Partly true. But look; How many of the Mac's that could do that were really sold? And how many of the goggles are really used for this? This discussion is only hypothetical anyway...
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visionOS 2.2 Beta Adds Wide and Ultrawide Modes to Mac Virtual Display
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And a MacBook Air would be easier to carry around, plus it has the keyboard and trackpad already in it.
I am not using any Intel MBP - I am using an iMP ( aka iMac PRO ) as my production machine for the office - I never install BETA versions on things that are meant for earning money
( I did that in the past with disastrous resutls - thus I always wait on productive equipment until others have tested it - my AVp is no proaction equipment it is a very welcome playground )
AVP worked fine in my Intel iMP as virtual display BEFORE I updated the AVP to beta 2.2.
I am also running 15.1 on my M1 MAX MBP and it works without flaws with may AVP with 2.2 beta.
Thus it is most likely as i said - Apple is concentrating on their own SoCs for the Betas - nothing dramatic - I guess all will get sorted out once 15.2 is released.
fully agreed - the AVP is a game changer - not participating in exploring it would be a big miss - I love ever new aspect it brings.
The virtual display is just another addition to the rich feature set and it's still only the beginning.
What Apple might be doing is a totally virtual MAC.
In other words:
- Every device might be able to stream to any other device it's service
- We see that already with the iPhone being available on MACs
- AVP can stream to the Apple TV
- MACs can stream to the AVP
- This service could be used for all kinds of things like:
- a wireless Apple Vision setup
- virtual MAC on any device
iMac Pro is Intel, so you should be able to do what I recommended, and get the AVP to work again.I am not using any Intel MBP - I am using an iMP ( aka iMac PRO ) as my production machine for the office - I never install BETA versions on things that are meant for earning money
( I did that in the past with disastrous resutls - thus I always wait on productive equipment until others have tested it - my AVp is no proaction equipment it is a very welcome playground )
AVP worked fine in my Intel iMP as virtual display BEFORE I updated the AVP to beta 2.2.
I am also running 15.1 on my M1 MAX MBP and it works without flaws with may AVP with 2.2 beta.
Thus it is most likely as i said - Apple is concentrating on their own SoCs for the Betas - nothing dramatic - I guess all will get sorted out once 15.2 is released.
AVP should connect with Virtual Display to macOS 15.1 but it will not have the performance improvements on the new Beta.
I researched 15.2 Beta 2 (Release notes and Forum feedback) and decided that it was safe enough to install it on my production MBP M1 Max.
Figured that out as well - I am constantly traveling on business purposes for the upcoming four weeks - by the end of that the final 15.2 will be out anyway.
I don't trust beta versions on production equipment at all. My individual choice.
Great to see things moving and to see the constant improvements. We’re living in thrilling times.
I’ve been using the new Virtual Display settings since the Beta dropped, and it has completely transformed my AVP usage (which was already daily).
I agree with another post I read… this IS the game changing feature. Anybody that is considering getting one but is put off by all the haters on here (and other places), that probably not only don’t own one, but haven’t even tried one… ignore them. Do yourself a favour and try it for yourself.
I agree with another post I read… this IS the game changing feature. Anybody that is considering getting one but is put off by all the haters on here (and other places), that probably not only don’t own one, but haven’t even tried one… ignore them. Do yourself a favour and try it for yourself.
the resolution is doubled/retina at 2x so it is rendering 10240x5760. Which you can also select manually but everything is too small.
yes - figured that out in the meantime.
Just don't feel the need to take any risk on my data by using the 15.2 beta yet - we'll see that in a few weeks anyway in the production version of the software.
What flashes me most is the fact that Multi Megapixel are generated in 60 Hz and transferred as a virtual display wirelessly - that's just amazing.
- Is this done peer to peer - with a direct WiFi link?
- What is transferred - all the pixel and the AVP does the down mixing?
- What is the latency?
I usually have extra Macs for beta testing, but at this time, only one MacBook Pro M1, the rest are Intel, so I had to make a careful decision to install the beta.
My Mac is way overdo a full reinstall, so I figured that if I have a full Time Machine backup plus iCloud, I could easily restore all my data if I have to reinstall.
I haven’t found any serious bugs with this beta. It’s primarily the new features that may be buggy, and I don’t fully depend on these to work.
1) It requires WiFi and Bluetooth, I believe it does something like peer to peer, otherwise you will not be able to use it on an Airplane Like some people already have.
2) Your AVP creates a virtual Monitor that you can place anywhere you want.
3) Barely noticeable. In the previous version, latency was a nuisance, not in the current beta.
