visionOS 2: Spatial Personas Can Touch Fingers, High Five, Fist Bump Each Other With Visual and Audio Feedback

[MrTemple]

There is no point????? I simply posted my experience with the AVP on a FORUM?! It doesn’t have to make a „point“? It’s called an opinion.

Let’s move on now 👏🏼

I guess I'm saying that it's not that I disagree with what you wrote.

It's just that you haven't actually expressed a point yet. You've just told us about the water you're floating in at this very moment, and for this water that means exactly nothing.

You're telling a story, cool, it's the same tired song we keep hearing about AVP:

"At this instant in the river the water is boring."

That means nothing.

These stories IMPLY a point though about the future of AVP, and that implication is just logically flawed.

I mean you can use plenty of points to argue about the future of the AVP, and we might disagree with them, but those wouldn't be logically flawed.

 

[contacos]

Well … one can only provide feedback on what is available now and how they decided to release it to the public and not on something that may or may not come.

Also I did indeed use the very first iPhone and it was revolutionary coming from a Nokia N Series and stylus phone

 

[MrTemple]

Also I did indeed use the very first iPhone and it was revolutionary coming from a Nokia N Series and stylus phone

How was it revolutionary? What did you do with it the first few months?

Edit hours later: I notice you've stopped replying within minutes. Maybe you've remembered that you could literally do nothing on an iPhone v1.0 that you couldn't do on a nokia that cost 1/10th the price (or free), except visual voicemail or try to load completely broken desktop-only websites.

The iPhone v1.0 WAS revolutionary. But its effects were not seen for a LONG time. It's usefulness 4mo out of the gate was WAAAAAAAAY less than AVP v1.0's is today.

iPhone v1.0 was a useless tech-demo. And it was revolutionary. But it required imagination to see the revolutionary effects 4mo out of the gate. iPhone v1.0 was never all that good a device, but it was a brilliant first release.

AVP v1.0 is a slightly less useless tech-demo. And it is revolutionary. But it requires imagination to see the revolutionary effects 4mo out of the gate. AVP v1.0 may never be all that good a device, but that doesn't mean it isn't a brilliant first release.

 

[MilaM]

How was it revolutionary? What did you do with it the first few months?

I think it's completely fair to make a judgement about the AVP as it is today. It's clear, that Apple has put years and years of development effort (likely worth billions of dollars) into this product. It's not going to change much from hear on. Yes, it will likely get lighter, maybe cheaper, but the fundamental proposition is there.

 

[MrTemple]

I think it's completely fair to make a judgement about the AVP as it is today. It's clear, that Apple has put years and years of development effort (likely worth billions of dollars) into this product. It's not going to change much from hear on. Yes, it will likely get lighter, maybe cheaper, but the fundamental proposition is there.

You said the quiet part of these terrible, terrible AVP takes out loud. 🤦‍♂️

But you said it so perfectly and so surely, that I'm not 100% you weren't being completely sarcastic and making fun of people who honestly believe that.

 

[MilaM]

You said the quiet part of these terrible, terrible AVP takes out loud. 🤦‍♂️

But you said it so perfectly and so surely, that I'm not 100% you weren't being completely sarcastic and making fun of people who honestly believe that.

So what's your point? Am I not allowed to look at the product that is on the shelf in a store today and say, that it is not for me?

 

[MrTemple]

So what's your point? Am I not allowed to look at the product that is on the shelf in a store today and say, that it is not for me?

Absolutely you can!

But saying, "It's not going to change much from hear on." is just 💯 ludicrous. Just an absurdly bad take.

Not the least reason being that the iPhone v1.0 was WAAAAAAY less useful compared to the devices it was replacing, which cost a fraction its price (or often completely free). And the expeirience using it took years to mature into a device that literally changed the entire tech industry (I'd argue MORE than the advent of consumer internetting 10y before it.)

Most of these terrible takes on the AVP based on it's current v1.0 functionality (4mo after release) seem to indicate what you said out loud, that the experience of using the AVP is pretty much not going to change. And that's just a silly basis on which to predict the AVPs future. Becasue it's so obviously wrong.

