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Vision Pro Expected to Launch Internationally Soon After Apple Unveils visionOS 2 at WWDC
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No thanks, this things is 10 generations away before I even consider it
It’s fundamentally a more advanced computing platform that traditional computing platforms, so that’s natural and totally OK.
Getting by with existing tools is an important skill requiring patience, creativity, and retrospection to explore expanding and emulating old habits on new platforms towards potentially more convenient, productive, or rewarding means of doing such things.
This is potentially disappointing for anyone outside the USA who wanted to experience the new Apple platform from version 1.0.
Apple appears to be suffering from the sunk cost fallacy. They dumped so much money into this product that they can't give up on it even though it is manifestly clear that it is unneeded and unwanted. Meanwhile Nvidia is eating their lunch when Apple Silicon should have been leading the way.
…You don’t know Apple’s criteria for succces to say such a thing—especially a prosumer product that wasn’t ever intended to be sold at mainstream scale just like their other prosumer hardware that isn’t for or makes sense for most people.
It’s a terrible example to bring up a GPU company who do all the time what Apple may be doing (and already rumored to sensically) with their binning strategies—especially Nvidia who is renowned for doing so contributing much to their great success today:
Highest-end GPU enables the economy of scale and defects for lower-end products to be made based off them.
This model makes sense as High-end GPUs are sought after reliably by prosumers and other high-end audiences in addition to being an unavoidably more expensive processing unit tackling harder problems.
Such a strategy helps lower-end audiences have access to such GPUs they otherwise would not afford closer to similar parts associated with it (CPU, monitor, etc).
It’s no different for the XR headset market and XR device category in general being fundamentally being a more expensive computing platform to get into to maximize its advantages over existing traditional platforms.
This is understood by prosumers and up, but not average computer users with basic computing needs.
Any headset (standalone or not) has to rival and exceed the costs of traditional computing platforms (consoles, laptops, tablets, and desktops) to provide a comparator superior experience: Whether the Valve Index, PSVR2, Vision Pro. Even the Quest Pro that has a mobile-class APU (which is a problem for AAA gamers wanting a XR experience on par or superior than current gen gaming).
Otherwise you have to lose money or significantly compromise the point of a XR headset/product (Meta’s approach that has a meaningful following after years of doing so)
Regardless the Vision Pro paves the way for its displays and other current high-end components to be used by lesser headsets and other products in the future with manufacturers willing to make the parts at a scale they previously weren’t willing to before its existence.
For example the Vision Pro MicroOLED display tech can and likely will be repurposed for the Apple Watch, iPhone, and other displays in a matter faster than before its existence.
Apple will somehow survive
You sound just like Steve Ballmer re: original iPhone and will be just as wrong as he was.
Did I miss the MacRumors article that predicted VisionOS 2 at WWDC?
Cool if true though. OS 1.2 is starting to feel stale, though a couple of new titles have found their way to the platform.
Cool if true though. OS 1.2 is starting to feel stale, though a couple of new titles have found their way to the platform.
Do you seriously suggest that the Apple headset is positioned just like the iPhone was? Think about it for a minute before you respond.
I guess we will find out in 17 years. Lol.
I think Steve Ballmer didn't think the iPhone would succeed. You seem to forget...iPhone started small. And while this isn't a high volume item it's visionOS that IS THE FUTURE...and yeah, after having this for 2 weeks I have put a LOT of thought into it. I no longer like using my iPhone....frankly I'm not sure I'll upgrade for quite a while from my 15 Pro Max. But the next AVP? Yes.
I feel the vision pro will go down a path similar to the Apple Watch. It wasn't a hit right away (though more people arguably were willing to give the Apple Watch a go because of its lower price tag), and Apple admittedly didn't seem entire sure what it was good for at the start either. But they didn't can the project right away. Instead, Apple continued to gather feedback, iterate and improve on the product year after year, and you have a very capable and profitable product today in its own right.
I think people are too quick to criticise Apple and write off anything they do, perhaps because they feel it's "cool" and "edgy" to be dunking on the incumbent. What I see a lot of people still do today is that they just treat Apple as any other company. But Apple does a lot of things differently, and if all you are doing is simply comparing Apple to everyone else and then go “Hey, Apple isn’t following what everyone else is doing, so I don’t think whatever Apple is doing is going to work”, then I think they go down the wrong path.
So if you say you don't want to buy a vision pro right away because it's too expensive, or the software isn't there, or you are waiting for Gen 2.0 with the M4 or M5 chip, that's totally acceptable, but I also feel it's too early to write off this product category based on those criticisms alone. Knowing Apple, they will stick by it, they will do whatever it takes to make it a success, and that alone is enough to make me content to wait for however long it takes.
I have a use case and would love some guidance. I’m currently engaging an architect to draw a home I’m building and would love to use VP to experience the plans. They already build some great renders, but that is not interactive to the point where I can address user experience of the home in a more exploratory manner.
Does anyone have directions I can point my architect in to how we get there? They have suggested unreal engine to create the environment, but I’m a little behind on this tech.
Does anyone have directions I can point my architect in to how we get there? They have suggested unreal engine to create the environment, but I’m a little behind on this tech.
First generation is for early adopters and the Fortune 1000 to Government. The first consumer models will be paired down considerably and around $1500-$2k US.
Happy to hear about international expansion. Will be nice if availability expands to even more countries throughout the year.
This argument is tired. AVP is a whole new dynamic in computing. It is more comparable to the release of the first macintosh than it is to the release of the iPhone. You want us to write a bulleted list of specifics for a general audience as to why the AVP is useful for YOU? I can't do that; it's a generalized computing device. I find it useful for ME, in my business and professional life...but I am not you and you are not me. My use case likely won't apply to you.
I own an iPhone, MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, Apple Watch etc...and none of them compare to the work I've been able to do with my AVP.
I can't tell you what YOU need the AVP for. You can only decide that for yourself. And if you have no need for it, that's an "n" of one. It's not applicable to anyone else but you.
So, don't buy it, and move on.
You mean like how writing a letter wasn't a "real" thing? Or receiving a telegram? Or taking a photograph? Or hearing a radio broadcast? Or going to a movie? Or watching a tv show? Or making a phone call? Or writing an email? Or sending a text message? Or making a video call? ...
Where and when did you draw the line as to what is a "real" thing? Or are you making an arbitrary argument that only applies to the AVP?
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See earlier reply. Already does.
Glad you have the means and health to do those things. Not the case for many people.
An 8 foot display screen is not an option on any of those.
Absolutely. Does just fine with the M2.
Yes. There are already virtual goggles used in surgery which are in the $100K (?) range.
Yes. Think of the robots they used in Fukushima.
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