DOA.

 

[MacAddict1978]

No what I said was they will be like the AirPods Max in that they have been out for 4 years & still not had a refresh.
The difference between all the products you mentioned was they actually do something that appeals to the general population.
The general public don’t have 3,500 just stuffed down the back of the sofa to buy one of these headsets that’s why there is no demand for it.
Most of the general public are struggling to pay their bills in this day and age.
You will be lucky if this gets a refresh within 4 years.

AVP is not a mass consumer device for the general public - that's the bonus market. Apple is very much marketing the "pro" device and "professionals" and business. I also think they realize this is an incubator product that needs time to bloom with app development.

I have seen some demos of apps being developed in the healthcare space that was likely years away from hitting the market that are groundbreaking that are still in very early stages of development.

Do you think every HVAC guy has worked on every model of every system every made? Imagine being able to strap on an AVP and have AR guide you through the specifics of a repair - or apply that to auto repair.

Microsoft was really pushing towards that reality with Hololens- but their hardware was just not there yet using laser beams. AVP solves almost all those pain points. Hololens 3 exists but exclusive with the military - and if Apple has a problem to solve with breaking into the commercial space, it's that business largely does not use the Mac.

 

[Jonnod III]

Difference is this is an Apple forum not Range Rover.

Sorry, that's a non-sequitur.

Is Range Rover a successful car, despite the fact that many other brands outsell it?

 

[ILoveCalvinCool]

Please. You sound like the people screaming the iPad was DOA. Keep doubling down.

Written from my AVP.

There are also many Apple products that have, in fact, failed. Cherrypicking the successful ones in order to argue that any given Apple product will also be successful is called "confirmation bias".

Written from my G4 Cube.