 

[topper24hrs]

Alright… but impress me by adding haptics to that! 😂

 

[paradox00]

Alright… but impress me by adding haptics to that! 😂

I've suggested rings for haptics before (and as a control wheel). Games like Beat Saber never would have succeeded if they launched on a VP without haptics instead of the Quest/PCVR imo.

 

[Kierkegaarden]

Yeah with something this half-baked and spooky, it's better to just do an audio call. All of Apple's personas look like cadavers even when they're talking.

You obviously don’t have a Vision Pro — the Persona is amazing — it really elevates the video calling experience. I’m blown away at how accurate it is.

 

[svish]

Good to see that it is improving.

 

[The Game 161]

Absolutely you can!

But saying, "It's not going to change much from hear on." is just 💯 ludicrous. Just an absurdly bad take.

Not the least reason being that the iPhone v1.0 was WAAAAAAY less useful compared to the devices it was replacing, which cost a fraction its price (or often completely free). And the expeirience using it took years to mature into a device that literally changed the entire tech industry (I'd argue MORE than the advent of consumer internetting 10y before it.)

Most of these terrible takes on the AVP based on it's current v1.0 functionality (4mo after release) seem to indicate what you said out loud, that the experience of using the AVP is pretty much not going to change. And that's just a silly basis on which to predict the AVPs future. Becasue it's so obviously wrong.

It’s only going to improve and go from strength to strength

This kind of tech I firmly believe will be in glasses form but for now it’s a show of what’s to come

Granted this isn’t for most people right now but from a tech point of view it’s needed to push forward

 

[wikiverse]

It’s only going to improve and go from strength to strength

This kind of tech I firmly believe will be in glasses form but for now it’s a show of what’s to come

Granted this isn’t for most people right now but from a tech point of view it’s needed to push forward

Glasses will always be less convenient than just putting a screen on the device that you're wanting to use. Any tech product from any company that isn't more convenient and more useful than the alternatives will fail.

The point of wearables is that they're portable devices. But most people don't want or need a computer monitor attached to their face when they're away from their computer. If they're at their computer, they can just use a regular monitor.

 

[brofkand]

You obviously don’t have a Vision Pro — the Persona is amazing — it really elevates the video calling experience. I’m blown away at how accurate it is.

All of the videos I've seen of the personas look like animated cadavers, nowhere near as realistic as the example posted here of Meta's 3D models. I experienced one first hand in a zoom meeting a few weeks ago. But yes, I've never actually worn a Vision Pro. One of these days I'll book an appointment at the Apple Store and try it.

 

[The Game 161]

Glasses will always be less convenient than just putting a screen on the device that you're wanting to use. Any tech product from any company that isn't more convenient and more useful than the alternatives will fail.

The point of wearables is that they're portable devices. But most people don't want or need a computer monitor attached to their face when they're away from their computer. If they're at their computer, they can just use a regular monitor.

I really don’t think that will be the case going forward. Instead of picking up a phone people will just use glasses for most things

 

[GrayFlannel]

I'm just going to point out how this story is the EXACT same way the smartphone/app universe started with the FAR-less-whelming iPhone v1.0 came out.

Apple to durian comparison. The original iPhone was hugely popular and an instant success.

 

[brofkand]

Apple to durian comparison. The original iPhone was hugely popular and an instant success.

Is that why Apple cut the price by $200 just a month or two after it launched?

The original iPhone was revolutionary, that is for sure. But it also wasn't a slam dunk success. A lot of folks bought it at launch but sales slowed dramatically after that, because of the device's limitations. No MMS, no cut/copy/paste, no native app support, slow networking, etc. Apple cut the price and fixed a lot of the original iPhone's limitations the following year with the 3G as you probably know.

 

[wikiverse]

I really don’t think that will be the case going forward. Instead of picking up a phone people will just use glasses for most things

How are they charging the glasses? What are they going to use while the glasses are charging? How are people going to type on their glasses? How are you going to reduce eye-strain from eye convergence vs. focal distance? Do you expect people that wear glasses to take them off every time they want to do 'most things' on a computer?

People wouldn't even wear glasses to watch 3DTVs. If it's less convenient, it will fail. Human behaviour is simple to predict in that convenience trumps quality and price. Glasses will always be less convenient than building a screen into a device, and you'll always need a back-up device for when glasses are charging, so they just become another thing to lug around, and charge.