Currently i own 'only' two
( sold all previous ones after 3..5 years of using them - had been a very good return on investment after years of using them - no need to keep them - getting 35 .. 45 % of the value back is definitely nice )
Individual choice and we all benefit from guys like you taking all the risk - I am not that altruistic
I never did y complete new installation for the pst 15 years or so - my iMP is a consequent migration from my 2006 Mac Pro - still has some settings that cant be changed due to lack in hardware - funny thins like dual Ethernet
Great to hear
Saw that in the explanation as well - seems to be peer top peer - wold like to understand a bit better what's happening here?
My questions are more related to what is transmitted? is it the full double resolution and then renders down or an already rendered down version of the image?
Understood - my questions was more the how and not the facts. I'd like to understand what Apple is doing here and how they manage to cramp all the information into a wireless connection?
Do they apply any special network standard? What are the limitations? How to they transmit the data and what are the potential shortcomings?
I know that the under the hood questions might only be answered by Apple SW designers - but that would be the interesting part for me - since you and others report that it's working flawlessly well and that always raises the question what do they do different to others that obviously don't get a seamless user experience.
I am using WiDi with my top notch company DELL LapTop ( that I hardly ever use ) and it just doesn't work acceptable for me - in fact it works so bad that I almost consider it to be totally useless.
like many other game changing aspects of it.
What most people including Hartley from MacRumors do not get is that the optical fidelity of the device is the key value proposition of the AVP.
The ultra high unparalleled optical fidelity is the key aspect of it and the seamless immersion. The visual display is a work environment Apple creates like no other but the immersion in videos and story telling in games is as attractive.
Peopel who like having the bst of the best are the current customers for the AVP and it will take some time until the masses will receive a similar experiece. Buy then the weight and size and probably form factor will be massively different.
Yes it’s a real life 57” monitor.
The amazing thing of AVP is that one can have something similar in anywhere … coffee shop … if it works really well. Have to see it in person.
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…These aren’t glasses, and after using the new 21:9 and 31:9 ultra-wide modes I actually have severe less need to use an ultra wide minor again greatly simplifying my daily workflow.
It definitely minimizes my need to use my Macbook’s screen if I have it available on me.
I can use my Pro Display XDR for color accurate and final prod passes and use my Vision Pro whenever I want to be very productive engineering, designing, and so on.
It’s a huge deal to have ultra-wide productively wherever—whether sitting/standing on my desk, my eames lounge chair, couch, sleep number bed with the top raised, and so on.
Ergonomically speaking, the Vision Pro has innate advantages over any ultra wide monitor being spaced spatially, can be viewed in far better viewing angles, enables less distracting computing environments with its AR pass through tech , and has far better HDR performance + peak nits over any existing 5K2K monitor today.
The idea that the current AVP display emulation implementation is better than actually using an actual monitor is senseless. Ultrawide or not … aspect ratio is irrelevant for such an observation.
The real benefit comes from its portability and elasticity. Something very useful yet for occasions, not to be used as the default in the office. This provided that the resolution is very good. Otherwise either it’s unworkable, or will be fatiguing or you’ll be damaging your eyes. People only have two eyes and that is it.
Be careful.
PS: The previous post makes no sense. For one the user says that the usefulness of ultra wides is extremely reduced since adopting the Pro Display XDR. Yet right after argues the use of AVP to be very productive in comparison because of its ultra wide versatility. If we believe in this reasoning than we can only conclude that the bottom line is that the user have a sever less need to be very productive since he got the AVP … lolol.
We can all be excited 😆 for this new feature … test it, take it to bed has a Christmas gift and so on … but let’s not stop using our gray matter and use the proper tool in context.
The real benefit comes from its portability and elasticity. Something very useful yet for occasions, not to be used as the default in the office. This provided that the resolution is very good. Otherwise either it’s unworkable, or will be fatiguing or you’ll be damaging your eyes. People only have two eyes and that is it.
Be careful.
PS: The previous post makes no sense. For one the user says that the usefulness of ultra wides is extremely reduced since adopting the Pro Display XDR. Yet right after argues the use of AVP to be very productive in comparison because of its ultra wide versatility. If we believe in this reasoning than we can only conclude that the bottom line is that the user have a sever less need to be very productive since he got the AVP … lolol.
We can all be excited 😆 for this new feature … test it, take it to bed has a Christmas gift and so on … but let’s not stop using our gray matter and use the proper tool in context.
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Not at all. When I use the virtual displayI don't have to keep zooming as I do on my 27" Studio display. The virtual display, not even the ultra wide, is for me much better.
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