 

[The Game 161]

How are they charging the glasses? What are they going to use while the glasses are charging? How are people going to type on their glasses? How are you going to reduce eye-strain from eye convergence vs. focal distance? Do you expect people that wear glasses to take them off every time they want to do 'most things' on a computer?

People wouldn't even wear glasses to watch 3DTVs. If it's less convenient, it will fail. Human behaviour is simple to predict in that convenience trumps quality and price. Glasses will always be less convenient than building a screen into a device, and you'll always need a back-up device for when glasses are charging, so they just become another thing to lug around, and charge.

They will just use it like they do with the iPhones. They may not replace everything but could certainly do a lot of tasks with glasses. More than a phone would offer. They would charge it like they do now with phones.

This is a 10 year project no doubt not anytime soon

 

[ginkobiloba]

Now if only I knew anyone, no matter what age group, that has the means or interests to get an AVP.

I definitely have the interest, i just don’t have the means 😩
I have a Quest 2 , And i’m blown away already just by what i saw on the articles . Add to that that it is spyware-free unlike the Quest 2 and 3 …

 

[Kierkegaarden]

All of the videos I've seen of the personas look like animated cadavers, nowhere near as realistic as the example posted here of Meta's 3D models. I experienced one first hand in a zoom meeting a few weeks ago. But yes, I've never actually worn a Vision Pro. One of these days I'll book an appointment at the Apple Store and try it.

Meta is so far behind what Apple has it’s a joke. The new avatar version that Meta has showcased is a concept — definitely not happening on device, and I doubt will ever happen.

Recording the Persona can be tricky — will probably involve multiple attempts, so hopefully Apple makes it easier to record in the future (like with the iPhone). But once I nailed mine, it has become one of my favorite features.

 

[GrayFlannel]

But it also wasn't a slam dunk success.

With 250k units sold in the first couple days and 1m units in < 90 days. ATT activated about 200k iPhone in the first weekend. Nope not a slam dunk success at all and VP is mirroring that abysmal debut.

 

[turbineseaplane]

With seemingly every announcement around AVP, I get even less interested.

Such a bizarre distraction for Apple to be spending time on

 

[Kevin2055]

First introduced in April, spatial Personas in Apple Vision Pro are designed to feel as if they are in the same physical space, and to enhance the experience, the lifelike avatars will soon be able to interact directly with each other using some new gestures in visionOS 2.

Previewed at WWDC last year, spatial Personas allow Vision Pro users to "break out of the familiar FaceTime tile and feel more present, like they are gathered in the same physical space," according to Apple. They feature a transparent background and are able to show body language and additional movement such as hand gestures for a more lifelike experience.

As shared by indie developer xChester on social media, spatial Personas in the same Environment can now high five, fist bump and touch fingers, and the visionOS 2 beta provides visual and audio feedback to highlight the virtual interaction.

Elsewhere in visionOS 2, spatial Personas can be invoked in the Photos app via SharePlay, allowing Vision Pro users to enjoy their panoramas, spatial videos, and more — all while feeling like everyone is in the same physical space.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1800912216843321553

visionOS 2 is also giving developers more control over spatial Personas that will allow them to fine-tune the placement of Personas in their app, enabling new shared experiences in games, for example.

Apple also released visionOS‌ 1.2 earlier this week, and the update adds Persona improvements such as improved hair and makeup appearance, as well as better rendering for Eyesight.

Article Link: visionOS 2: Spatial Personas Can Touch Fingers, High Five, Fist Bump Each Other With Visual and Audio Feedback

Now the ghosts can reach out their hands😱

 

[currentinterest]

I cannot envision not having an AVP. I use mine everyday, typically 4-8 hours. It has radically improved my productivity. It took awhile to really understand how to use it for the work I do, but once one understands the spatial elements, how to integrate AVP and MacBook Pro apps for example, it is a game changer. And, as has been mentioned, is only going to get better. I attend many Zoom meetings using the AVP, it is a far better experience than on a computer display, and no one has minded that I appear as a persona (which looks very much like me), with some not realizing that it is a persona and not some Zoom image feature.